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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  George1 on Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:06 pm

    Five Ships of the Chinese Navy You Really Ought to Know About

    The Chinese navy isn’t just an aircraft carrier and submarines—here are five other warships you’ll be seeing a lot of
    PLAN warships.

    The Chinese navy has undergone an unprecedented buildup over the last decade. It has deployed an aircraft carrier, launched and recovered airplanes from a carrier flight deck, sent new nuclear submarines to sea and even changed its name from the unwieldy “People’s Liberation Army Navy” to simply, well, the “Chinese navy.”

    The refurbished carrier Lioaning and the new submarines garner the most attention, but the Chinese navy—now arguably the world’s second most powerful after the U.S. Navy—has made equally important advances with other types of warships. New destroyers, corvettes, troop carriers, hospital ships and even spy ships round out a big and versatile fleet.

    Type 056 corvette



    During the Cold War, Nikita Krushchev famously bragged that nuclear missiles were rolling off Soviet assembly lines “like sausages.” China may be restrained in producing nuclear missiles, but it sure is making Type 056 corvettes like sausages, with at least 20 under construction since 2012.

    The Type 056s are classified in the West as corvettes—small ships useful for patrolling territorial waters and Exclusive Economic Zones. If China decides to start sending non-Coast Guard ships into the disputed Senkaku Islands area, the Type 056s will likely be the first ships sent in.

    The Type 056s have a good mix of self-defense weapons, plus powerful anti-ship and anti-submarine capabilities. The ships mount a 76-millimeter main gun up front for blasting ships and aircraft plus two 30-millimeter rapid-fire guns.

    For missile defense, the Type 056s are equipped with a FL-3000N Flying Leopard missile system similar to the American Rolling Airframe Missile. Each launcher includes eight Flying Leopards.

    Each Type 056 packs a formidable offensive punch in the form of four YJ-83 Eagle Strike anti-ship missiles. These munitions can attack targets more than 124 miles away with a 350-pound high explosive warhead. In the terminal phase, moments before impacting the target, the missile flies 15 feet above the wavetops at twice the speed of sound, making it difficult for defenders to shoot it down.

    Capable of hunting submarines, the Type 056s are fitted with a helipad and hangar for one Z-9 helicopter plus six anti-submarine torpedoes mounted on the deck.

    Type 052D destroyer



    The Type 052D series of destroyers resembles the U.S. Arleigh Burke-class both externally and in mission. Like the Burkes, the 052Ds have distinctive large, flat-faced radars just under the bridge—and are designed to provide air defense to naval battle groups, particularly carrier battle groups. Beijing has built four Type 052Ds, so far.

    The Type 052Ds are equipped two banks of 32 missile silos each, located for and aft. These primarily carry HQ-9 Red Banner air-defense missiles but some analysts, including author Eric Wertheim of Combat Ships of the World, speculate the silos could also pack land-attack cruise missiles similar to the American Tomahawk.

    The HQ-9 is a derivative of the Russian S-300, similar to the American Patriot missile. With a range of 124 miles, it intercepts its target at speeds of up to Mach 4. The HQ-9 is capable of hitting low-flying aircraft and missiles all the way up to some ballistic missiles. The Red Banner packs an unusually heavy warhead of 400 pounds.

    Other than the Red Banner missiles, ship armament consists of eight Eagle Strike missiles, one 100-millimeter dual-purpose gun, two close-in weapon systems and six anti-submarine torpedoes.

    The new destroyers have a helipad and hangar to accommodate one medium-sized helicopter.

    Type 071 amphibious landing dock



    Analysts used to deride Chinese plans to invade Taiwan as “the million-man swim,” due to the Chinese navy’s lack of amphibious lift. But lately China has been building a flotilla of amphibious ships, the backbone of which is the new Type 071 amphibious transport dock.

    The Hudong-Zhonghua Shipyard of Shanghai has completed three Type 071s, with another three apparently planned.

    The Type 071 class can carry up to a battalion of marine infantry, roughly 400 to 800 troops, and has two vehicle decks capable of storing up to 18 armored vehicles. The dock ships can get troops and vehicles to shore by helicopter and landing craft. They have a flight deck capable of simultaneously operating two Z-8 troop-carrying helicopters, and can store another four in a large hangar.

    The ships also have a very large well deck—think of it as a hangar for landing craft that can be flooded with seawater—that can store and launch amphibious vehicles, rigid hulled inflatable boats and four transport hovercraft similar to the American LCAC.

    The ships each have limited self-defense protection in the form of a single 76-millimeter gun and four 30-millimeter close-in weapon systems. As defenses go, that’s not much, and the Type 071s will rely on other ships in a naval battlegroup to defend them.

    Appropriately, the new dock ships based with China’s South Seas Fleet, where they can threaten Taiwan. They have also been sent to the Horn of Africa to serve in China’s anti-piracy force.

    ‘Dongdiao’-class missile surveillance and intelligence ship



    The two ships of the Dongdiao class are easily recognizable by their three spherical radar domes, making them look like they are hauling giant soccer balls.

    Built by the Quixin Shipyards of Shanghai, the Dongdiao ships are designed to observe missile tests at sea. The spherical domes cover a variety of sensors, particularly tracking radars and optical tracking systems. The ships also feature recovery cranes for scooping up spent missiles from the ocean.

    The Dongdiaos have been described as “spy ships,” due to their secondary role observing naval activities of other nations. The class is what is known as an ELINT, or electronic intelligence, collection platform. The ships feature a variety of antennas for sucking in electronic signals from the air. The signals can then be returned to China for analysis.

    The lead ship in class was last seen around Hawaii during the 2012 multinational Rim of the Pacific war game, where it was likely observing the exercise and collecting intelligence. Last fall, a rumor originating in the Hong Kong press announced that one of the ships had returned to the Hawaiian coast, but the rumor proved false.

    Armament on the Dongdiao class is minor, amounting to a single manually-operated 37-millimeter cannon, two dual 25-millimeter cannons and a triple anti-submarine torpedo mount.

    Type 920 hospital ship



    The single Type 920 is a second-generation hospital ship built for China by the Guangzhou Shipyards. Launched in 2007, the ship has a crew of 200 and can carry an additional 400 medical personnel. The ship’s wartime name is Daishandao and in peacetime is known as Peace Ark.

    Like the hospital ships of the American Mercy class, the Peace Ark is a full-fledged floating hospital with eight operating rooms, 20 intensive care units and the ability to conduct 40 major surgeries per day. The ship has a helicopter landing pad and six small boats to ferry patients, supplies and personnel between the ship and shore.

    Foreign analysts originally suspected Peace Ark was meant to support an invasion of Taiwan. Regardless, the hospital vessel has sailed on numerous “soft power” humanitarian missions, showing Chinese goodwill by providing free medical services in poor countries around the world.

    The ship traveled to Africa, the Indian Ocean and South Asia in 2010, rendering medical treatment in Djibouti, Tanzania, Kenya, the Seychelles and Bangladesh. Peace Ark sailed on a similar mission to the Caribbean and Central America in 2011.

    Last month, the Chinese government was heavily criticized for not sending Peace Ark to The Philippines in the aftermath of Typhoon Haiyan. The government later relented and the ship belatedly deployed to provide medical care to typhoon survivors.


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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  George1 on Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:38 am

    According to Chinese sources, in China in the past month since the beginning of September to early October 2016 there were launched four corvettes (small frigate) of Project 056A.



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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  George1 on Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:12 pm

    Modernized Chinese NITKA with catapults

    Complete the modernization of the Chinese ground test and training complex of naval aviation at the airport Huanditsun (Huangdicun), which is located on the shores of Bohai Bay in Liaoning Province. Initially, in 2013 there were only blocks from the ski jumps and arresting gear, which trained pilots for the first aircraft carrier "Liaoning". But now there is established a new catapult, two ejection paths are slightly different from each other. There are suggestions that there may have set both the steam and the mass driver, as the differences between them were clearly visible, and during the construction phase.

    There are also rumors that have already taken the first successful test of a new modification J-15 carrier-based fighter with this ground complex using the electromagnetic catapult.

    And indeed, judging by last October's satellite images, there can be seen October 17 J-15, standing next to one of the two ejection paths.









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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  George1 on Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:38 pm

    Tests of the new anti-missile system for Chinese corvettes Project 056A









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    Post  George1 on Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:01 am

    The first launch of YJ-83K anti-ship missile with a Chinese based fighter J-15



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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 26, 2016 2:25 pm

    China's Liaoning Carrier Group Conducts Military Tests in Yellow Sea

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201612251048967048-china-aircraft-carrier-test/


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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:37 pm

    Chinese aircraft carrier battle group in the Pacific Ocean

    The aircraft carrier "Liaoning"

    The destroyer type 052C "Zhengzhou"
    The destroyer type 052C "Haikou"
    The destroyer type 052D "Changsha"
    The frigate Project 054 "Yantai"
    The frigate Project 054 "Linyi"
    Corvette type 056 "Zhuzhou"
    Comprehensive supply ship 903A project



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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:24 am

    George1 wrote:

    Yeah... this where it seems PLAN has now surpassed RuN in carrier ops. I am noticing more planes and much more activity on the deck than what we've seen on the Kuz all these decades. Their plan on working cats wins the cake. Also... no smoky engines.
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:30 am

    Yeah... this where it seems PLAN has now surpassed RuN in carrier ops. I am noticing more planes and much more activity on the deck than what we've seen on the Kuz all these decades. Their plan on working cats wins the cake. Also... no smoky engines.

    Hahahaha... of course... all you need are cats and you are superior to Russia in naval technology...

    Right.

    That way they can take off with 20 tons of dumb bombs and go B-52 style on their targets... it will only take 1,000 bombers 1,000 attacks each to hit a factory just like the USAF did in good old WWII... because the future is how many bombs you can carry and has nothing to do with finding targets or actually hitting them... Rolling Eyes


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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:28 am

    GarryB wrote:Hahahaha... of course... all you need are cats and you are superior to Russia in naval technology...

    Right.

    That way they can take off with 20 tons of dumb bombs and go B-52 style on their targets... it will only take 1,000 bombers 1,000 attacks each to hit a factory just like the USAF did in good old WWII... because the future is how many bombs you can carry and has nothing to do with finding targets or actually hitting them...  Rolling Eyes

    Cats are natural evolution to any aspiring Navy's carrier doctrine. Soviets were on the same page.
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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:55 am

    Bullshit.

    That is like saying you don't have an air force if you don't have hundreds of inflight refuelling aircraft.

    Having inflight refuelling aircraft can be very useful for a lot of airforces... but a total waste of a lot of valuable resources, people, and money for other air forces.

    Suggesting all Navies need carriers let alone catapults on those carriers is just ignorant.

    For every technology there are capabilities, costs and limitations.

    For many navies a carrier does not make sense let alone needing to develop an expensive catapult system, so no, it does not represent any natural part of the evolution of a Navy.

    For the Russian navy a catapult system might come in useful on a few rare occasions, but for most missions it would be dead weight... very expensive dead weight at that.

    Add the cost of developing a new AEW aircraft and their might be some value, but I rather doubt it... especially when the future aircraft platforms being used will be the MiG-29KR and a variation of the PAK FA which are not heavy bombers.

    They have plenty of conventionally armed supersonic anti ships missiles which will now get land attack capability... which makes them rather more capable than any version of the F-35 or Rafale which would only operate at supersonic speeds for very short periods of flight... Supersonic at low altitude and in the near future hypersonic weapons will have rather better interdiction performance than manned aircraft without the risk to man power.

    AEW would be better provided with satellites and large UAVs.

    Might come as a shock but it would be rather cheaper and those same assets can cover land as well as sea... making them even more useful than carrier based AEW aircraft.


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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:39 am

    GarryB wrote:Bullshit

    AEW&C with sufficiently long loiter time is the epitome of a modern Navy. It's a necessity given extreme threat environments. Moreover payload issues are becoming irrelevant with cats. It's very fundamental really, advanced carrier designs where the aircraft utilized are not STOVL (read F-35B), absolutely need cats.

    And I'm sure you would agree that the Chinese are a step ahead concerning the use of Kuz's sister ship.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 07, 2017 10:01 am

    AEW&C with sufficiently long loiter time is the epitome of a modern Navy. It's a necessity given extreme threat environments. Moreover payload issues are becoming irrelevant with cats. It's very fundamental really, advanced carrier designs where the aircraft utilized are not STOVL (read F-35B), absolutely need cats.

    AEW&C is critical but in this day an age the Russians have a satellite network and of course the Ka-31 AEW aircraft that can offer such capabilities without the bulk and weight and expensive of a catapult system.

    The Ka-31 might only have a patrol duration of 2.5 hours, but it can operate from small ships as well so you could have them land on ships well away from the carrier to refuel and continue looking for threats and targets...

    Longer term an airship operating at over 30km altitude would be rather more desirable than any ship based aircraft for the role.

    And I'm sure you would agree that the Chinese are a step ahead concerning the use of Kuz's sister ship.

    Would you say India was a step ahead of Russia when it had Su-30MKIs in service before the Russians had the Su-35 in service?

    Really?

    I guess you will think the British F-35 will be more sophisticated than the American F-35 when the British incorporate Brimstone on their aircraft and the Americans don't.

    I guess it is just a single feature added to a technology makes a country a "step ahead".

    What AEW aircraft do the Chinese deploy on their new ship?


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    Re: PLA Navy and Naval Air Force

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Jan 07, 2017 10:38 am

    GarryB wrote:Would you say India was a step ahead of Russia when it had Su-30MKIs in service before the Russians had the Su-35 in service?

    Really?

    I guess you will think the British F-35 will be more sophisticated than the American F-35 when the British incorporate Brimstone on their aircraft and the Americans don't.

    I guess it is just a single feature added to a technology makes a country a "step ahead".

    What AEW aircraft do the Chinese deploy on their new ship?

    You're missing the point completely. Cats are a step ahead due to simple physics really.
    There's no comparison to India's fighter program or the Brimstone.

    PLAN is just slowly getting better by the day in the whole carrier business, compared to RuN being stuck with old tech. They've demonstrated it and there's nothing wrong with appreciating reality.
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    Post  George1 on Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:33 pm

    The Chinese Navy has launched construction of its new generation amphibious assault ship, the 075 Landing Helicopter Dock, the South China Morning Post reported.

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201704081052443562-china-amphibious-assault-ship/


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    Post  GarryB on Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:11 am

    You're missing the point completely. Cats are a step ahead due to simple physics really.
    There's no comparison to India's fighter program or the Brimstone.

    No you are missing the point.

    A catapult in itself is useless.

    The capacity it provides is the ability to launch aircraft with heavy loads and also to allow much heavier aircraft to operate from the limited deck size of a carrier at sea.

    If you think hauling tons of bombs is a step ahead then you are an idiot... when was the last time you saw an F-16 get airborne operationally with 7 tons of weapons?

    Planes don't operate at max capacity because it greatly limits speed and flight performance and carrying lots of bombs is no real advantage because real combat is not some stupid video game where you fly around hitting dozens of enemy targets.

    The only value for the chinese with cat systems would be the ability to operate a heavy AWACS aircraft... and do they have one?

    If they don't then the Russian Navy with its land based AEW aircraft and Ka-31 naval AEW aircraft are still a step ahead.

    Do you think China will have a carrier in the Med or off the coast of Africa any time soon?

    Surely if they are ahead of the Russian Navy they would...

    The facts are that the vast majority of weapons and systems the Chinese have on these new vessels are poor copies or developments of Russian and Soviet weapons and systems... are you sure they are a step ahead?


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    Post  George1 on Wed May 03, 2017 7:37 am

    The first Chinese nuclear submarine became a museum

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    Post  George1 on Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:15 pm

    In Shanghai, the fifth landing helicopter-dock of Project 071 was launched.



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    Post  George1 on Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:09 pm

    Evaluation of the cost of new ships of the Chinese fleet

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    Launch of the Chinese Yu-8 anti-submarine rocket from the frigate project 054A "Xiangtan"





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    Post  George1 on Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:16 pm

    Henriksodermanaa wrote:The People's Liberation Army Air Force operates a large and varied fleet of some 3,010+ aircraft, of which around 2,100 are combat aircraft (fighter, attack and bombers).[2]Wikipedia

    I guess that PLA got more aircrafts, like around 2400 fighter, attack and bombers and many more transport aircrafts and varied fleet of other aircrafts. Is Chengdu J-7 or Chengdu J-10 the most common aircraft in the air force? What do the air force usely do with the Chengdu module? Is it a common weapon in the air force? Speed, accuracy, weight or skills in the air? Anywone here know? Can it be compared to for example Jas 39 Gripen in the Swedish army? sniper




    The map shows the organization of the air force in the PLA and also shows the order of battle by the air force in the PLA. Their are five order of battle, central theather command, western, southern, eastern and northern. To mention here is that the aircraft Shenyang J-11, is a usely common aircraft in the airforce. However, their are for example 33 districts of battle and their are approxiamtely less than 100 aircrafts in each battle, so maybe the air force got like more than 3000 aircrafts? What usely the air force of PLA do with it's many aircrafts and in their military territory? I guess that the PLA can do clean any area in the nearby world with their aircrafts or they can destroy any enemy in the air? Does anywone here know about their missions in order to defend themselves in their military territory, China and their air force? How can they defend themselves for a military attack in one district for example? How do they usually organize themselves for a military attack or defensive, in their different districts? How does them train the aircrafts in the differents districs of the country?

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