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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:38 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:

    I was stationed at Akrotiri, and the two mountain bases of Troodos and Mount Olympus (very top of mountain next to Cypriot army base), and i can tell you that none of the bases have any air defence. Troodos was guarded by ourselves which was 4 guys on the main gate and 4 guys on rest day, and mount Olympus which had 4-5 guys, and the only weapons we had were SA-80 and LSW, and had a Landrover for transport. Akrotiri had a few fixed wing which was mostly Typhoons and sometimes Tornado but there was times when no fixed wing were present and the Americans had U2's stationed there. The base is pretty exposed and only naval assets were a few RIBS and occasional visit of a something larger. The mole their was even guarded. As for troops at Akrotiri there was a few Cypriot security (unarmed) and one solider on the gate, there was also a few military police on the base armed with pistols, and there was us which acted as QRF which consisted of 4 guys in a landrover yet again armed with SA-80 and LSW, and that was it. from the sea the base is totally exposed and only light fencing around the base. The base we were garrisoned in was Episkopi and that was where most of the Infantry battalion was based. And you also have Dhekelia base which is also infantry base with small airfield for helicopters  You also had a small base in Ayios Nikolaos Station which is a joint UK/USA operation which a signals base. Most of the infantry based on the island were in the light role of landrovers, trucks, and occasionally Saxon APC, and i think now they have foxhounds which is a small MRAP vehicle. But no major assets, small arms and ATGW, 81mm mortars, HMG and thats about it for infantry. So yeah pretty exposed in my eyes.
    Thanks, pretty much why I suggested it. Known in the trade as a sitting duck. The UK, like most of NATO, has virtually no SAMs deployed at airfields anywhere as they never needed them in their activities over the past 25+ years. Like most of the West we are bankrupt and, with a profit hungry MIC to support, don't or can't spend wisely.

    When you are geared for attack against enemies a thousand miles away, unlike Russia geared for defence, you just don't need them. Until the day that changes, when it is too late.

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:09 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:

    I was stationed at Akrotiri, and the two mountain bases of Troodos and Mount Olympus (very top of mountain next to Cypriot army base), and i can tell you that none of the bases have any air defence. Troodos was guarded by ourselves which was 4 guys on the main gate and 4 guys on rest day, and mount Olympus which had 4-5 guys, and the only weapons we had were SA-80 and LSW, and had a Landrover for transport. Akrotiri had a few fixed wing which was mostly Typhoons and sometimes Tornado but there was times when no fixed wing were present and the Americans had U2's stationed there. The base is pretty exposed and only naval assets were a few RIBS and occasional visit of a something larger. The mole their was even guarded. As for troops at Akrotiri there was a few Cypriot security (unarmed) and one solider on the gate, there was also a few military police on the base armed with pistols, and there was us which acted as QRF which consisted of 4 guys in a landrover yet again armed with SA-80 and LSW, and that was it. from the sea the base is totally exposed and only light fencing around the base. The base we were garrisoned in was Episkopi and that was where most of the Infantry battalion was based. And you also have Dhekelia base which is also infantry base with small airfield for helicopters  You also had a small base in Ayios Nikolaos Station which is a joint UK/USA operation which a signals base. Most of the infantry based on the island were in the light role of landrovers, trucks, and occasionally Saxon APC, and i think now they have foxhounds which is a small MRAP vehicle. But no major assets, small arms and ATGW, 81mm mortars, HMG and thats about it for infantry. So yeah pretty exposed in my eyes.
    Thanks, pretty much why I suggested it. Known in the trade as a sitting duck. The UK, like most of NATO, has virtually no SAMs deployed at airfields anywhere as they never needed them in their activities over the past 25+ years. Like most of the West we are bankrupt and, with a profit hungry MIC to support, don't or can't spend wisely.

    When you are geared for attack against enemies a thousand miles away, unlike Russia geared for defence, you just don't need them. Until the day that changes, when it is too late.

    exactly. A handful rapier and starstreak wont be enough. It always shocked me at how little air defence systems the west had, and now now with the current armed forces situation the UK is in shit state.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  calm on Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:55 pm


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Erk on Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:07 am

    calm wrote:

    That video spends most of it's  time showing pictures of bad things which Russia is alleged to have done, and no time showing what really happened, all it does is reinforce a negative image of Russia in Syria. This is exactly what I was complaining about earlier with respect to bad RT videos, they have lost control of the narrative and are showing more anti-Russian footage when they should be neutral and informative. There are some good front line videos from Murad Gazdiev who spells things out clearly, but most of the other RT videos on Syria do more harm than good.

    Here is a video by Murad Gazdiev in Aleppo a week ago.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  calm on Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:13 am

    [quote="Erk"]
    calm wrote:Here is a video by Murad Gazdiev in Aleppo a week ago.


    East #Aleppo on total lockdown; rebels have mined & barricaded all 7 civilians crossings. This is the biggest hostage crisis in the world
    https://twitter.com/MuradGazdiev/status/786950196022353920

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    Post  kvs on Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:14 am

    calm wrote:

    The western media and politicians claim that the al-Kindi hospital was destroyed by Russian bombs.
    This nothing but blood libel:



    It was leveled by al-Nusra in December, 2013.

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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:47 am

    Erk wrote:
    calm wrote:

    That video spends most of it's  time showing pictures of bad things which Russia is alleged to have done, and no time showing what really happened, all it does is reinforce a negative image of Russia in Syria. This is exactly what I was complaining about earlier with respect to bad RT videos, they have lost control of the narrative and are showing more anti-Russian footage when they should be neutral and informative. There are some good front line videos from Murad Gazdiev who spells things out clearly, but most of the other RT videos on Syria do more harm than good.

    Here is a video by Murad Gazdiev in Aleppo a week ago.


    ACtually is very good.

    It shows ,that NATO and western media HIDE /PROTECT Alqaeda  by not mentioning
    There are a quarter of millions civilians prisoners of the Rebels they backup. And it is very
    very important.. to every day , let the world know ,that NATO backed Rebels have hostages
    a quarter million civilians in eastern Aleppo and that NATO refuse any measure to negotiate the civilians to leave or Alqaeda to leave to any zone they prefer. So NATO wants civilians and Alqaeda together ,this is the moral of the story .and claims that no fighting them is the "way to peace".  So is a Bogus policy ,and fraudulent too.

    So the liberation of eastern Aleppo by Syrian government, will expose NATO as a criminal institution ,because those 250,000 civilians there will talk.. and will be questioned if there were moderates there..but Alqaeda, and thats when Obama ,Cameron,Boris Johnson and Hollande will have to explain the world ,why they were sponsoring Terrorist Groups that have hostages hundred of thousands civilians in Aleppo? it will be also totally embarrasing for NATO if those civilians they claimed Russia bomb.. thanks Russia for their liberation. Wink

    So what this dangerous scandal that will happen means?
    1)That all those 250,000 Civilians will have to be killed by NATO  or
    2)That they will need to launch a very urgent assault on eastern Alleppo using ISIS ,to open the Syrian army siege. To remove all the civilians secretly from there. and kill them all ,so they dont speak.

    So i will not be surprised of major chemical weapons attacks happens in a matter of weeks or days against Aleppo citizens (because those civilians know too much about the nature of NATO backed Rebels) ,and Syria and Assad blamed for it.and Russia for supporting them.

    So be ready for a new Low of US ,UK and France. in Syria.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:39 pm





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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  calm on Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:48 pm

    ka-52 Shaer gas field



    and... Suspect
    18+


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:45 pm


    You should maybe mark that last video as NSFW just in case.

    Sand absorbed all the blood so it's pretty clean but you still have some John Carpenter style holes on those stiffs.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  OminousSpudd on Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:24 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    You should maybe mark that last video as NSFW just in case.

    Sand absorbed all the blood so it's pretty clean but you still have some John Carpenter style holes on those stiffs.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  calm on Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:52 am

    Shaer Suspect ?

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:01 am

    calm wrote:Shaer Suspect ?

    Polite cancer removers are also present in Aleppo and Latakia.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  franco on Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:59 pm

    Interesting read on what the Russian advisers have to deal with. And even today after more training is put into these units, there are still only about half a dozen that would be rated excellent and another half a dozen rated good out of about 40 regiments / brigades. These are the units that are used to spearhead operations. The others just support or hold the lines.

    https://en.ria.ru/middleeast/201610161046382998-syria-battle-aleppo/

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    Post  calm on Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:47 pm

    A lot of #RuNavy movement going on

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:41 pm

    1) Hague Tribunal - how it comes that Russia obeys or defends its rights under this tribunal? wft? Chinese dealt with funny tribunal the right way. "democratic" Yeltsin constitution?


    2) How change situation after fall of Aleppo? chase with US aggressors to Raqqa?





    Kerry admitted the possibility of the introduction of new sanctions against Russia because of the situation in Syria

    http://www.interfax.ru/world/532731






    calm wrote:A lot of #RuNavy movement going on


    interesting is that some missile boats from BSF were transfered to Syria...they have only ASch misisles not for land attacks. Peter the Great also has 20 big argument against Ac groups not land attack.




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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Isos on Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:03 pm



    Russian plane spotted. 2 more Syrian air force Il-76 are there one in Syria and other one on Iran. In the north of Allepo an unindentfied plane is going at 100knt speed, maybe a drone.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  calm on Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:41 am

    Palmyra

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  franco on Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:24 am

    So what happens to the new found Russian Turkish "partnership" when their cronies attempt to attack Aleppo?

    "EuphratesShield rebels release statement after capturing Dabiq, says they will now move towards Aleppo city"

    "Both the Turkish FM & the Presidency spokesperson say that al-Bab will be Euphrates Shield's goal after capturing Dabiq"

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    Post  VladimirSahin on Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:14 am

    franco wrote:So what happens to the new found Russian Turkish "partnership" when their cronies attempt to attack Aleppo?

    "EuphratesShield rebels release statement after capturing Dabiq, says they will now move towards Aleppo city"

    "Both the Turkish FM & the Presidency spokesperson say that al-Bab will be Euphrates Shield's goal after capturing Dabiq"

    2 problems with this

    1. ISIS won't give up Al-Bab easily

    2. Aleppo will be red before Al-Bab can be taken

    I wish luck to the rebels if they think they can re-take Aleppo after it is taken.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:15 pm

    franco wrote:So what happens to the new found Russian Turkish "partnership" when their cronies attempt to attack Aleppo?

    "EuphratesShield rebels release statement after capturing Dabiq, says they will now move towards Aleppo city"

    "Both the Turkish FM & the Presidency spokesperson say that al-Bab will be Euphrates Shield's goal after capturing Dabiq"

    They will receive Rheinmetall blessing from VKS and Sultan will be apologizing on the phone to Moscow in a jiffy.

    Unless they ask Sultan for permission first in which case he will have them committed to loony bin. I think Rejep has learned his lesson. Money talks.

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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:34 pm

    The Syrian Express seems to be back up to full speed now that the Autumn exercises are over and the crews have had a rest. Much tonnage of useful stuff heading south.

    Plus the Zuznetsov will be fully loaded with all the stuff they wanted to get rid of from the ammo dumps up north along no doubt with some new stuff they want to test. Whatever it is its many hundreds of tons that the Express didn't have to carry.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:50 pm

    The EU has threatened to equate Russia airstrikes in Aleppo for war crimes


    http://www.interfax.ru/world/532848
    Moscow. 17 Oct. INTERFAX.RU - air Strikes of Russian aviation and Syria for Aleppo can be regarded as war crimes, says the statement adopted on Monday a communiqué of the EU Council on the results of the meeting in Luxembourg.

    "Deliberate attacks on hospitals, medical workers, schools and basic infrastructure, as well as the use of barrel bombs, cluster bombs and chemical weapons (in Aleppo - "if") can constitute war crimes," - said in the text of the document.

    The European Union issued a strong condemnation of the military actions of the Syrian army and its allies against the civilian population of Syria and the humanitarian organizations working in the country.

    "The EU strongly condemns the excessive and disproportionate attacks by the regime (of Bashar al-Assad - if) and its allies as a deliberate and indiscriminate against civilians, humanitarian and medical workers and civilian and humanitarian infrastructure", - said in a communique.

    The document also calls for the Syrian government to "stop the indiscriminate aerial bombardment".

    The communiqué also noted that the perpetrators of the attack on 19 September on a humanitarian convoy of the United Nations for Aleppo must be brought to justice.


    London found no evidence


    Earlier it was reported that the British foreign Ministry in response to the request of the Russian Embassy said that London has no evidence of intentional infliction of Russian air force strikes on civilians in Aleppo.

    Last week, Johnson condemned the strikes on hospitals in Syria, as well as the attack on the humanitarian convoy of the UN, stressing that "all available evidence points to the fact that for this crime the responsible Russia." The head of the British foreign Ministry also saidthat opponents of the war in Syria needs to arrange a demonstration at the Russian Embassy in London.


    so who first will take Putin to jail? Lithuanian Army? Duthc Army or Ukrop fascist scum? Of course no US/British can be ever brought to justice for war crimes.

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    Post  eehnie on Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:21 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:The EU has threatened to equate Russia airstrikes in Aleppo for war crimes


    http://www.interfax.ru/world/532848
    Moscow. 17 Oct. INTERFAX.RU - air Strikes of Russian aviation and Syria for Aleppo can be regarded as war crimes, says the statement adopted on Monday a communiqué of the EU Council on the results of the meeting in Luxembourg.

    "Deliberate attacks on hospitals, medical workers, schools and basic infrastructure, as well as the use of barrel bombs, cluster bombs and chemical weapons (in Aleppo - "if") can constitute war crimes," - said in the text of the document.

    The European Union issued a strong condemnation of the military actions of the Syrian army and its allies against the civilian population of Syria and the humanitarian organizations working in the country.

    "The EU strongly condemns the excessive and disproportionate attacks by the regime (of Bashar al-Assad - if) and its allies as a deliberate and indiscriminate against civilians, humanitarian and medical workers and civilian and humanitarian infrastructure", - said in a communique.

    The document also calls for the Syrian government to "stop the indiscriminate aerial bombardment".

    The communiqué also noted that the perpetrators of the attack on 19 September on a humanitarian convoy of the United Nations for Aleppo must be brought to justice.


    London found no evidence


    Earlier it was reported that the British foreign Ministry in response to the request of the Russian Embassy said that London has no evidence of intentional infliction of Russian air force strikes on civilians in Aleppo.

    Last week, Johnson condemned the strikes on hospitals in Syria, as well as the attack on the humanitarian convoy of the UN, stressing that "all available evidence points to the fact that for this crime the responsible Russia." The head of the British foreign Ministry also saidthat opponents of the war in Syria needs to arrange a demonstration at the Russian Embassy in London.


    so who first will take Putin to jail? Lithuanian Army? Duthc Army or Ukrop fascist scum? Of course no US/British can be ever brought to justice for war crimes.

    While I'm very cold with the behaviour of the EU political leaders, to put the words of a UK minister as supposed spokesperson of the EU is a bad joke... The UK is out...

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