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    Re: S-300V Army SAM System

    Post  Viktor on Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:47 pm

    It seems new S-300V4 chassis are done and as scheduled Russia will receive brand new 350km range S-300V4 missile system.

    Creep-300V for foreign customers

    In addition it seems that new S-300VM for undisclosed contractor is also done and painted in desert color

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    Re: S-300V Army SAM System

    Post  Austin on Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:55 pm

    The export model S-300V4 ( Antey-2500 ) has range of 350 km , The Russian S-300V4 has range of 400 km

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    Re: S-300V Army SAM System

    Post  Viktor on Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:29 pm

    Austin wrote:The export model S-300V4 ( Antey-2500 ) has range of 350 km , The Russian S-300V4 has range of 400 km

    Where did you read that Austin? (as I read 350km is the furthers range Russian PVO troops are able to achieve)

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    Re: S-300V Army SAM System

    Post  Austin on Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:16 pm

    Viktor wrote:
    Austin wrote:The export model S-300V4 ( Antey-2500 ) has range of 350 km , The Russian S-300V4 has range of 400 km

    Where did you read that Austin? (as I read 350km is the furthers range Russian PVO troops are able to achieve)

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t410p225-s-400-500-news#14600

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    Re: S-300V Army SAM System

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:18 pm

    Austin wrote:
    Viktor wrote:
    Austin wrote:The export model S-300V4 ( Antey-2500 ) has range of 350 km , The Russian S-300V4 has range of 400 km

    Where did you read that Austin? (as I read 350km is the furthers range Russian PVO troops are able to achieve)

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t410p225-s-400-500-news#14600

    How are you finding posts so quick with this awkward search tool?

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    Re: S-300V Army SAM System

    Post  Austin on Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:48 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Austin wrote:
    Viktor wrote:
    Austin wrote:The export model S-300V4 ( Antey-2500 ) has range of 350 km , The Russian S-300V4 has range of 400 km

    Where did you read that Austin? (as I read 350km is the furthers range Russian PVO troops are able to achieve)

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t410p225-s-400-500-news#14600

    How are you finding posts so quick with this awkward search tool?

    Have some luck with Google Wink

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    Re: S-300V Army SAM System

    Post  rambo54 on Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:42 am

    S-300VM is going to Egypt
    http://armstrade.org/includes/periodics/news/2014/0924/123025818/detail.shtml

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    S-300V AD Missile System:

    Post  Anas Ali on Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:43 pm

    Does anyone knows the specs of the 9P82 & 9P83 CW Illuminator specs ??
    i really cant find any info about them regarding range - altitude - power - number of targets - etc..




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    Re: S-300V Army SAM System

    Post  Mike E on Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:28 pm

    Can't say I do... However, I assume that the system is much more reliant upon the separate radar systems, and hence this TELAR-based radar system isn't very crucial.... If you can find the specifications of the *overall system*, than you will know how ell it can perform.... That being said, you might be better off looking for a technical (manufacturer?) page on the TELAR to find out.

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    Re: S-300V Army SAM System

    Post  Anas Ali on Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:35 pm



    i already have every little detail on the system with all the radar and missile but these CW Illuminator are a mystery !
    i cant find any info about them dunno
    so here is my last resort

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    Re: S-300V Army SAM System

    Post  Viktor on Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:02 pm

    I got nothing either nor have I ever even seen any.

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    Re: S-300V Army SAM System

    Post  Mike E on Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:41 pm

    Anas Ali wrote:

    i already have every little detail on the system with all the radar and missile but these CW Illuminator are a mystery !
    i cant find any info about them dunno
    so here is my last resort  
    Now that Viktor has stated his thoughts, I don't think you'l find anything on it... But, like I said, the illuminator isn't as crucial as the more important systems that *are* well-documented.

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    Re: S-300V Army SAM System

    Post  Anas Ali on Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:06 am

    Mike E wrote:
    Anas Ali wrote:

    i already have every little detail on the system with all the radar and missile but these CW Illuminator are a mystery !
    i cant find any info about them dunno
    so here is my last resort  
    Now that Viktor has stated his thoughts, I don't think you'l find anything on it... But, like I said, the illuminator isn't as crucial as the more important systems that *are* well-documented.

    i know it not as important as the big radars but i have this deep curiosity about these illuminators and i wont rest until i found info about them

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    Re: S-300V Army SAM System

    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:17 am

    If Viktor can't help, that leaves Medo, Mindstorm and SOC.

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    Re: S-300V Army SAM System

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:54 am

    Anas Ali wrote:Does anyone knows the specs of the 9P82 & 9P83 CW Illuminator specs ??
    i really cant find any info about them regarding range - altitude - power - number of targets - etc..




    As you know it's different for, let's say, nonexportable variants and Antej-2500.

    But for export-grade S-300V variants, all I have heard is that it has a 10 kW to 12 kW CW illumination power. I think it would be X-band. The antenna looks like twist-polarization, folded aperture. There are two additional horn antennas—purpose unknown to me. I don't think the antenna plays a missile uplink role, for a number of reasons.

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    Re: S-300V Army SAM System

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:55 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:There are two additional horn antennas—purpose unknown to me.


    scratch Oh, now I think the horn antennas may provide the illumination reference signals for the missile variants with semiactive/TVM guidance.

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    Re: S-300V Army SAM System

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:18 am

    The reference signal bit I mentioned is quite "obvious" (?) from the following pictures, especially from the first picture which shows the 9P83.

    The waveguides with the cooling fins are the high-power waveguides that are at least involved in transmitting. It seems that the two high-power waveguides come off a splitter, with one going to the feed for the high-gain dish antenna, to generate the narrow illumination beam, and the other going to a horn to generate a wide reference beam.

    The waveguide without fins should be for communication with the missile. dunno

    There are lots of questions that can be asked, and some more answers that can be given.





    With respect to the number of guidance channels per illuminator, each illuminator should be able to guide multiple missiles of the semiactive/TVM guidance type against one target during the terminal phase of their trajectories.

    With respect to other guidance types and the time-sharing of the illumination beam for multiple targets obvious conclusions can be made.

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    Re: S-300V Army SAM System

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:36 am

    Another calculation result is that for a 2 m diameter illuminator antenna diameter (just eyeballing it), and assuming a frequency of 10 GHz (X-band is between 8 GHz and 12 GHz), the real-beam beamwidth would be around 0.018 rad = 1°.

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    Re: S-300V Army SAM System

    Post  Stealthflanker on Thu Oct 16, 2014 1:09 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

    But for export-grade S-300V variants, all I have heard is that it has a 10 kW to 12 kW CW illumination power. I think it would be X-band. The antenna looks like twist-polarization, folded aperture. There are two additional horn antennas—purpose unknown to me. I don't think the antenna plays a missile uplink role, for a number of reasons.

    Which antenna ? 10-12 Kw seems too high, it might be the average power of the 9S32 Radar, not the illuminator.

    For illuminator i think it's a simple cassegrainian antenna with much lower power perhaps 1-2 Kw at most (as it don't need to detect anything nor countering the fourth root law) For the two waveguide antenna, i think it's yes the "uplink" Antenna to send reference signal and possibly to send mid course for GAI (S-300V use GAI-Ground Aided Inertial, not TVM or SAGG as Patriot or S-300) While other horn antenna is hmm i wonder what for.

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    Re: S-300V Army SAM System

    Post  Anas Ali on Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:49 pm

    its an 100% illuminator and i got new confirmation

    The 9A84 and 9A85 TEL/Transloader vehicles are similar to the 9A82 and 9A83 TELARs, but lack the X-band illuminator antenna employed for missile terminal guidance.  
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    9A83 TELAR in deployed configuration. This image shows the elevating illuminator mast to effect. The design is intended to improve low altitude coverage, which is not a requirement for the longer ranging 9M82 missile
    http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-S-300V-TELAR-TL.html
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    The 9A82 and 9A83 TELARs each include high power CW illuminators for missile guidance and command uplinks, and also provide these guidance functions for the 9A84 and 9A85 TEL/Transloaders, which operate as slave TELs in the battery
    http://militaryrussia.ru/forum/download/file.php?id=15136


    another source cleared some info about the range of the illuminator , apparently it have 108 km range against 10m2 targets and around 72 km against 1m2 target


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    Re: S-300V Army SAM System

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:22 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

    But for export-grade S-300V variants, all I have heard is that it has a 10 kW to 12 kW CW illumination power. I think it would be X-band. The antenna looks like twist-polarization, folded aperture. There are two additional horn antennas—purpose unknown to me. I don't think the antenna plays a missile uplink role, for a number of reasons.

    Which antenna ? 10-12 Kw seems too high, it might be the average power of the 9S32 Radar, not the illuminator.

    For illuminator i think it's a simple cassegrainian antenna with much lower power perhaps 1-2 Kw at most (as it don't need to detect anything nor countering the fourth root law) For the two waveguide antenna, i think it's yes the "uplink" Antenna to send reference signal and possibly to send  mid course for GAI (S-300V use GAI-Ground Aided Inertial, not TVM or SAGG as Patriot or S-300) While other horn antenna is hmm i wonder what for.
    Read my second post.

    Also regarding the TVM, S-300V has many different missile types.

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    Re: S-300V Army SAM System

    Post  Stealthflanker on Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:37 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Read my second post.

    Also regarding the TVM, S-300V has many different missile types.

    I did, pretty much agree with those two feedhorns there. Anyway S-300V only have two kinds of missiles, the 9M82 and 9M83, they shared common seekers so the guidance scheme must be the same.

    Anas Ali wrote:its an 100% illuminator and i got new confirmation

    another source cleared some info about the range of the illuminator , apparently it have 108 km range against 10m2 targets and around 72 km against 1m2 target


    Your source did not talk about range of the illuminator but detection range of the DB-100N Semi-active seeker onboard the 9M82/9M83 missile.


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    Re: S-300V Army SAM System

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:02 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:Anyway S-300V only have two kinds of missiles, the 9M82 and 9M83, ...

    Do you have any evidence for that?

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    Re: S-300V Army SAM System

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:11 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    Anas Ali wrote:its an 100% illuminator and i got new confirmation

    another source cleared some info about the range of the illuminator , apparently it have 108 km range against 10m2 targets and around 72 km against 1m2 target


    Your source did not talk about range of the illuminator but detection range of the DB-100N Semi-active seeker onboard the 9M82/9M83 missile.

    Stealthflanker,

    An illuminator doesn't have a "range"; it is an illuminator plus a semiactive seeker combination that has a "range".


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    Re: S-300V Army SAM System

    Post  Stealthflanker on Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:15 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

    Do you have any evidence for that?

    What ?  Isn't it already obvious.

    The S-300V used by PVO-Army use only two kinds of missile, the 9M83 and 9M82 Now perhaps 9M82M and 9M83M is being fielded but that's it There are only two kinds of missile for S-300V. We are talking about S-300V here NOT S-300P family which have plethora of missiles from 5V55, 48N6 to 9M96 family.

    Or perhaps you can show me what other missile used by S-300V family ?


    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    Stealthflanker,

    An illuminator doesn't have a "range"; it is an illuminator plus a semiactive seeker combination that has a "range".

    Do i mention anywhere about Illuminator range ? I think i clearly wrote range of the DB-100N Seeker there.

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