Firebird wrote:Does someone know how effective the S400 and S500 actually is, say vs some F22s trying to attack and destroy them?
How many planes would be needed to saturate one S400 battery?
WHat is the kill probability against 2,4 or whatever F22s.
Its always said that S400 makes an area a "no fly" zone. But is it that simple?
I know both anti aircraft systems are the best in the world and phenonmenal pieces of equipment, but I'd be interested to see how many are needed for specific activities. I mean what is the chance of them being jammed by enemies? How far out could they snuff out F22s etc?
See I am not an expert on S-400. The S300V4 and S-500. They are area domination weapons.That means no U.S aircraft or missile can venture in the air space controlled by S-400.
Well let us S-400 uses some 5 types of tracking radar it even uses EW radar so as to not to expose its own radar .. it can track around 200 very small targets
upto 1000 kms away in all directions.
When US air force realized the true capabilities of S-400 they immediately signed partnershio deal to separate Syrian air space between U.S air force and VKS.
US air force was not afraid of su-30 or su-24 or su25.. what they were really shitting bricks was the lone component of S-400 sitting in hmeimein.It is officially recongnized that S-400 is a total area domination weapon.
There is also other side of this story.Russians were themselves skeptical of exposing S-400 true capabilities to U.S air force.
The US Air force would have conducted almost 100-200 strikes on syrian ground troops had it not been for s-400.
I would suggest S-400 is an no fly zone weapon .. but a catch is there it should not be exposed too much to the enemy.This is the general logic.
Another thing is the missiles .. all the provocations that US air force some how manged .. all those retreating aircraft could have been shot down by s-400. Over Iraq air space over incirlick and also near Romania.
But that would MASSIVELY expose the extreme MACH NUMBERS(may be mach number 10 or evn possibly 2 dozen mach number or even more) of those missiles and how they get their targeting information.
We know that any missile flying over mach number 6 gets enveloped with air plasma(hot plasma). many othr forms of radiations.They are flying blind or sort off. Russia military industry (i dont know precisely the companies) but many companies have solved this problem (7 to 8 years ago).
The moral of the story .. dont expose S-400 and S-500 they have extremely high mach number missiles and long range.The information support to those missiles is also very classified.
That is the reason VKS is is pouring small aircraft and intelligence missions into syria so as to COMPENSATE for the lack of action of S-400.
s-400 /s-500 are weapons for high intensity conflict not for provocation warfare which turkey or may be the US air force is conducting because that will expose too much of S--400 attack systems.
Now yu are yourself seeing that Russia is able to maintain no fly zone over entire syria. This is because of awacsA-50 , IL38N ,TU-160M ground radar and other thermal imaging satellites that it has. It is continuously increasing su-34 , UAV, SU-35 , SU-33 which have very good thermal sights and all around observation capability. This is the way for no fly zone.Maximum airborne assets and do not expose S-400 specs.Thats why what you said was correct .It is not that simple that S-400 is no fly zone weapon.