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    AMCXXL

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    Re: Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) bases (Locations, deployments & equipment)

    Post  AMCXXL on Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:28 am

    George1 wrote:The 120th mixed aviation regiment will receive the Su-34 bombers in addition to the Su-30SM fighters

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3311581.html

    Pff… other speculation of the blog "altyn73" ???
    As the next year when said a squadron of Su-34 would go to Shatalovo after Khurba ??? or when he said Millerovo will receive Su-35 after Uglovaya ??
    The regiments will be formed with two squadrons in long term. Mixed regimets with 3 sqadrons should be split to get new regiments.
    The case of Morozovsk was diferent because received the squadron projected for Monchegorsk when 98 SAP was trasfered to North Fleet and this would be provisional.

    For the moment Su-34 is for Chelyabisnk this year and the next, and with that 4º SU34 regiment is completed the replacement of previous existing Su-24 regiments and fulfill the last order of 2012 for 92 Su-34
    So for more Su-34 is necesary a new order and these new airplanes for the 2020

    In adition two mixed regiments Su-24M-Su24MR have been raised on the basis of two recon. squadrons in Marinovka and Shatalovo, so is previsible this two units will be the last ones in replace the Su-24 with Su-34

    The other two recon. squadrons are in Chelyabinsk and Varfolomeyevka (Primorie Krai) and could be used for new mixed regiments Su-24M-SU-24MR, at least one in the Far East that could be attached to the Navy for get a new Army of VVS i PVO in the Pacific that in long term would be replaced by Su-30SM


    The question of the next unit of Su-34 could have relation with the base of Domna, but this is diferent to say 120th will have a definitive mixed composition , just after split the regiment and rebuild the 266th !!!

    Until 10 years ago there were two Su-24 regiments near Domna, in Bada (313th)and Dzhida (2th, transfered to Chelyabinsk) in adition of 266th and 120th.
    In the past there was the 23º Air Army of VVS (Frontal Aviation) in Transbaikal Military District with near a dozen of regiments
    It would be logical to base the next regiment of Su-34 in the Transbaikal area again, better than have a second Su-34 in the Far East without any Su-30SM regiment. This second would have not sense.

    Then, may be reasonable to send Su-34 to Domna that is the only base available in Transbaikalia region in this moment.
    In fact bases like Domna can base a complete division
    Step airbase looks in overhaul.
    https://www.google.com/maps/@51.0194695,115.4334732,947m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en
    So when 266th go to Step, Domna can home other Su-34 regiment without any problem after Chelyabisk (about 2020) and later, relocate the Su-34 regiment to Bada . in the middle of the way betwewn Domna (Chita) and Ulan-Ude, when this other base receive overhaul
    With three regiments (Su-30,Su-34 and Su-25) could be formed a new división of 11th Army VVSiPVO in the Transbaikal área with HQ in Domna-Chita that also have a anti-aircraft regiment as coverage


    About the other nonsenses that say that blog, of course 31th or 14th will not receive Su-34
    31th is close to 559th, in fact are parts of the same división, that already Works togther, and only 10 mimutes flight of distance.
    And 14th also is near 47th (15 min), if west receive more Su-34 will go to Voronezh temporally or Shatalovo when the Su-24 be replaced for Su-34
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    Re: Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) bases (Locations, deployments & equipment)

    Post  franco on Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:37 pm

    I'm not even sure that article says Su-34 going to the 120th... translation issues perhaps?

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    Post  jaguar_br on Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:43 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:
    [url=https://servimg.com/view/19753161/50]


    The old soviet bases are ofen used in maneouvers and deployments, thare are a lot of bases with runways availables
    In the last years, since the rise of Artic Joint Command , RuAF is increasing the fligths and is improving and modernizing the Artic facilities
    The matter is there are few photos of warplanes in these places

    This issue brings me a old question... Since they are cheap and simple to build, why RuAF tends not to deploy aircraft shelters in it bases?

    In recent years RuAF have buying great numbers of new and upgraded fighters/bombers... so would be better for them to the new aircraft be parked protected from sun and bad weather conditions.
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    Post  franco on Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:46 pm

    jaguar_br wrote:
    AMCXXL wrote:
    [url=https://servimg.com/view/19753161/50]


    The old soviet bases are ofen used in maneouvers and deployments, thare are a lot of bases with runways availables
    In the last years, since the rise of Artic Joint Command , RuAF is increasing the fligths and is improving and modernizing the Artic facilities
    The matter is there are few photos of warplanes in these places

    This issue brings me a old question... Since they are cheap and simple to build, why RuAF tends not to deploy aircraft shelters in it bases?

    In recent years RuAF have buying great numbers of new and upgraded fighters/bombers... so would be better for them to the new aircraft be parked protected from sun and bad weather conditions.

    They have been, however the effort in this area has been to upgrade the runways first.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:30 pm

    21st mixed aviation division was formed

    According to the newspaper "Izvestiya" in the material of Roman Kretsul and Alexei Ramma "Dagger" division: the most powerful air connection in the Russian Federation is deployed ", the 21st mixed aviation division was formed in the 14th Army of the Air Force and Air Defense of the Central Military District.

    The main forces included in the newly formed air division are two regiments, whose fleet consists of high-altitude all-weather MiG-31BM interceptor fighters. They are based in Perm and the city of Kansk, Krasnoyarsk Territory. There are no other similar regiments in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - only separate squadrons of the MiG-31BM that are part of other units.

    The third regiment of the 21st division is located in the village of Shagol near Chelyabinsk, its fleet consists of Su-34 multipurpose fighter-bombers.

    Comment bmpd. Thus, with the formation of the 21st mixed aviation division as part of the 14th Smolensk Red Banner Army Air Force and Air Defense of the Central Military District, the transition from the organization system in the form of air bases to the former system of organization in the form of aviation regiments was finally completed and divisions (in other associations of the Air Force / VKS this process, which has been going on since 2013, was completed much earlier). Until very recently, the reconstructed aviation regiments of the 14th Army of the Air Force and Air Defense continued to submit to the 6980th Guards Orsha Red Banner Order of Suvorov air base with control in Shagol (Chelyabinsk), which, as you can see, was eventually reorganized into the 21st division .

    The 21st mixed aviation division with control in Shagol (Chelyabinsk) thus included the 712th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment (Kansk airfield, Krasnoyarsk Territory) and the 764th Fighter Aviation Regiment (Bolshoe Savino airfield, Perm) equipped with modernized fighters interceptors of the MiG-31BM, as well as the 2nd Guards Bomber Aviation Regiment (Shagol airfield, Chelyabinsk), one squadron of which is equipped with new Su-34 front-line bombers, and two other squadrons with Front-line bombers Su-34.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3388577.html
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:41 pm

    That is a rather interesting combination - MiG-31BM's and Su-34's.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:24 am

    This issue brings me a old question... Since they are cheap and simple to build, why RuAF tends not to deploy aircraft shelters in it bases?

    If that amount of snow fell on a cheap and simple to build aircraft shelter it would not only crush the shelter but likely also damage the aircraft when it all came down...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:04 am

    GarryB wrote:
    This issue brings me a old question... Since they are cheap and simple to build, why RuAF tends not to deploy aircraft shelters in it bases?

    If that amount of snow fell on a cheap and simple to build aircraft shelter it would not only crush the shelter but likely also damage the aircraft when it all came down...

    A good compromise could be the idea of using 3D printed concrete structures, may'be throw in some corrosion resistant steel frames. It may not be as sturdy as traditional shelters, but should be dirt-cheap, fast to create as well as cheap, quick and simple to maintain.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:34 am

    But the problem is that with a light structure to cover the aircraft... as the snow builds up it gets heavier and when it is too heavy it collapses the structure so a lot of weight and structure then fall on the aircraft... doing much more damage than just getting buried in snow would cause...

    If you are going to build a shelter it makes sense to have proper heavy construction shelters with concrete and dirt roof structures that protect from all sorts of things and make for a much more comfortable environment around the aircraft for maintenance and storage.

    It will cost a lot more but in an arctic region I suspect pilots and crew will appreciate not having to de ice the plane... ice outside the shelter can be blown clear with one of those trucks with jet engines on the back that they use for decontaminating large objects and also clearing large amounts of snow and ice....


    In places where it does not snow then lighter structures are quick and cheap and easy and make a lot of sense though...

    It may not be as sturdy as traditional shelters, but should be dirt-cheap, fast to create as well as cheap, quick and simple to maintain.

    Sensible design would allow the snow to just fall off and not build up to dangerous weight levels...
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    Post  medo on Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:56 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    This issue brings me a old question... Since they are cheap and simple to build, why RuAF tends not to deploy aircraft shelters in it bases?

    If that amount of snow fell on a cheap and simple to build aircraft shelter it would not only crush the shelter but likely also damage the aircraft when it all came down...

    Not realy. Aircraft shelters could be simply made from iron structure and metal roof plates. Shelter will not crush if the roof is made at high angle, that snow could easily slipping from the roof, but need enough space around shelter for the snow from the roof. You will not make flat roof in such environment.
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    Post  franco on Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:22 pm

    More reorganization of the Air units in the Central Military District;
    The Army Aviation unit at Novosibirsk (Tolmachevo) becomes the 337th Army Aviation Regiment.
    The Army Aviation Unit at Kamensk-Uralsky becomes the (17th) Army Aviation Brigade.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:42 am

    Not realy. Aircraft shelters could be simply made from iron structure and metal roof plates. Shelter will not crush if the roof is made at high angle, that snow could easily slipping from the roof, but need enough space around shelter for the snow from the roof. You will not make flat roof in such environment.

    How do you design an aircraft shelter with a high roof angle?

    The point would be you want more than a dozen side by side, but you want it to be quite deep and joined at the back so you can move from aircraft to aircraft, but you want some serious walls... with a couple of metres of earth thick each to stop a bomb blowing up all your planes by smashing through thin walls.

    You could have a steep roof side to side to have a peak in the centre for tall tail structures, so the sides don't need to be as high I suppose, but you would need to be careful to ensure that every aircraft likely to be stationed there can fit without making them enormous cathedral like structures...
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    Post  medo on Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:43 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Not realy. Aircraft shelters could be simply made from iron structure and metal roof plates. Shelter will not crush if the roof is made at high angle, that snow could easily slipping from the roof, but need enough space around shelter for the snow from the roof. You will not make flat roof in such environment.

    How do you design an aircraft shelter with a high roof angle?

    The point would be you want more than a dozen side by side, but you want it to be quite deep and joined at the back so you can move from aircraft to aircraft, but you want some serious walls... with a couple of metres of earth thick each to stop a bomb blowing up all your planes by smashing through thin walls.

    You could have a steep roof side to side to have a peak in the centre for tall tail structures, so the sides don't need to be as high I suppose, but you would need to be careful to ensure that every aircraft likely to be stationed there can fit without making them enormous cathedral like structures...

    The easiest way is to make a roof, which is in the front side higher than in the back side and all the snow fall from the roof on the back side of shelter. Simple and effective. The rest protection you do with walls and doors.

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