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    Putin bans Christians sharing faith

    Post  andalusia on Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:46 pm

    I heard my pastor a couple of weeks ago said Putin banned Christians from sharing their faith in Russia.  Why would Putin do this?

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2016/june/no-evangelizing-outside-of-church-russia-proposes.html

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    Re: Putin bans Christians sharing faith

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:20 am

    Most likely it is an anti-sect law. Russia is suspicious of non-Orthodox denominations, but mainly Evangelical ones. Restrictions against these denominations started much before Putin, during Yeltsin's government.

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    Re: Putin bans Christians sharing faith

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:49 am

    Russia is an eastern orthodoxy nation where even Putin visits Church regularly. The issue is various sects like JW's which are frowned upon. It is illegal to also take pictures inside a church or mosque or any religious site. It is also illegal to actually cause any forms of sacrilege towards the Church in Russia. Many other sects like Catholicism is against Orthodoxy and likes to bad mouth him. Predominantly through Poland.

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    Re: Putin bans Christians sharing faith

    Post  kvs on Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:10 am

    They are suspicious of US Trojan horse evangelical outfits. There is no ban on Roman Catholics.

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    Re: Putin bans Christians sharing faith

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:56 am

    sepheronx wrote:Many other sects like Catholicism is against Orthodoxy and likes to bad mouth him.  Predominantly through Poland.
    Don't take some Polish freaks for the entire Catholic people. The great majority is sympathetic towards Orthodoxy. And not all Poles are russophobes, for example John Paul II wasn't (though for obvious reason he was strongly anti-Communist, but that is another thing completely different).


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    Re: Putin bans Christians sharing faith

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:57 am

    It's anti-cult law.

    Update your pastor on MSM nonsense that get aired.

    I assume he just read the article and bought it hook, line and sinker.

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    Re: Putin bans Christians sharing faith

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:09 am

    Svyatoslavich wrote:Most likely it is an anti-sect law. Russia is suspicious of non-Orthodox denominations, but mainly Evangelical ones. Restrictions against these denominations started much before Putin, during Yeltsin's government.

    Well here in America, the Evangelical mega churches are nothing more than tax-free money making scams at the top, while Evangelicals near the bottom of the totem are constantly intertwined in gay prostitution rings, underage call boy rings, child pornography rings...there's scandals such as this that are routinely uncovered just about every 6 months for the past 15 years. A decade ago those scandals would make national news, but now they're buried on the 5th or 6th page of the local newspaper.

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    Re: Putin bans Christians sharing faith

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:16 am

    Svyatoslavich wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Many other sects like Catholicism is against Orthodoxy and likes to bad mouth him.  Predominantly through Poland.
    Don't take some Polish freaks for the entire Catholic people. The great majority is sympathetic towards Orthodoxy. And not all Poles are russophobes, for example John Paul II wasn't (though for obvious reason he was strongly anti-Communist, but that is another thing completely different).

    Sorry, but the Vatican has to answer for it's widespread pedophilia. Your boy John Paul II was exposed for protecting widespread child molestation networks...While the Vatican is molesting children, Orthodox/Coptic practitioners are fighting off the Wahabbist/Salafist extremist hordes that threaten to invade Europe.

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    Re: Putin bans Christians sharing faith

    Post  Khepesh on Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:57 am

    So, a Russophobic American religious site uses as their "evidence" a Russophobic anti Russian propaganda site, Forum18, who as "evidence" quote their own articles. Probably not polite to notice people eating each others shit.....

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    Re: Putin bans Christians sharing faith

    Post  andalusia on Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:48 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:It's anti-cult law.

    Update your pastor on MSM nonsense that get aired.

    I assume he just read the article and bought it hook, line and sinker.

    Explain what is the anti-cult law? Why have such a law? Can a person share the Gospel of Christ on the street without a permit like here in America?

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    Re: Putin bans Christians sharing faith

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:15 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote: Sorry, but the Vatican has to answer for it's widespread pedophilia. Your boy John Paul II was exposed for protecting widespread child molestation networks...While the Vatican is molesting children, Orthodox/Coptic practitioners are fighting off the Wahabbist/Salafist extremist hordes that threaten to invade Europe.
    Agreed with your first sentence. Partially agree with the second. There is a terrible problem of paedophilia, but the causes are not what the mass media say: it was caused exactly by the opening of the Church and allowance of homosexual people into seminaries since Vatican II. The Orthodox, as they didn't have their "springtime of the Church", also avoided this problem. Good for them, we should have done exactly the same.

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    Re: Putin bans Christians sharing faith

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:09 am

    andalusia wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:It's anti-cult law.

    Update your pastor on MSM nonsense that get aired.

    I assume he just read the article and bought it hook, line and sinker.

    Explain what is the anti-cult law? Why have such a law? Can a person share the Gospel of Christ on the street without a permit like here in America?

    Gospel of Christ is already shared far and wide across Russia. It's been shared for nearly millennia now. And has taken root firmly.

    Why waste time converting people who are already converted? Plenty of places on this planet where it's still not done so why not go there?


    Also rest of you guys: can we leave intra-christian holy war for some other time?

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    Re: Putin bans Christians sharing faith

    Post  zorobabel on Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:53 am

    I think one of the primary reasons given was also that it was meant to stop radical strains of Islam from spreading.

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    Re: Putin bans Christians sharing faith

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:03 am

    There has been plenty of problems of JW's, Scientologists, Islamists, etc all preaching and trying to convert people. The simple fact that they banned that is great. Let people decide. Russia is predominantly Orthodoxy, so leave that be.

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    Re: Putin bans Christians sharing faith

    Post  auslander on Thu Sep 01, 2016 6:53 pm

    andalusia wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:It's anti-cult law.

    Update your pastor on MSM nonsense that get aired.

    I assume he just read the article and bought it hook, line and sinker.

    Explain what is the anti-cult law? Why have such a law? Can a person share the Gospel of Christ on the street without a permit like here in America?

    This is primarily against NGO's who constantly try to undermine VVP and the Orthodox Church. Religious toleration here is vast and normal, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, whatever, all get along well and live side by side. The evangelicals seem to have a penchant for trying to undermine The State and after years of warnings and evangelicals actively supporting Ukraine events publicly it was decided enough was enough. If you have an official Church, no problem, let those who may be interested come to your Church. If you want to worship in your home with friends and acquaintances, no one cares and no one will kick in your door. Just don't stand at the gates of the local Orthodox Church or Mosque and try to dragoon worshipers to come to your Church. That is considered to be bad form.

    As an aside, the Baptist Church in this berg is still operating and no one has mentioned shutting it down.

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    Re: Putin bans Christians sharing faith

    Post  kvs on Fri Sep 02, 2016 4:41 pm

    auslander wrote:
    andalusia wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:It's anti-cult law.

    Update your pastor on MSM nonsense that get aired.

    I assume he just read the article and bought it hook, line and sinker.

    Explain what is the anti-cult law? Why have such a law? Can a person share the Gospel of Christ on the street without a permit like here in America?

    This is primarily against NGO's who constantly try to undermine VVP and the Orthodox Church. Religious toleration here is vast and normal, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, whatever, all get along well and live side by side. The evangelicals seem to have a penchant for trying to undermine The State and after years of warnings and evangelicals actively supporting Ukraine events publicly it was decided enough was enough. If you have an official Church, no problem, let those who may be interested come to your Church. If you want to worship in your home with friends and acquaintances, no one cares and no one will kick in your door. Just don't stand at the gates of the local Orthodox Church or Mosque and try to dragoon worshipers to come to your Church. That is considered to be bad form.

    As an aside, the Baptist Church in this berg is still operating and no one has mentioned shutting it down.


    Thanks for the report. We need this sort of information offset the hate propaganda generated by the NATO mass media.

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    Re: Putin bans Christians sharing faith

    Post  auslander on Sat Sep 03, 2016 6:51 am

    kvs wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    andalusia wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:It's anti-cult law.

    Update your pastor on MSM nonsense that get aired.

    I assume he just read the article and bought it hook, line and sinker.

    Explain what is the anti-cult law? Why have such a law? Can a person share the Gospel of Christ on the street without a permit like here in America?

    This is primarily against NGO's who constantly try to undermine VVP and the Orthodox Church. Religious toleration here is vast and normal, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, whatever, all get along well and live side by side. The evangelicals seem to have a penchant for trying to undermine The State and after years of warnings and evangelicals actively supporting Ukraine events publicly it was decided enough was enough. If you have an official Church, no problem, let those who may be interested come to your Church. If you want to worship in your home with friends and acquaintances, no one cares and no one will kick in your door. Just don't stand at the gates of the local Orthodox Church or Mosque and try to dragoon worshipers to come to your Church. That is considered to be bad form.

    As an aside, the Baptist Church in this berg is still operating and no one has mentioned shutting it down.


    Thanks for the report.  We need this sort of information offset the hate propaganda generated by the NATO mass media.  

    You are most welcome. I'm just telling the truth.

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