Militarov wrote: KoTeMoRe wrote: Militarov wrote:
miketheterrible wrote:Still puts into question of Mikoyans lack of quality. They always seem to have an issue of some sort, with their new jets. And they also have had returns from Algeria due to poor quality compared to Sukhoi.
Sucks but oh well. Signs that maybe MiG-35 may not be a good buy till Sokol plant and Mikoyan can get their crap together.
Actually Algeria was protesting due to fact MiG concern used some already produced parts that they had stockpiled from 90s that were kept in storages. Algeria claimed they were mislead and expected all the parts to be brand new.
Algeria wanted a switch deal too, it's a lot more complex than simply MiG being asses. But MiG gave them a convenient excuse to walk off the deal and have SU's instead.
Btw Brand spanking new F-35 caught fire while landing less than a week ago. I'm sure this F-35 gig should bring shame on Boeing...oh wait. Let's stop this non-sense.
Noone cares if that happens to BAE, Boeing or Lockeed Martin really. Sales are there, their lobying power is beyond imagination, maintenance support they offer is immense, spares inflow is also spectacular. MiG is struggling to deliver even spares to old MiG-29 operators. Boeing however faced big issues when B737s had major accidents, as sales dropped and many operators tried switching to Airbus, that is how it is.
Mig has no issues issuing spares for the 29 fleet, that's an absolute myth. What is going on though is that MiG is wanting to get out of shitty underpriced contracts that they were forced to write, because they cannot sell anything anymore. This comes directly from the choice Russia made to basically kill the two manufacturer conglomerate back in the 1990's.
Also the only thing that should have made RAC MiG some dough was shot down because most of the NATO operators are becoming former ones and they are bypassing MiG for parts. Last laugh was Poland offering Bulgaria a overhaul and maintenance deal while they don't have the IP to make anything regarding maintenance. Try that with Boeing.
Mig is simply caught in a multilayered shitstorm that has nothing to do with them being suddenly the lesser gypsum, just the victims of a political choice, historical fallout and basically a savage market.
Most of this has ironically to do with Mig Losing their entries at the MO when the USSR went down.
If Kamov wasn't propped by their Chinese design contract, they would be in the same ditch, right now.
And its abit different as F-35 is in IOC, MiG-29K is allegedly service ready for 3-4 years already now, and the damn thing caught fire, was flushed and repaired onboard the ship. I wouldnt say a word if it was brand new design crashing on flight tests... but its not really new design and it crashed before even ever seeing any combat, and you can count all of them on your fingers.
The Mig29K is ready for service and one plane f*cked up (for reasons we don't know). The F35 is Green condition ready as well, and it has been for 10 years, yet it sporadically catches fire, bugs, lapses etc. Let's not start calling people names before having some perspective.