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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:53 pm

    Holy cow..!!!  Shocked

    This is historical folks.. truly scary..what Europe is becoming now..read this
    new law in Europe.



    The statement by MEPs warns that “hostile propaganda against the EU and its member states seeks to distort the truth, provoke doubt, divide the EU and its North American partners, paralyze the decision-making process, discredit the EU institutions and incite fear and uncertainty among EU citizens.


    https://www.rt.com/op-edge/362475-mep-propaganda-russia-isis-media/


    The European Puppet Union Parliament is moving into full retard mode.
    They preparing a resolution that will enable them to ban Russian media in Europe. Laughing

    This is not freedom but a total dictatorship. Europe is moving into a total repression
    of the freedom of information ,and moving to control society information. They complain
    about RT and Sputnik.. but says nothing about CNN or BBC.. lol

    So folks this is it. The end of European Union democracy will end the day ,they block any
    media that do not is aligned with their media propaganda. This is a totalitarian North korea
    Government. who will have guessed this.. and in United States they are also moving in this
    direction. Hillary threatened to shutdown media like Infowars.  US and Europe will use the
    Erdogan Turkey dictatorship model . wondering if Dumb Europeans and Americans will stay
    quiet if their government become a full scale dictatorship , and it is done in the name of
    "SEcurity". Is totally Retarded that Europe is comparing RT media with ISIS.. lol1  

    All this Jungle laws ,are done not to protect Americans citizens or Europeans.
    but to protect the government and politicians to be put in Jail for their aid to terrorism.
    I suspect that when Aleppo is liberated , we will see Russia media shutdown in the west.

    Because video images of thousands of civlians thanking Russia for being liberated from eastern aleppo ,saying they were hostages of Alqaeda ,that they were all Animals. and criminals and tortured and killed many of them ,will send shockwaves around the world. and it will be
    impossible to explain for US and UK and France ,that have been claiming Russia
    was "killing civilians" deliberately.

    So stay tune . The hostilities and bad language against Russia will increase the more closer eastern aleppo. is liberated. Because it will expose to the eyes of the world that NATO is a criminal terror organization and had hostage 250,000 civilians to Alqaeda by not allowing Russia
    to liberate them. Can anyone imagine the worldwide scandal ? and the reparation damages that US ,UK and France will be forced to pay.?  This could happen for real with new generations of politicians in US and Europe in 10 to 20 years. This is very dangerous for NATO ,because the record of war crimes never expire. NEVER.. and can be re-opened a decade later with a new generation of politicians. and put under Arrest obama/CLinton/Kerry and UK and France governments for their genocide in Syria and alliance with terrorism. This is why i think ,
    US and its European allies will impose an erdogan like Government ,where civilians no longer
    will be allowed not even to protest in cities and will be silenced and ,with major sensoring
    of Media and Internet that is not aligned with their propaganda. ie.. This is a North korean government , the way the bandits behind Syria illegal war ,could avoid prison. by censoring
    protest and the information people can receive in media or internet.

    So this means , the end of free media , the end of free internet (because will also be banned any non supported information)and a major ERA of repression and Darkness like the ones you see in Turkey ,with one Dictator in control of all ,comming to Europe and for sure US too.

    more European MEP wisdom.. lol1


    To wit: “MEPs are concerned about the rapid expansion of Kremlin-inspired propaganda. They note how ”the Russian government is aggressively employing a wide range of tools and instruments, such as think tanks [...], multilingual TV stations (e.g. Russia Today), pseudo-news agencies [...], social media and internet trolls, to challenge democratic values, divide Europe, gather domestic support and create the perception of failed states in the EU’s eastern neighborhood.”

    In US they are already censoring RT in indirect ways.. they are using nation level hacks attak on
    RT online to block people from entering them. just weeks ago , RT was down for 2-3 days. So combination of censoring with blocking internet through hacks is what they will use to stop
    the truth of what happens in the world. I really think that all this Bullshit will create a major revolution in Europe to reject this North Korean initiatives. what will be next? they will create
    an statue of Obama and everyone forced to idolize it like God? lol1

    and wikileaks.. i bet the UK gov ,will invade the Ecuador embassy ,or create a fire there to force them to leave and arrest assange . lol His leaks are becoming really Embarrasing for hillary campaign.. and very lethal even more than regular media. lol1


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:59 pm


    Procedure: non-binding resolution
    REF. : 20161010IPR46530
    Updated: ( 11-10-2016 - 13:40

    You can all sleep tight, this is the EU...

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    Post  par far on Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:22 pm

    "RUSSIAN AIRCRAFT CARRIER ‘ADMIRAL KUZNETSOV’ IS ON WAY TO SYRIA – PHOTO".


    https://southfront.org/russian-aircraft-carrier-admiral-kuznetsov-is-on-way-to-syria-photo/




    "VIDEO: RUSSIAN DRONES DOMINATE THE SKY OVER LATAKIA AS AIRSTRIKES AID THE SYRIAN ARMY".


    https://southfront.org/video-russian-drones-dominate-the-sky-over-latakia-as-airstrikes-aid-the-syrian-army/



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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Godric on Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:25 pm

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/719885/Syria-civil-war-Andrew-Mitchell-says-NATO-planes-must-police-no-fly-zone-against-Russia

    British jets must be free to SHOOT DOWN Russian warplanes in Syria, says top Tory MP

    BRITISH warplanes should be given the green light to shoot down Russian jets over Syria to end the bloody civil war, a former Cabinet minister has demanded.

    Andrew Mitchell said the RAF should be used to confront Moscow's aircraft in the skies above Syria - downing them if necessary to prevent civilians being bombed in towns such as Aleppo.

    He brushed aside concerns that firing at a Russian jet could spark a new world war, saying the UK's involvement should be limited to defensive action only.

    The former international development secretary used the example of Turkey downing a Russian fighter jet which veered into its airspace last year to show how a strong defensive posture would fire a warning shot at the Russians without provoking full-blown conflict.

    etc etc etc

    that wouldn't be a wise move the RuAF would wipe out the RAF in no time in Syria and fire a few cruise missiles at their bases in the UK

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  auslander on Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:59 pm

    Don't know if this article is truthful or not:

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/raf-given-green-light-shoot-133352631.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

    If it is true this ain't gonna be pretty.

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    Post  Isos on Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:09 pm

    auslander wrote:Don't know if this article is truthful or not:

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/raf-given-green-light-shoot-133352631.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

    If it is true this ain't gonna be pretty.

    lol! Tornado against Su-30/35 ... even a target drone can do better lol!

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    Post  par far on Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:11 pm

    auslander wrote:Don't know if this article is truthful or not:

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/raf-given-green-light-shoot-133352631.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

    If it is true this ain't gonna be pretty.


    It is probably crap, if they target Russian planes, than theirs, will be targeted, so they won't do it.

    Yahoo is pure Zionist crap, so I would not put too much stock into this.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:12 pm

    Godric wrote:http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/719885/Syria-civil-war-Andrew-Mitchell-says-NATO-planes-must-police-no-fly-zone-against-Russia

    British jets must be free to SHOOT DOWN Russian warplanes in Syria, says top Tory MP

    BRITISH warplanes should be given the green light to shoot down Russian jets over Syria to end the bloody civil war, a former Cabinet minister has demanded.

    Andrew Mitchell said the RAF should be used to confront Moscow's aircraft in the skies above Syria - downing them if necessary to prevent civilians being bombed in towns such as Aleppo.

    He brushed aside concerns that firing at a Russian jet could spark a new world war, saying the UK's involvement should be limited to defensive action only.

    The former international development secretary used the example of Turkey downing a Russian fighter jet which veered into its airspace last year to show how a strong defensive posture would fire a warning shot at the Russians without provoking full-blown conflict.

    etc etc etc

    that wouldn't be a wise move the RuAF would wipe out the RAF in no time in Syria and fire a few cruise missiles at their bases in the UK

    The UK, no man, there just gonna blow up the air field they came from.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:51 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Godric wrote:http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/719885/Syria-civil-war-Andrew-Mitchell-says-NATO-planes-must-police-no-fly-zone-against-Russia

    British jets must be free to SHOOT DOWN Russian warplanes in Syria, says top Tory MP

    BRITISH warplanes should be given the green light to shoot down Russian jets over Syria to end the bloody civil war, a former Cabinet minister has demanded.

    Andrew Mitchell said the RAF should be used to confront Moscow's aircraft in the skies above Syria - downing them if necessary to prevent civilians being bombed in towns such as Aleppo.

    He brushed aside concerns that firing at a Russian jet could spark a new world war, saying the UK's involvement should be limited to defensive action only.

    The former international development secretary used the example of Turkey downing a Russian fighter jet which veered into its airspace last year to show how a strong defensive posture would fire a warning shot at the Russians without provoking full-blown conflict.

    etc etc etc

    that wouldn't be a wise move the RuAF would wipe out the RAF in no time in Syria and fire a few cruise missiles at their bases in the UK

    The UK, no man, there just gonna blow up the air field they came from.

    Just rubbish speculation. Even the UK is not that crazy.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Erk on Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:39 pm

    JohninMK wrote:

    Just rubbish speculation. Even the UK is not that crazy.

    The bankers that control the defense industry would love it, they want more war, it's good for business.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:17 am

    par far wrote:
    auslander wrote:Don't know if this article is truthful or not:

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/raf-given-green-light-shoot-133352631.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

    If it is true this ain't gonna be pretty.


    It is probably crap, if they target Russian planes, than theirs, will be targeted, so they won't do it.

    Yahoo is pure Zionist crap, so I would not put too much stock into this.

    This is so so so predictable..

    expect more and more reports like this. United states Gov will now pressure all its allies
    to move in the front against Russia and shields them. So now Uk says will shot down Russian plane. Tomorrow could be Australia, then France.. Is to pressure Russia to capitulate.
    This CONFIRM what i told ,that US gov ,cannot go in an open confrontation with Russia,
    because it does not have the Public support for that. If there will be a world war 3.. it cannot be
    with US military in the front line. never. It needs to start with US allies first in the front line..
    then later Russia beats them , then later Obama can use that to pull NATO into their help.

    Basically United States plan is to fight Russia to the Last European or middle east citizen.

    they cannot allow themselves to be seen as the one who started the open war.

    Because if an american warship sinks or F-22. the outrage of Americans will be of starting a civil war in US against their Government for provoking a war with Russia. The other strategy of Americans is to provoke Russia to say hostile things against Americans or Europe. like Russia to say.. that will shot down British plane. etc.. So that later British and American propaganda media will use Russian threats to turn public opinion against Russia.

    What Americans Gov and NATO are doing is simply.
    Seeking to manipulate public opinion.. nothing more and nothing else.
    into portraying Russia as an aggressor and as a nation that is commiting genocide
    and war crimes.. This is done so that they can justify any small military confrontation against Russia.

    This is why FALSE FLAGs , will be the order of the day.. The United Nations "Humanitarian"
    convoy was just one. the painted planes another. So expect NATO now in full scale False Flag/public opinion manipulation mode. To demonize Russia.

    This is why Russia do well is being polite ,and talk about already working in a cease of fire..
    etc etc etc. So that Russia cannot be framed effectively demonized on US and Europe.
    and this is why they now speaking about baning Russian media..

    Is Public Opinion folks ,to turn it against Russia , what NATO is hoping to achieve.




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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:25 am

    par far wrote:"RUSSIAN AIRCRAFT CARRIER ‘ADMIRAL KUZNETSOV’ IS ON WAY TO SYRIA – PHOTO".


    https://southfront.org/russian-aircraft-carrier-admiral-kuznetsov-is-on-way-to-syria-photo/




    "VIDEO: RUSSIAN DRONES DOMINATE THE SKY OVER LATAKIA AS AIRSTRIKES AID THE SYRIAN ARMY".


    https://southfront.org/video-russian-drones-dominate-the-sky-over-latakia-as-airstrikes-aid-the-syrian-army/



    This is painful to see.
    Russian tactics in LaTAkia are mediocre stupid and obsolete.

    You can see in the drone video ,how they waste their bombing on empty zones..and
    terrorist movements not touched.. not even close. No

    Notince how those rebels are not targeted directly and how they easily escape. They always escape , Artillery with spy drones is not ideal to target terrorist in trenches. Russia needs ATTACK DRONES. with lazer precision bombing. Like Predator drone. This is the major problem in Russia deployment in Syria. That their weapons are not ideal to counter very spread terrorist ,in trenches in mountains. Russia needs precision attack drones to liberate the mountains in latakia, but also in Aleppo.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Project Canada on Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:39 am

    Vann7 wrote:. Russia needs ATTACK DRONES. with lazer precision bombing. Like Predator drone. This is the major problem in Russia deployment in Syria. That their weapons are not ideal to counter very spread terrorist ,in trenches in mountains. Russia needs precision attack drones to liberate the mountains in latakia, but also in Aleppo.

    If only Altius-M is already in operation then RusAirforce would have something to fill this role, unfortunately testing of this drone has been going on for years and there is still no concrete date for its introduction..

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:04 am

    German MP Sara Wagenknecht: USA, Saudi Arabia and Qatar are responsible for the war in Syria








    Vann7 wrote:
    This is painful to see.
    Russian tactics in LaTAkia are mediocre stupid and obsolete.


    I advise you to start teaching Russian military about right way to conduct the war.  If they dont buy mybe you need to revise your thoughts?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:24 am

    Putin´s interview with TF1 frogs

    http://politikus.ru/v-rossii/85253-putin-my-ne-mozhem-pozvolit-terroristam-prikryvatsya-lyudmi.html



    []

    About accusations USA  

    In an interview with the President of Russia, a French journalist asked what the Kremlin thinks about tough rhetoric on Russia by the US and EU accusations of Moscow in the deaths of civilians in Aleppo. "This is political rhetoric, which does not have much sense and ignores the realities of what is happening in this country", — said Putin. He also added, chtoza the situation in Syria is the responsibility of the Western partners of Russia and especially the United States. The Russian leader has reminded that according to the similar scenario the situation has evolved in Libya and Iraq. But the activity of the West in these countries has led not to the triumph of democracy and prosperity in the world of terrorism. "Let's remember how excitedly all supported the "Arab spring". Well, that's where this optimism? How it all ended? Let's remember what was Libya or Iraq until such time as these States or of the state structure was not destroyed by forces different to our Western partners," — said Putin. He added that Libya and Iraq were not "examples of democracy", but "there just were absolutely no signs of terrorism." "From these territories did not pose a threat neither to Paris nor côte d'azur of France or to Belgium or to Russia or to the United States. Now it's a source of terrorist threat. Our goal is to the same not to allow in Syria", — concluded the President.
    []




    The bombing in Aleppo
    []
    The President also asked what he thinks about the aggressive rhetoric of the US and EU against Russia and accusations by Washington of Moscow in "war crimes" in Syria. The answer to this question Vladimir Putin appealed to the facts of recent history. "We forget, as American aircraft struck in Afghanistan at a hospital where the staff were killed "Doctors without borders"? Whole wedding for 100 people killed people in Afghanistan. And now in Yemen, what happened? At the funeral ceremony in one strike killed 140 people, 500 were wounded", — Putin said.
    []

    About the militants "Dzhabhat-EN-Nusra"*

    If Russia's aim in Syria's anti-terrorist purpose, why the Russian HQs are bombing Aleppo, where there is no "Islamic state"**, asked a French journalist. "The situation in Aleppo is now controlled by another terrorist organization "Dzhabhat EN-Nusra". It has always been considered a wing of "al-Qaeda"*** and included in the list of terrorist organizations of the UN — said Putin. The President was surprising that some countries, including the United States, "all the time trying to take it beyond these terrorist organizations." According to Putin, the state, conducting a policy to step on the same rake. "They want to use the potential of these radicals for political purposes. In this case, to combat President Assad and his government. Not realizing that they will not be able then to put what is called a "stall" and forced to live by civilization's rules".


    About the agreements with the United States

    Speaking about contacts between Moscow and Washington on the Syrian issue, the Russian President stressed that Russia has repeatedly agreed with the United States about the separation of "Dzhabhat EN-Nusra" and the so-called opposition. "Including in Aleppo. We even agree on terms. But nothing is done" — he explained.

    Источник: http://politikus.ru/v-rossii/85253-putin-my-ne-mozhem-pozvolit-terroristam-prikryvatsya-lyudmi.html
    Politikus.ru

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:49 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Godric wrote:http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/719885/Syria-civil-war-Andrew-Mitchell-says-NATO-planes-must-police-no-fly-zone-against-Russia

    British jets must be free to SHOOT DOWN Russian warplanes in Syria, says top Tory MP

    BRITISH warplanes should be given the green light to shoot down Russian jets over Syria to end the bloody civil war, a former Cabinet minister has demanded.

    Andrew Mitchell said the RAF should be used to confront Moscow's aircraft in the skies above Syria - downing them if necessary to prevent civilians being bombed in towns such as Aleppo.

    He brushed aside concerns that firing at a Russian jet could spark a new world war, saying the UK's involvement should be limited to defensive action only.

    The former international development secretary used the example of Turkey downing a Russian fighter jet which veered into its airspace last year to show how a strong defensive posture would fire a warning shot at the Russians without provoking full-blown conflict.

    etc etc etc

    that wouldn't be a wise move the RuAF would wipe out the RAF in no time in Syria and fire a few cruise missiles at their bases in the UK

    The UK, no man, there just gonna blow up the air field they came from.

    Just rubbish speculation. Even the UK is not that crazy.

    I wonder if the Tory MP realizes that if push comes to shove, Cypriots will choose Russia over Anglo Saxon Supremacy (A.S.S.) any day.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Firebird on Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:33 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Godric wrote:http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/719885/Syria-civil-war-Andrew-Mitchell-says-NATO-planes-must-police-no-fly-zone-against-Russia

    British jets must be free to SHOOT DOWN Russian warplanes in Syria, says top Tory MP

    BRITISH warplanes should be given the green light to shoot down Russian jets over Syria to end the bloody civil war, a former Cabinet minister has demanded.

    Andrew Mitchell said the RAF should be used to confront Moscow's aircraft in the skies above Syria - downing them if necessary to prevent civilians being bombed in towns such as Aleppo.

    He brushed aside concerns that firing at a Russian jet could spark a new world war, saying the UK's involvement should be limited to defensive action only.

    The former international development secretary used the example of Turkey downing a Russian fighter jet which veered into its airspace last year to show how a strong defensive posture would fire a warning shot at the Russians without provoking full-blown conflict.

    etc etc etc

    that wouldn't be a wise move the RuAF would wipe out the RAF in no time in Syria and fire a few cruise missiles at their bases in the UK

    The UK, no man, there just gonna blow up the air field they came from.

    Just rubbish speculation. Even the UK is not that crazy.

    I wonder if the Tory MP realizes that if push comes to shove, Cypriots will choose Russia over Anglo Saxon Supremacy (A.S.S.) any day.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Mitchell#.22Plebgate.22

    Mitchell is just scum and got sacked from the govt.
    He referred to a cop as a "pleb", telling him "know your place". And is well known for using such words.
    He also lied thro his teeth about the whole matter and lost a libel action.

    In England it basically means "scum"/underclass. And is used by so called "upper class" ie born rich individuals like Mitchell referring to the 94% of the popln that didn't have expensive private schooling/live in a manor house etc.

    Basically, he's considered an absolute jerkoff by most Brits and should be rotting in the ground. Coco the Clown would have more credibility in politics.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:38 am

    Firebird wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Mitchell#.22Plebgate.22

    Mitchell is just scum and got sacked from the govt.
    He referred to a cop as a "pleb", telling him "know your place". And is well known for using such words.
    He also lied thro his teeth about the whole matter and lost a libel action.

    In England it basically means "scum"/underclass. And is used by so called "upper class" ie born rich individuals like Mitchell referring to the 94% of the popln that didn't have expensive private schooling/live in a manor house etc.

    Basically, he's considered an absolute jerkoff by most Brits and should be rotting in the ground. Coco the Clown would have more credibility in politics.

    Well he is not alone ! in EU we have Elmar Brok supporter of moderate terrorist organizations and Antoni Maciarewicz who sees Russia as main sponsor of terrorism Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  The Ottoman on Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:36 pm

    Advisor to Turkish PM: Russia, Turkey only states that oppose collapse of Syria

    World October 12, 18:56 UTC+3

    ANKARA, October 12. /TASS/. Turkey and Russia stand out as the only countries that oppose the breakup of Syria, Senior Advisor to the Turkish Prime Minister Mehmet Akarca told Russian reporters on Wednesday.

    Akarca said that the West was seeking to gain dominance over the Middle East.

    "Those who were behind the creation of the Islamic State terrorist organization (banned in Russia) and those who are to plotting break up the region are the same actors as those who are scheming against Syria now," Akarca said. "At present, Turkey and Russia are the only nations that confront them."

    "Turkey and Russia are the only states that stand up to Syria’s territorial integrity,"
    he said in conclusion.

    More:
    http://tass.com/world/906107?

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    Post  calm on Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:43 pm

    From 5:55, nice strikes.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Godric on Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:14 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Godric wrote:http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/719885/Syria-civil-war-Andrew-Mitchell-says-NATO-planes-must-police-no-fly-zone-against-Russia

    British jets must be free to SHOOT DOWN Russian warplanes in Syria, says top Tory MP

    BRITISH warplanes should be given the green light to shoot down Russian jets over Syria to end the bloody civil war, a former Cabinet minister has demanded.

    Andrew Mitchell said the RAF should be used to confront Moscow's aircraft in the skies above Syria - downing them if necessary to prevent civilians being bombed in towns such as Aleppo.

    He brushed aside concerns that firing at a Russian jet could spark a new world war, saying the UK's involvement should be limited to defensive action only.

    The former international development secretary used the example of Turkey downing a Russian fighter jet which veered into its airspace last year to show how a strong defensive posture would fire a warning shot at the Russians without provoking full-blown conflict.

    etc etc etc

    that wouldn't be a wise move the RuAF would wipe out the RAF in no time in Syria and fire a few cruise missiles at their bases in the UK

    The UK, no man, there just gonna blow up the air field they came from.

    Just rubbish speculation. Even the UK is not that crazy.

    i don't know John .. a couple of years ago i would have agreed with you .... Teresa May's new government is something else it's bordering on taking a leaf out of Mein Kampf ... with each passing day they are becoming more unpredictable

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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:05 am

    Godric wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Godric wrote:http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/719885/Syria-civil-war-Andrew-Mitchell-says-NATO-planes-must-police-no-fly-zone-against-Russia

    British jets must be free to SHOOT DOWN Russian warplanes in Syria, says top Tory MP

    BRITISH warplanes should be given the green light to shoot down Russian jets over Syria to end the bloody civil war, a former Cabinet minister has demanded.

    Andrew Mitchell said the RAF should be used to confront Moscow's aircraft in the skies above Syria - downing them if necessary to prevent civilians being bombed in towns such as Aleppo.

    He brushed aside concerns that firing at a Russian jet could spark a new world war, saying the UK's involvement should be limited to defensive action only.

    The former international development secretary used the example of Turkey downing a Russian fighter jet which veered into its airspace last year to show how a strong defensive posture would fire a warning shot at the Russians without provoking full-blown conflict.

    etc etc etc

    that wouldn't be a wise move the RuAF would wipe out the RAF in no time in Syria and fire a few cruise missiles at their bases in the UK

    The UK, no man, there just gonna blow up the air field they came from.

    Just rubbish speculation. Even the UK is not that crazy.

    i  don't know John .. a couple of years ago i would have agreed with you .... Teresa May's new government is something else it's bordering on taking a leaf out of Mein Kampf ... with each passing day they are becoming more unpredictable
    Maybe, but the UK military is fully aware of just how vulnerable their base for operations against Syria at Akrotiri on Cyprus is. In any revenge attack it could be easily obliterated with very little collateral damage to Cyprus. Making it a no brainer target. Possibly even better and less noticeable to civilians would be the ELINT installation on a mountain top in Cyprus.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:28 am

    The Ottoman wrote:Advisor to Turkish PM: Russia, Turkey only states that oppose collapse of Syria

    World  October 12, 18:56 UTC+3

    ANKARA, October 12. /TASS/. Turkey and Russia stand out as the only countries that oppose the breakup of Syria, Senior Advisor to the Turkish Prime Minister Mehmet Akarca told Russian reporters on Wednesday.

    Akarca said that the West was seeking to gain dominance over the Middle East.

    "Those who were behind the creation of the Islamic State terrorist organization (banned in Russia) and those who are to plotting break up the region are the same actors as those who are scheming against Syria now," Akarca said. "At present, Turkey and Russia are the only nations that confront them."

    "Turkey and Russia are the only states that stand up to Syria’s territorial integrity,"
    he said in conclusion.

    More:
    http://tass.com/world/906107?


    Well this would mean Turkey is going to cross ASS (anglo-saxon supremacy) and zionist interests. Not sure if this is true though.




    JohninMK wrote:
    i  don't know John .. a couple of years ago i would have agreed with you .... Teresa May's new government is something else it's bordering on taking a leaf out of Mein Kampf ... with each passing day they are becoming more unpredictable[/quote]
    Maybe, but the UK military is fully aware of just how vulnerable their base for operations against Syria at Akrotiri on Cyprus is. In any revenge attack it could be easily obliterated with very little collateral damage to Cyprus. Making it a no brainer target. Possibly even better and less noticeable to civilians would be the ELINT installation on a mountain top in Cyprus.[/quote]


    If UK would try to shoot Russian planes this means they are ready for nukes to fly as well. I am not sure if western regimes are so desperate to avoid economic reality which is inevitably coming.

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:22 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    The Ottoman wrote:Advisor to Turkish PM: Russia, Turkey only states that oppose collapse of Syria

    World  October 12, 18:56 UTC+3

    ANKARA, October 12. /TASS/. Turkey and Russia stand out as the only countries that oppose the breakup of Syria, Senior Advisor to the Turkish Prime Minister Mehmet Akarca told Russian reporters on Wednesday.

    Akarca said that the West was seeking to gain dominance over the Middle East.

    "Those who were behind the creation of the Islamic State terrorist organization (banned in Russia) and those who are to plotting break up the region are the same actors as those who are scheming against Syria now," Akarca said. "At present, Turkey and Russia are the only nations that confront them."

    "Turkey and Russia are the only states that stand up to Syria’s territorial integrity,"
    he said in conclusion.

    More:
    http://tass.com/world/906107?


    Well this would mean Turkey is going to cross ASS (anglo-saxon supremacy) and zionist interests. Not sure if this is true though.




    JohninMK wrote:
    i  don't know John .. a couple of years ago i would have agreed with you .... Teresa May's new government is something else it's bordering on taking a leaf out of Mein Kampf ... with each passing day they are becoming more unpredictable
    Maybe, but the UK military is fully aware of just how vulnerable their base for operations against Syria at Akrotiri on Cyprus is. In any revenge attack it could be easily obliterated with very little collateral damage to Cyprus. Making it a no brainer target. Possibly even better and less noticeable to civilians would be the ELINT installation on a mountain top in Cyprus.[/quote]


    If UK would try to shoot Russian planes this means they are ready for nukes to fly as well. I am not sure if western regimes are so desperate to avoid economic reality which is inevitably coming.[/quote]

    I was stationed at Akrotiri, and the two mountain bases of Troodos and Mount Olympus (very top of mountain next to Cypriot army base), and i can tell you that none of the bases have any air defence. Troodos was guarded by ourselves which was 4 guys on the main gate and 4 guys on rest day, and mount Olympus which had 4-5 guys, and the only weapons we had were SA-80 and LSW, and had a Landrover for transport. Akrotiri had a few fixed wing which was mostly Typhoons and sometimes Tornado but there was times when no fixed wing were present and the Americans had U2's stationed there. The base is pretty exposed and only naval assets were a few RIBS and occasional visit of a something larger. The mole their was even guarded. As for troops at Akrotiri there was a few Cypriot security (unarmed) and one solider on the gate, there was also a few military police on the base armed with pistols, and there was us which acted as QRF which consisted of 4 guys in a landrover yet again armed with SA-80 and LSW, and that was it. from the sea the base is totally exposed and only light fencing around the base. The base we were garrisoned in was Episkopi and that was where most of the Infantry battalion was based. And you also have Dhekelia base which is also infantry base with small airfield for helicopters You also had a small base in Ayios Nikolaos Station which is a joint UK/USA operation which a signals base. Most of the infantry based on the island were in the light role of landrovers, trucks, and occasionally Saxon APC, and i think now they have foxhounds which is a small MRAP vehicle. But no major assets, small arms and ATGW, 81mm mortars, HMG and thats about it for infantry. So yeah pretty exposed in my eyes.

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