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    sepheronx
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    HIV/AIDS issue

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:45 pm

    I figured to start a new thread regarding about the aids/hiv issue that plagues Russia. Vice news did a coverage:
    https://news.vice.com/article/russias-aids-epidemic-reaches-crisis-levels

    Of course they quote Vadim Pokrovsky whom is notorious for his claims. He claimed there are now 1 million hiv/aids patients in Russia. Although, I have not actually seen any official numbers. Have any of you? He also claims at least 30-40% are transmitted through heterosexual couples. Issue is, apparently that is nearly impossible:
    http://www.catie.ca/en/pif/summer-2012/putting-number-it-risk-exposure-hiv#footnote4_iw9afqr

    So essentially, he could be flat out lying.

    Some claim this is simply a case to obtain funding since there isn't official data. Plus, Russia is treating 30% of current victims of the disease that is claimed. Also, with new drugs, newborns from aids/hiv parents shown to have no case of the strains with the new drugs.

    What is your guys views on this? Load of bs? Well, since majority who have it are drug addicts, I just do not feel sorry as these people where simply losers and none contributors anyway.

    Just a note: all claims on Russian AIDS and HIV cases all comes to 1 man - Vadim. All news sites quotes him. But we have not received any official data or even other independent data. Just him.

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    Re: HIV/AIDS issue

    Post  whir on Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:34 pm

    Lol, stereotypes and denial only worsens things for everyone.

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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:43 pm

    Vice news is a branch of Fox News. Why use such a "source"?

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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:50 pm

    No one is denying the issue outright, but there is a major lack of backed up data. In other words, all claims (99% so far) are from 1 guy, whom also happens to be a Russian liberal. Usually, if they want to be take. Seriously, they should submit the data. What people in Russia seem to be saying though is that majority of those who contract it are drug addicts. And this isn't pot or coke, but heroine or any other drug taken via a needle. So clearly people are sharing needles. I met my fare share (in British Columbia where most drug addicts here live) and seen majority of these users are far gone to help and do not contribute to society other than in Crime and or abusing our medical care system. Some people end up ok and decent citizens after being "cured".

    As I pointed out, hiv/aids are extremely difficult to obtain via sex than from drug use, so it is predominantly claimed to be BS that it spreads via that way in the extremes that this guy claims. It isn't possible to be caused because the couples are drug addicts as well.

    Many in Russia think best method of dealing with it is conservative teachings, which is correct. Handing out needles and pumping drug addicts with synthetic heroine won't solve the drug issue in the end, it may even increase it.

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    Re: HIV/AIDS issue

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:52 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Vice news is a branch of Fox News. Why use such a "source"?

    Because all other sources use the exact same guy. Just type into Google Russia aids, and they all quo5e same guy. Even Vice. What made vice good for me was the comments section where a couple of users called out the claims of what Vadim claims.

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    Re: HIV/AIDS issue

    Post  Project Canada on Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:15 pm


    Strange, i wonder why there are no "official" data on the number of aids cases in Russia? We cant say the government is ignoring the issue given the number of government funded research for the development of vaccines against aids (from what i read)

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    Re: HIV/AIDS issue

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:39 pm

    There are 3 vaccines currently in circulation in Russia and another one testing with high success (kids born from parents hiv/aids are most likely not to contract it. Success rate is 98%). The issue seems to stem directly from drug abuse. The talk of obtaining it from sex is usually bullshit unless there are obvious open sores on the guy or girl or guy and guy. According to some posters on the vice article there is a shit ton of misinformation regarding about aids, especially in Africa.

    There needs to be another independent research done on this issue in Russia. It isn't a secret there is a drug abuse issue in Russia, so it isn't out of the realm possibility there is a high number of hiv/aids patients. But this is purely due to poor life style/choices. If contracted due to a mishap or due to someone purposely giving it, then they need help and those need to be concentrated on. Currently, over 200,000 people in Russia are undergoing treatment (upwards to 300,000) for aids/hiv. So yes, it isn't being ignored. But many view that due to these other peoples poor life choices, that they shouldn't be helped or cared for. But issue with that, is these very same people can spread it to innocent people. That is the problem.

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    Post  kvs on Fri Aug 05, 2016 5:35 am

    The test for all these ludicrous claims is how realistic are their numbers. They were predicting doom and gloom back around 2000.
    Yet they are still trotting out the same numbers today. That proves the claims are nonsense. If the HIV infection rates were
    so high, they would have afflicted tens of millions in Russia by now.

    When these clowns present an actual case, then maybe they will deserve the time of day. I have not see anything from them.
    For example, they can hold a press conference and tell us that the infection rate was so and so in 2000 and 2005 and that
    they predicted some growth and here we are in 2016 and the growth figures have confirmed their worst fears. Or something similar.
    Nope. We just get opaque hysteria.

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    Post  kvs on Fri Aug 05, 2016 6:01 am

    BTW, go to Google and do a search for "russia official HIV numbers". You will get a spew of the same story from all the usual
    anti-Russian propaganda outfits:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russian-hiv-cases-reach-record-high-of-over-a-million-a6828816.html
    https://news.vice.com/article/russias-aids-epidemic-reaches-crisis-levels
    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/01/hiv-cases-russia-pass-million-mark-160122084138102.html
    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/feb/19/sex-syringes-hiv-epidemic-russia-can-no-longer-ignore
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/01/18/the-forgotten-aids-crisis-in-russia.html
    https://www.stratfor.com/analysis/russias-response-hiv-too-little-too-late
    http://euromaidanpress.com/2016/07/16/putins-health-cuts-have-made-russia-into-epicenter-of-hivaids-epidemic/
    http://www.khodorkovsky.com/the-kremlin-will-have-to-live-with-hiv/
    http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/05/russia-aids-hiv-crisis-419397.html
    http://www.smh.com.au/world/russias-hiv-epidemic-dismissed-as-part-of-western-information-war-20160609-gpfwjt.html

    Looks like an organized propaganda assault to me. But the problem is that Russia has a 5th column outfit doing the official
    number counting!



    This clown is the head of the Federal AIDS Research Center of Russia and a "longtime critic of the Kremlin". Gee. We recently saw
    how WADA used the word of another 5th column clown to smear the whole of Russian sport and to make the claim that Russia
    runs a "state doping program". Well, Vadim Pokrovsky is a similar specimen who is safe and secure in the knowledge that he
    has many millions of dollars and a house waiting for him in the USA if he chooses to denounce "Putin's regime".

    Here is a piece on Pokrovsky's BS:

    http://russia-insider.com/en/russia-still-doesnt-have-aids-apocalypse/ri7379
    (http://www.unz.com/akarlin/russia-still-no-aids-apocalypse/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=russia-still-no-aids-apocalypse)

    In 2015:
    Vadim Pokrovsky, head of the federal Aids centre in Moscow, predicted this month that at least two million Russians are likely to be officially registered as HIV-positive within five years, and a total of three million will have the virus.

    In 2002:
    We’re talking about one-to-two million infected now, and in 2005, we could be talking about five-million being infected, and these are realistic, even conservative figures.

    The same shyster with the same shtick.

    The absurd projections:



    The reality:



    There is no indication of any explosion and the data is actually tracking the equilibrium model where the infection rate
    is 0.5% of the population in the long term. This is based on current conditions in Russia and will likely change for the
    better in the future of heroin use is reduced.

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    Re: HIV/AIDS issue

    Post  George1 on Sat Aug 06, 2016 3:03 am

    what i know for HIV in Russia is that until 1989 there was no patient in the ex-USSR


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