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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:26 am

    eehnie wrote:With the Su-25, the Tu-95 is one of the aircrafts which use in this campaign can be bigger. Its use is very logical.
    As I understand it the Su-25s went home many months ago when the force was reduced in size. So their use atm is nill, which as you say is a pity but the RuAF clearly don't want to lose any against MANPADs and seem to prefer to use helicopters.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  eehnie on Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:55 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    eehnie wrote:With the Su-25, the Tu-95 is one of the aircrafts which use in this campaign can be bigger. Its use is very logical.
    As I understand it the Su-25s went home many months ago when the force was reduced in size. So their use atm is nill, which as you say is a pity but the RuAF clearly don't want to lose any against MANPADs and seem to prefer to use helicopters.

    It is very difficult to see in the future another war with lower use of Manpads.

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:40 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
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    If a plane of the size of the Su-33 can't launch, refuel and strike with at least x4 FAB 500s there's a problem for the Russian Navy.

    You are not getting it.

    The Su-33 is impressive because it is doing with two dumb 500kg bombs what a Hornet needs expensive guided bombs to do.

    It only carries two bombs because it is training and testing... if you want 20 tons of dumb bombs to level a large area then send in the Tu-22M3... if you want 12 tons of bombs on target send the Su-34.

    Plus, as you keep saying Garry, bombing land targets is way down the list of RuN requirements for the K, it is a fleet air defence ship, primarily protecting subs as I understand it. They are doing this for 'fun' so the Navy flyers do not feel left out of the action.

    personally what I think, is i dont care whats bombing the terrorists just as long as the terrorist scum die and the SAA etc make progress at the end of the day if they are bombed by Tu-160, Su-25, Mi-24, etc just as long as Russia and Syria win this conflict and stick two fingers up to the west thats what matters. Dont get me wrong i enjoy seeing the various aircraft being used and showcased, but sometimes these threads go way off into nitty gritty stuff which swamps the thread.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:42 pm

    The defense Ministry started to equip the facility in Tartus as a naval base

    http://www.interfax.ru/world/537588



    Moscow. 18 Nov. INTERFAX.RU - the Russian defense Ministry equips your facility in the Syrian port of Tartus ships, boats and technical equipment necessary for the creation of a full-fledged naval base (VMB), said on Friday "Interfax" a source familiar with the situation.

    "Without waiting for documentation of raising the status of Russian facility in Syria's Tartus from the point of logistics to the naval base, Russia nourishes it with the necessary auxiliary vessels, boats and equipment," - said the Agency interlocutor.

    According to him, "the previous day through the Straits in a South-westerly direction proceeded, the sea tug MB-31 black sea fleet floating crane SPK-46150".

    A few days earlier specialized Turkish media reported passing through the Straits to the Russian ships of the auxiliary fleet (in particular, KIL-158), on Board of which were several boats anti-sabotage defense of the "Raptor". Messages accompanied by photos.

    On 10 October the state Secretary - Deputy defense Minister Nikolai Pankov said that the preparation of documents, allowing to establish a permanent naval base in the Syrian Tartus.

    In a period when the Russian facility in Tartus had the status of the item logistics of the Russian Navy, there on a permanent basis was on duty one of the two floating workshops of the black sea fleet.

    Patrol boat of project 03160 "Raptor" built at a shipyard "Pella" by order of the Russian Navy. In particular, three of them - P-275 P-276 P-281 - joined the squad anti-sabotage forces and means of the Novorossiysk naval base.



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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  calm on Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:02 pm

    What? Suspect
    https://www.rt.com/news/367323-lavrov-kerry-apec-lima/
    Russian bombers are striking terrorist targets in Syria’s Idlib and Homs provinces so that Islamic State militants retreating from Iraq’s Mosul do not cross into Syria, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said after “constructive” talks with his US counterpart, John Kerry.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:08 pm

    calm wrote:What? Suspect
    https://www.rt.com/news/367323-lavrov-kerry-apec-lima/
    Russian bombers are striking terrorist targets in Syria’s Idlib and Homs provinces so that Islamic State militants retreating from Iraq’s Mosul do not cross into Syria, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said after “constructive” talks with his US counterpart, John Kerry.

    Well remember this is RT. tongue
    But ehmm they may imply that by bombing rebel heartland they make areas like that less appealing and less safe for ex- or current IS from Iraq, to seek refuge.

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    Post  par far on Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:10 pm

    calm wrote:What? Suspect
    https://www.rt.com/news/367323-lavrov-kerry-apec-lima/
    Russian bombers are striking terrorist targets in Syria’s Idlib and Homs provinces so that Islamic State militants retreating from Iraq’s Mosul do not cross into Syria, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said after “constructive” talks with his US counterpart, John Kerry.


    I am going to guess, Russia is sending a message to the terrorists, don't come into Syria or you are going to be killed like the assholes in Idlib.

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:46 pm

    par far wrote:
    calm wrote:What? Suspect
    https://www.rt.com/news/367323-lavrov-kerry-apec-lima/
    Russian bombers are striking terrorist targets in Syria’s Idlib and Homs provinces so that Islamic State militants retreating from Iraq’s Mosul do not cross into Syria, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said after “constructive” talks with his US counterpart, John Kerry.


    I am going to guess, Russia is sending a message to the terrorists, don't come into Syria or you are going to be killed like the assholes in Idlib.

    another news clip on this
    Russian aviation in Syria on missions only in Idlib and Homs — Lavrov
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-aviation-syria-missions-idlib-homs-lavrov/

    but aren't they bombing targets in southern Aleppo??? and northern Hama??? the following news clippings all mention bombing in southern Aleppo and all in the last 48 hours.

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/mother-battles-begin-aleppo/
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/18-graphic-content-russian-jet-kills-5-jihadists-northern-syria/
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-airstrikes-obstruct-jihadist-supply-lines-southern-aleppo/
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-airstrikes-dirty-work-aleppo-ahead-syrian-army-offensive/


    also it doesn't make sense that he mentions by bombing these areas they are stopping terrorists coming from Mosul, the only terrorist faction operating there is ISIS and they wont be heading to Idilb or Homs but more likely Raqqa, Deir Ez Zoir and Palmyra. ISIS are determined to take Deir Ez Zoir they have no interest in Khansir, eastern Homs, or even taking Palmyra these are just pressure points to apply pressure so that the SAA have to keep forces there. ISIS want Deir Ez Zoir as a new base of operations once Raqqa has been liberated they want it as a last stand, while the top brass of ISIS flee the country to Yemen, Libya, Nigeria, Somalia, or some other African country


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  calm on Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:50 pm

    Locations of the targets which are pounding by #RuAF airstrikes and #RuNavy missiles.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:57 pm

    calm wrote:Locations of the targets which are pounding by #RuAF airstrikes and #RuNavy missiles.

    Holy s*** they're kicking some serious butt across the board.
    Well played.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  calm on Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:04 pm

    #Su24, #Su34 and #Su30|SM, #Latakia, #Syria, (c) Ahmad ALkhayer


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  airstrike on Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:12 pm

    First operational use of Russian Tu-95MS bombers with Kh-101 cruise missile...and that was over Syria.

    http://defense-watch.com/2016/11/19/first-operational-use-tu-95ms-bombers-kh-101-cruise-missile/

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    Post  calm on Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:51 pm

    Photo shows #Russia|n Air Force Mi-28N flying around Kuweires Military Airbase, South of Al-Bab - #Syria #Aleppo


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:46 am

    According to the web-site forums.airforce.ru, four new Su-35S (red hull numbers from "50" to "53"), transmitted VKS Russia in November 2016 and from 12 to 15 November flew from Komsomolsk on-Amur in the European part of Russia on November 21, made a flight to the airbase Hmeymim in Syria.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2272938.html


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:30 am

    George1 wrote:According to the web-site forums.airforce.ru, four new Su-35S (red hull numbers from "50" to "53"), transmitted VKS Russia in November 2016 and from 12 to 15 November flew from Komsomolsk on-Amur in the European part of Russia on November 21, made a flight to the airbase Hmeymim in Syria.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2272938.html

    my guess: in factoiry they fixed all flaws pointed by military and now retesting in field conditions.


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    Post  airstrike on Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:12 pm

    Four newly-delivered Russian Su-35S jets deployed to Syria

    http://defense-watch.com/2016/11/22/four-newly-delivered-russian-su-35s-jets-deployed-syria/

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:10 am

    I agree further testing is what is likely happening... would like to see the Su-25s return and be combat tested too...


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