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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:59 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
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    TheArmenian wrote:Ha ha ha,
    So Bastion has dual anti-ship and anti-surface modes.

    Well its basically cruise missile so it was expected.

    Kind of a big deal actually, since most people assumed it was Anti-Ship only

    Well Russia not only has to fight against Islamic State of Syria and Levant, she also has to fight against Islamic States of America... so she has to deal with ISAF and IS Navy who recently bombed schools, hospitals, civillians dwellings and even FSA, SAA troopers...

    So that is why a number of powerful anti-ship missiles and AA system have been deployed in Syria.

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:45 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    medo wrote:
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    medo wrote:So, Su-33 finaly made their first combat strikes in Syria.

    I still never saw them taking off with any air to ground warload... anyone got pic?

    On the photo with Ana Knishenko posted by calm, one Su-33 have a bomb placed on hardpoint between the engines. Maybe they don't want to risk with taking off from carrier with bombs under air intakes.

    Ah, i missed that one.

    Soo... one FAB-500...


    noticed today while watching RTnews that Su-33 was armed with two FAB-500 both in between the engines one behind the other.

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:52 pm

    calm wrote:
    https://twitter.com/warsmonitoring/status/798828032836321280




    Al Eis has always been a prized goal for both sides because of its elevation so makes sense to target this. And maybe they are looking to make a push towards Tall Daman. I think in reality they need to try and get the terrorists in central Aleppo to either give up or kill them, as with the Turkish backed now on Al-Bab the SAA can't afford to be facing another threat on another front. Even though Turkey has said that they will then move towards Menbij i dont trust them, and how much control do they have over the FSA in this region. It would have been so much better if the Kurds had taken Al Bab this would create a buffer zone between FSA and SAA but that seems very unlikely now. I have a feeling that ISIS will not put up much of a fight in Al Bab.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  calm on Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:40 pm

    Militarov wrote:Ah, i missed that one.
    Soo... one FAB-500...

    Finally Adm. Kuznetsov's Su-33 with 2 x FAB-500 M54 but RT ruined all showing a Su-25 (not deployed in Syria) performing airstrike...
    https://twitter.com/green_lemonnn/status/798864146821509122

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:57 pm

    Militarov wrote:
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    miketheterrible wrote:Still puts into question of Mikoyans lack of quality. They always seem to have an issue of some sort, with their new jets. And they also have had returns from Algeria due to poor quality compared to Sukhoi.

    Sucks but oh well. Signs that maybe MiG-35 may not be a good buy till Sokol plant and Mikoyan can get their crap together.

    Actually Algeria was protesting due to fact MiG concern used some already produced parts that they had stockpiled from 90s that were kept in storages. Algeria claimed they were mislead and expected all the parts to be brand new.

    Algeria wanted a switch deal too, it's a lot more complex than simply MiG being asses. But MiG gave them a convenient excuse to walk off the deal and have SU's instead.

    Btw Brand spanking new F-35 caught fire while landing less than a week ago. I'm sure this F-35 gig should bring shame on Boeing...oh wait. Let's stop this non-sense.

    Noone cares if that happens to BAE, Boeing or Lockeed Martin really. Sales are there, their lobying power is beyond imagination, maintenance support they offer is immense, spares inflow is also spectacular. MiG is struggling to deliver even spares to old MiG-29 operators. Boeing however faced big issues when B737s had major accidents, as sales dropped and many operators tried switching to Airbus, that is how it is.

    Mig has no issues issuing spares for the 29 fleet, that's an absolute myth. What is going on though is that MiG is wanting to get out of shitty underpriced contracts that they were forced to write, because they cannot sell anything anymore. This comes directly from the choice Russia made to basically kill the two manufacturer conglomerate back in the 1990's.

    Also the only thing that should have made RAC MiG some dough was shot down because most of the NATO operators are becoming former ones and they are bypassing MiG for parts. Last laugh was Poland offering Bulgaria a overhaul and maintenance deal while they don't have the IP to make anything regarding maintenance. Try that with Boeing.

    Mig is simply caught in a multilayered shitstorm that has nothing to do with them being suddenly the lesser gypsum, just the victims of a political choice, historical fallout and basically a savage market.

    Most of this has ironically to do with Mig Losing their entries at the MO when the USSR went down.

    If Kamov wasn't propped by their Chinese design contract, they would be in the same ditch, right now.



    And its abit different as F-35 is in IOC, MiG-29K is allegedly service ready for 3-4 years already now, and the damn thing caught fire, was flushed and repaired onboard the ship. I wouldnt say a word if it was brand new design crashing on flight tests... but its not really new design and it crashed before even ever seeing any combat, and you can count all of them on your fingers.
    The Mig29K is ready for service and one plane f*cked up (for reasons we don't know). The F35 is Green condition ready as well, and it has been for 10 years, yet it sporadically catches fire, bugs, lapses etc. Let's not start calling people names before having some perspective.


    Well they lagged behind almost a year in delivery of spares for one our MiG-29 here actually. One two seater was grounded due to borrowing some wing composites to single seater (apparently one of the maintenance crew guys stood on it and it shattered) and was standing there for quite a while with no spares, even tho they were paid upfront to MiG, its first hand info. I am actually not sure if they were delievered even now, probably were by now.

    Well ye, F-35 is in IOC but they did not send it to Syria to crash on a first day now, didnt they Smile?


    A not further than yesterday the Bulgarians announce they will go to RAC Mig for their planes. As i said MiG have their own issues that aren't related to them producing spares but to intertia and very shitty way they were treated by RosOboron IE the Russian state.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Militarov on Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:24 pm

    calm wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Ah, i missed that one.
    Soo... one FAB-500...

    Finally Adm. Kuznetsov's Su-33 with 2 x  FAB-500 M54 but RT ruined all showing a Su-25 (not deployed in Syria) performing airstrike...
    https://twitter.com/green_lemonnn/status/798864146821509122

    So two it is.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:45 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    calm wrote:
    Militarov wrote:Ah, i missed that one.
    Soo... one FAB-500...

    Finally Adm. Kuznetsov's Su-33 with 2 x  FAB-500 M54 but RT ruined all showing a Su-25 (not deployed in Syria) performing airstrike...
    https://twitter.com/green_lemonnn/status/798864146821509122

    So two it is.

    Yeah, not impressive at all. silent

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:51 pm






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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:08 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:

    RT propaganda failed to mention that the besides the Danish Sea Lynx (which report as NATO's) they have a frickin Absalon class frigate shadowing them just a mere mile or two away, not "in the region". It's evident in their own footage (03:30). lol1

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:30 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:........

    RT propaganda failed to mention that the besides the Danish Sea Lynx (which report as NATO's) they have a frickin Absalon class frigate shadowing them just a mere mile or two away, not "in the region". It's evident in their own footage (03:30). lol1

    So?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  par far on Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:42 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:

    RT propaganda failed to mention that the besides the Danish Sea Lynx (which report as NATO's) they have a frickin Absalon class frigate shadowing them just a mere mile or two away, not "in the region". It's evident in their own footage (03:30). lol1


    NATO can go fuck itself, if that thing comes to close(either Absalon class frigate  or the Danish Sea Lynx or any other NATO ship or Submarine) will be blown into pieces.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:42 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:........

    RT propaganda failed to mention that the besides the Danish Sea Lynx (which report as NATO's) they have a frickin Absalon class frigate shadowing them just a mere mile or two away, not "in the region". It's evident in their own footage (03:30). lol1

    So?

    It's funny, journalists and military kit identification.
    Even if it's in front of their eyes (camera lens), they did not report the news (the frigate in center frame) just a useless statement by an official.



    Looks like the Russians are on to something, pounding the Idlib-Aleppo supply line.

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    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:56 pm

    par far wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:

    RT propaganda failed to mention that the besides the Danish Sea Lynx (which report as NATO's) they have a frickin Absalon class frigate shadowing them just a mere mile or two away, not "in the region". It's evident in their own footage (03:30). lol1


    NATO can go fuck itself, if that thing comes to close(either Absalon class frigate  or the Danish Sea Lynx or any other NATO ship or Submarine) will be blown into pieces.

    Give me a break. Right now most sane citizens in NATO countries with access or facilities in the Med are clapping for the bombing of terrorists. But don't get carried away thinking the Med is not a NATO lake. Because it still is. No such task force is perceived as a great threat to any of such nation as the alliance has more than enough tools to eliminate any such foreign naval force, quite easily in the Med.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  par far on Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:08 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    par far wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:

    RT propaganda failed to mention that the besides the Danish Sea Lynx (which report as NATO's) they have a frickin Absalon class frigate shadowing them just a mere mile or two away, not "in the region". It's evident in their own footage (03:30). lol1


    NATO can go fuck itself, if that thing comes to close(either Absalon class frigate  or the Danish Sea Lynx or any other NATO ship or Submarine) will be blown into pieces.

    Give me a break. Right now most sane citizens in NATO countries with access or facilities in the Med are clapping for the bombing of terrorists. But don't get carried away thinking the Med is not a NATO lake. Because it still is. No such task force is perceived as a great threat to any of such nation as the alliance has more than enough tools to eliminate any such foreign naval force, quite easily in the Med.


    It does matter what the "Alliance" has in the Mediterranean Sea, if they attack Russian assets, they will be blown to pieces.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:10 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:............

    Give me a break. Right now most sane citizens in NATO countries with access or facilities in the Med are clapping for the bombing of terrorists. But don't get carried away thinking the Med is not a NATO lake. Because it still is. No such task force is perceived as a great threat to any of such nation as the alliance has more than enough tools to eliminate any such foreign naval force, quite easily in the Med.

    Yes but as always that would lead to nuke apocalypse. This situation with two fleets sailing around each other is now what it has always been: dick measuring contest with no relevant effect on ultimate outcome should whole thing turn hot.

    Big metal tubs floating around for amusement of the masses and defense budget comities.

    Now let's all go back on topic shall we? Nelson and Ushakov had their day. Welcome to the present.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:14 pm

    par far wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    par far wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:

    RT propaganda failed to mention that the besides the Danish Sea Lynx (which report as NATO's) they have a frickin Absalon class frigate shadowing them just a mere mile or two away, not "in the region". It's evident in their own footage (03:30). lol1


    NATO can go fuck itself, if that thing comes to close(either Absalon class frigate  or the Danish Sea Lynx or any other NATO ship or Submarine) will be blown into pieces.

    Give me a break. Right now most sane citizens in NATO countries with access or facilities in the Med are clapping for the bombing of terrorists. But don't get carried away thinking the Med is not a NATO lake. Because it still is. No such task force is perceived as a great threat to any of such nation as the alliance has more than enough tools to eliminate any such foreign naval force, quite easily in the Med.


    It does matter what the "Alliance" has in the Mediterranean Sea, if they attack Russian assets, they will be blown to pieces.  

    You're the one mentioning about shooting down the Danish chopper, for coming too close. When in fact it can and it did (see the footage) with zero risks of escalation. If the local NATO countries pleased they could jet as close as those Fencers did on the USN destroyers in the Baltic.

    Nothing the Russians could have done, other than film it and carry on with their mission.

    Off Topic ends here.

    PapaDragon wrote:Yes but as always that would lead to nuke apocalypse. This situation with two fleets sailing around each other is now what it has always been: dick measuring contest with no relevant effect on ultimate outcome should whole thing turn hot.

    Big metal tubs floating around for amusement of the masses and defense budget comities.

    Now let's all go back on topic shall we? Nelson and Ushakov had their day. Welcome to the present.

    Agreed. I take your last sentence is surely not aimed at me. With which I do agree.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:32 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:..........

    PapaDragon wrote:Yes but as always that would lead to nuke apocalypse. This situation with two fleets sailing around each other is now what it has always been: dick measuring contest with no relevant effect on ultimate outcome should whole thing turn hot.

    Big metal tubs floating around for amusement of the masses and defense budget comities.

    Now let's all go back on topic shall we? Nelson and Ushakov had their day. Welcome to the present.

    Agreed. I take your last sentence is surely not aimed at me. With which I do agree.

    I was referring to everyone including me. A lot of hot air here these last couple of days over nothing. Just look at Kuznetzov tread, it is still ongoing.

    VKS finally officially restarted Syria ops. Lets just enjoy some action and military porn.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:41 pm

    Syrian Express still hauling away in the background. This is Georgiy Pobedonosets on her 9th southbound trip this year, this time on the limit of her carrying ability (probably more than the 500 tons quoted) and nicely level in the water. We don't see them loaded to the gunnels like this very often. Normally they are more stern down.




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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:03 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Syrian Express still hauling away in the background. This is Georgiy Pobedonosets on her 9th southbound trip this year, this time on the limit of her carrying ability (probably more than the 500 tons quoted) and nicely level in the water. We don't see them loaded to the gunnels like this very often. Normally they are more stern down.



    .....

    These things may have spent nearly three decades rusting away and doing nothing but by the looks of things now, they will make up for all of it and then some... thumbsup

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    Post  Militarov on Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:35 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Syrian Express still hauling away in the background. This is Georgiy Pobedonosets on her 9th southbound trip this year, this time on the limit of her carrying ability (probably more than the 500 tons quoted) and nicely level in the water. We don't see them loaded to the gunnels like this very often. Normally they are more stern down.



    .....

    These things may have spent nearly three decades rusting away and doing nothing but by the looks of things now, they will make up for all of it and then some... thumbsup

    It needs a paintjob badly tho.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  medo on Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:41 pm

    Unfortunately we still didn't see cockpit of modernized Su-33 to know, if it still have old radar scope or a new display instead.

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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:57 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Syrian Express still hauling away in the background. This is Georgiy Pobedonosets on her 9th southbound trip this year, this time on the limit of her carrying ability (probably more than the 500 tons quoted) and nicely level in the water. We don't see them loaded to the gunnels like this very often. Normally they are more stern down.

    .....

    These things may have spent nearly three decades rusting away and doing nothing but by the looks of things now, they will make up for all of it and then some... thumbsup

    It needs a paintjob badly tho.
    That is the 'functional' colour scheme!

    I seem to remember that one of them 'retired' for a few weeks and then reappeared freshly painted. Given their history their work rate has been nothing short of amazing.

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    Post  Militarov on Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:04 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Syrian Express still hauling away in the background. This is Georgiy Pobedonosets on her 9th southbound trip this year, this time on the limit of her carrying ability (probably more than the 500 tons quoted) and nicely level in the water. We don't see them loaded to the gunnels like this very often. Normally they are more stern down.

    .....

    These things may have spent nearly three decades rusting away and doing nothing but by the looks of things now, they will make up for all of it and then some... thumbsup

    It needs a paintjob badly tho.
    That is the 'functional' colour scheme!

    I seem to remember that one of them 'retired' for a few weeks and then reappeared freshly painted. Given their history their work rate has been nothing short of amazing.

    Few of them got paintjob during Syrian express. One was in particulary bad shape i remember.

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:14 am

    we've seen and heard of Su-33 carrying out bombing missions, but nothing of the Mig-29K doing any bombing, or any Ka-52K attacking targets in Latakia, any news i have missed? or anyone know of anything on this?

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    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:39 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:we've seen and heard of Su-33 carrying out bombing missions, but nothing of the Mig-29K doing any bombing, or any Ka-52K attacking targets in Latakia, any news i have missed? or anyone know of anything on this?

    I bet after ditching that Fulcrum in the Med they grounded them all.

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