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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Aug 02, 2016 5:12 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    auslander wrote:Seems divine retribution is ongoing. We live near Belbek and last evening and night was quite noisy. Been the same off and on all day this day.

    Belbek? Are Backfire bombers stationed there by any chance?

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    They're hitting the lines in front of the theatre. Kafr Halab and Idlib are being indiscriminately bombed. It's a real mess. And the IS has SVBIEDed the fuck out of JaF operating base. Over 30 killed including commanders.

    That would be Jaish all Fatah right? I do love tango on tango stuff in such auspicious times.

    Yes, Idlib is getting hot for Beard on Beard encounters.

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    Post  Resistance on Tue Aug 02, 2016 5:28 pm

    About time to give jihadists a surprise. Tu-22M3s operating from Latakia. Now that would be something cheers

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:32 pm

    not good news. On the other hand i can only hope the SAA etc can hold out because if they do the terrorists will have lost a shit load of fighters. Then the SAA etc can crack on with taking Aleppo before turning towards other areas.

    jihadists advance in Aleppo amid bid to lift siege

    In Ramouseh district, several Army troops were reported dead when the hardline militants in Sukkari district detonated a tunnel under a building used as a barrack.

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/field-report-jihadists-aleppo-advance-amid-bid-lift-siege-map-update/





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    Post  Project Canada on Tue Aug 02, 2016 10:00 pm


    The problem is that the Jihadist dogs can play as dirty as they could to score points, civilian deaths caused by their actions wont discredit them cause American MSM will turn a blind eye anyway, but God forbid SAA killing Terrorists posing as civilians cause MSM will Bitch about it for weeks!! Rolling Eyes Please just once I want the whole area under Jihadist pigs leveled to the ground with every single Terrorist cockroach dead angry

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    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:54 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    In Ramouseh district, several Army troops were reported dead when the hardline militants in Sukkari district detonated a tunnel under a building used as a barrack.

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/field-report-jihadists-aleppo-advance-amid-bid-lift-siege-map-update/


    Rebels offensive on Ramouseh was successfully repelled. The rebels is reported to suffer heavy casualties.

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-rolls-back-jihadist-gains-southern-aleppo/

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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:44 am

    Do you have something like the cancerous political correctness in favor of US politics or something?

    The link you gave says JIHADI, you are calling them rebels. There are no rebels in syria there are only terrorists and mercenaries and these things go hand in hand in ME. They only attack there for what the master pays. They always claim to to israel, never attack Israel, they say they want to bring sharia law in all ME why not attack Mecca and seize the capital to send a message?

    Please people stop this madness with political correctness and pure propaganda.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:59 am

    There are no mercenaries in Syria because mercenaries, by definition, have no ideology. If they have an ideology they believe in, they are not mercenaries even if they receive regular payments for fighting.

    Would Jihadi fighters switch sides and start fighting alongside Shias and Christians against other Sunnis if Assad gave them more money? They wouldn't. A true mercenary wouldn't even think for a second.

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    Post  eehnie on Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:29 am

    sepheronx wrote:The Russians knew the risks. They are fighting a conflict that is difficult all around, with very incompetent ally and enemies with lots of weapons.  Yet, in the entirety of this conflict, they lost few (21 now?) and as much as it is sad, they knew that casualties will happen and always do. Happened for US, France, Canada, etc everywhere.  Sad but realities of a war.  If it was just planes, doubt any would face issue besides the Su-24 incident.  But when helicopters and guys on the ground appear, then it is bound to happen.

    Yes, unfortunately, you are right. Most of the human loses are from helicopters in military campaigns like this.

    And this is still a war, where the islamic side has very low level of antiaircraft weapons (because their allies fear to give them the guns to avoid loses in their own aircrafts).

    But still helicopters are fragile. This is why I talk about a review of the entire concept of helicopter.

    There is a way to avoid these casualties in helicopters in the future, and it is to make the helicopters unmanned, avoiding also, of course, the transport of people in contested areas, except maybe for wounded soldiers. Russia (and surely the rest of the countries) will go for it, for their next generation of helicopters. Today makes not sense to begin a new project of helicopter that tries not to be unmanned. The first unmanned helicopters should come around 2030.

    Out of this, Russia has been following a very good strategy with the use of aircrafts. They are using the right tactics and the best type of aircrafts to avoid casualties today in these circumstances.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:31 am

    eehnie wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:The Russians knew the risks. They are fighting a conflict that is difficult all around, with very incompetent ally and enemies with lots of weapons.  Yet, in the entirety of this conflict, they lost few (21 now?) and as much as it is sad, they knew that casualties will happen and always do. Happened for US, France, Canada, etc everywhere.  Sad but realities of a war.  If it was just planes, doubt any would face issue besides the Su-24 incident.  But when helicopters and guys on the ground appear, then it is bound to happen.

    Yes, unfortunately, you are right. Most of the human loses are from helicopters in military campaigns like this.

    And this is still a war, where the islamic side has very low level of antiaircraft weapons (because their allies fear to give them the guns to avoid loses in their own aircrafts).

    But still helicopters are fragile. This is why I talk about a review of the entire concept of helicopter.

    There is a way to avoid these casualties in helicopters in the future, and it is to make the helicopters unmanned, avoiding also, of course, the transport of people in contested areas, except maybe for wounded soldiers. Russia (and surely the rest of the countries) will go for it, for their next generation of helicopters. Today makes not sense to begin a new project of helicopter that tries not to be unmanned. The first unmanned helicopters should come around 2030.

    Out of this, Russia has been following a very good strategy with the use of aircrafts. They are using the right tactics and the best type of aircrafts to avoid casualties today in these circumstances.

    Overexposure in such a campaign is alas unavoidable. They just can't get the right manpower.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:16 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    auslander wrote:Seems divine retribution is ongoing. We live near Belbek and last evening and night was quite noisy. Been the same off and on all day this day.

    They're hitting the lines in front of the theatre. Kafr Halab and Idlib are being indiscriminately bombed. It's a real mess. And the IS has SVBIEDed the fuck out of JaF operating base. Over 30 killed including commanders.

    So after Kafr Halab, they're bombing Kafr Naha and Al Atarib.

    VKS still in the house...



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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:28 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:There are no mercenaries in Syria because mercenaries, by definition, have no ideology. If they have an ideology they believe in, they are not mercenaries even if they receive regular payments for fighting.

    Would Jihadi fighters switch sides and start fighting alongside Shias and Christians against other Sunnis if Assad gave them more money? They wouldn't. A true mercenary wouldn't even think for a second.

    Retard the only definition of mercanary is they work for money that does not make them impartial to politics or ideologies. They are paid huge amount of money, that is the definition of mercanairy. They constantly switch the terrorist groups from Al-CIAda, FSA, ISIS and all the other founded, paid and organized terror groups who belong to Israel, USA, Turkey, Qatar and Saudis. They are the financers.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:32 pm

    Indication that reserves are on the move...



    Hit less than 30 minutes ago around al Hatarib...

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Project Canada on Wed Aug 03, 2016 1:36 pm



    Russian Foreign Ministry Rules Out Offensive on Syria's Aleppo

    Russia's deputy foreign minister ruled out any plans Moscow's offensive on the Syrian city of Aleppo and underscored that Russia's goal in the region was confined to conducting a humanitarian operation only.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Russia has no intentions of launching an offensive on Syria's Aleppo and is carrying out a purely humanitarian operation, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said Wednesday.

    "There are no plans of an offensive in Aleppo neither by Syrian forces, nor through airstrikes by the Russian Aerospace Forces," Ryabkov told reporters. "Absolutely false and harmful interpretations of our actions are voiced by certain circles in Washington."

    Wtf is this?? Is Russia saying okay we will stop bombing Terrorists and let them take over SAA controlled areas in Aleppo to please America? Rolling Eyes

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:18 pm

    https://www.facebook.com/syrian.reporters/videos/1130052390373666/

    Guess who?


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:04 pm

    Project Canada wrote:

    Russian Foreign Ministry Rules Out Offensive on Syria's Aleppo

    Russia's deputy foreign minister ruled out any plans Moscow's offensive on the Syrian city of Aleppo and underscored that Russia's goal in the region was confined to conducting a humanitarian operation only.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Russia has no intentions of launching an offensive on Syria's Aleppo and is carrying out a purely humanitarian operation, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said Wednesday.

    "There are no plans of an offensive in Aleppo neither by Syrian forces, nor through airstrikes by the Russian Aerospace Forces," Ryabkov told reporters. "Absolutely false and harmful interpretations of our actions are voiced by certain circles in Washington."

    Wtf is this?? Is Russia saying okay we will stop bombing Terrorists and let them take over SAA controlled areas in Aleppo to please America? Rolling Eyes
    More like no Russian boots on the ground, just letting the SyAA get on with it, starving them out of Aleppo as it would cost to many lives to take the city street by street. Plus boots in the air, lots of humanitarian boots and a few advisors.

    The longer it goes on the more terrorists will die trying to save their buddies inside as desperate messages come over the airways. Good time of year for a seige, lots of water needed!

    Good plan.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:37 pm

    Project Canada wrote:

    Wtf is this?? Is Russia saying okay we will stop bombing Terrorists and let them take over SAA controlled areas in Aleppo to please America? Rolling Eyes

    Relax man you are panicking for no reason. This is foreign ministry, their job is to sound relaxing.

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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:56 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    The longer it goes on the more terrorists will die trying to save their buddies inside as desperate messages come over the airways. Good time of year for a seige, lots of water needed!

    Good plan.


    This...

    Russia is playing an attrition war on NATO in syria. The more the war last , the worse for
    their image. Russia understand that the war will not end even if Syria takes 100% of its
    territory back , because NATO can continue sending more fresh waves of dozens of thousands jihadist for a whole decade. and when no more terrorist left , SYria will still need to deal with
    Turkey army , Jornanian Army and Israel Army and many NATO private mercenaries and with a very weakened and reduced force.


    I think Russia is counting on time to work in their favor , and until now it have been more or less true but not at the expense on civilian casualties. which will happen any way if NATO invades. By having aleppo under siege and doing humanitarian corridors , they can still fight
    in self defense of civilians trying to flee and slowly bleed the terrorist and slowly force them to surrender with full amnesty. Until in the end there is no more civilians left.

    What is also very clear is that Russia will make sure ,that none of the zones Terrorist control
    can be prosperous or have a normal life .Civilians will need electricity ,water and food and something to do.. and this will be a major pressure to the terrorist , living in a city doomed
    to fail. This also will encourage other terrorist worldwide to not go there ,and experience
    and very long war , with them starving. at the same time NATO and their middle east coalition will go broke , with the war ,by their training of jihadist ,supplying them with food and weapons and munitions.  Here the major question in Syria is Turkey.. this is the nation that is more dangerous for Syria and the one Russia needs to keep as much distanced from Syria as possible
    So that if even Turkey continues to fight Syria , that it will be not directly but by proxy.

    BEcause in a direct war of Turkey with Syria , will force Russia to fight Turkey back ,and this will
    drag things to another level that Russia will like to prefer to avoid for economic and political reasons , if Russia will go to war , it cannot be with Turkey or Poland or baltics or any nation in Europe. If RUssia have to go to a limited war , im sure they will prefer it to be United States.
    Because that way , that is to take the fight to the source . and provoke a major civil war in America after the a few US planes shut down by Russia or a warship sink in self defense.

    If Russia ends winning in Syria , with this slow war , it will teach NATO a lesson ,that it cannot
    win a proxy war with Russia ,because Russia will freeze the conflict and will stay firm in their defense of their interest. Russia is playing a defensive war. that can allow Russia to have the
    moral high ground and political too.  In the Korean War for example , it took Americans 2 years
    of more fighting ,to give a last try. This is because Americans also have an internal dateline of until when they can continue fighting.So the Russia-US cease of fire began in 2016 , so around 2018 if the conflict if freeze and Russia handles well the defense without too much economic burden.. then they will give up.  

    people need to remember ,that the ultimate goal of the neocons with Syrian war ,is Russia itself and not Syria. Is Economic warfare on Russia to collapse Russia economy ,to destroy Russia army and airforce image and break the unity of Russian citizens with Russian government and provoke civil unrest. and after Russia economy crash ,more easier provoke
    a soviet union style collapse again in Russia.   IRAN in the other hand , conflict with Russia is that they want to create a corridor to Israel to more easily fight them. and Russia will do everything possible to not allow IRAN to use Syria ,for its personal war with Israel. To not drag
    Russia into a fight with them either.

    So RUssia and even more importantly Syria , needs to fight a mostly defensive long war
    and avoid as much as possible casualties. The real winning of the Syrian war ,is not about capturing territory in general terms speaking , but more about to exhaust economically ,physically and morally the enemy in a long attrition war. So that if NATO or terrorist occupy any territory in Syria ,to make sure it will be useless for them ,by encircling it and blocking . The vietnam war is a perfect example of an atrition war.. that in the worse case ,
    vietcong lost most of the battles but in the end won the war ,because Americans could not
    continue funding the war.
    any supplies vital for they to continue fighting.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Resistance on Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:56 pm

    Project Canada wrote:

    Russian Foreign Ministry Rules Out Offensive on Syria's Aleppo

    Russia's deputy foreign minister ruled out any plans Moscow's offensive on the Syrian city of Aleppo and underscored that Russia's goal in the region was confined to conducting a humanitarian operation only.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Russia has no intentions of launching an offensive on Syria's Aleppo and is carrying out a purely humanitarian operation, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said Wednesday.

    "There are no plans of an offensive in Aleppo neither by Syrian forces, nor through airstrikes by the Russian Aerospace Forces," Ryabkov told reporters. "Absolutely false and harmful interpretations of our actions are voiced by certain circles in Washington."

    Wtf is this?? Is Russia saying okay we will stop bombing Terrorists and let them take over SAA controlled areas in Aleppo to please America? Rolling Eyes

    Apparently so. 18 tons of humanitarian aid sent to Aleppo in the middle of the biggest battle on the planet. Russia is risking the lives of its service members like they are worth nothing.

    https://www.rt.com/in-motion/354379-russian-humanitarian-convoy-syria/

    Since February 27 with the fake ceasefire deal, the Russian base in Latakia is nothing but a reconciliation center, publishing daily fake report of hundreds of settlements reconciled.

    https://twitter.com/mod_russia

    A few months from now, a huge tunnel bomb will explode under the Russian base in Latakia killing hundreds of Russian service members.

    Like I said. Putin is too soft and he needs to be voted out in 2018 to save the lives of Russian service members.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:03 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Retard the only definition of mercanary is they work for money that does not make them impartial to politics or ideologies. They are paid huge amount of money, that is the definition of mercanairy. They constantly switch the terrorist groups from Al-CIAda, FSA, ISIS and all the other founded, paid and organized terror groups who belong to Israel, USA, Turkey, Qatar and Saudis. They are the financers.

    I have to side with Walther this time. The jihadi's warlords are White House's c**ksuckers, but their soldiers may be pure fanatics who are brainwashed by these warlords.

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    Post  Resistance on Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:15 pm

    A few months from now, a huge tunnel bomb will explode under the Russian base / reconciliation center. They are digging. Don't think they won't do it. It will be a tragedy, costing the lives of hundreds of Russian servicemen.

    I'm telling you now, and you will say I am a hater of Putin blah blah blah. You will see when the time comes, I am right, you are wrong, Putin is too soft.


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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:15 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Retard the only definition of mercanary is they work for money that does not make them impartial to politics or ideologies. They are paid huge amount of money, that is the definition of mercanairy. They constantly switch the terrorist groups from Al-CIAda, FSA, ISIS and all the other founded, paid and organized terror groups who belong to Israel, USA, Turkey, Qatar and Saudis. They are the financers.

    I have to side with Walther this time. The jihadi's warlords are White House's c**ksuckers, but their soldiers may be pure fanatics who are brainwashed by these warlords.

    Then you both are not the brightest. It does not matter what ideology someone has if he is paid for mercenary work it is a mercenary. As soon as the money stops flowing people will stop fighting, because there is nothing for them to gain fighting a freaking army. That is the only definition of mercenary.


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    Post  Resistance on Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:53 am

    It seems odd Russia MOD does not report any of its military actions in Syria like it used to before February 27. Every day there's a stupid fake reconciliation report. Razz

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    Post  eehnie on Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:15 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:The Russians knew the risks. They are fighting a conflict that is difficult all around, with very incompetent ally and enemies with lots of weapons.  Yet, in the entirety of this conflict, they lost few (21 now?) and as much as it is sad, they knew that casualties will happen and always do. Happened for US, France, Canada, etc everywhere.  Sad but realities of a war.  If it was just planes, doubt any would face issue besides the Su-24 incident.  But when helicopters and guys on the ground appear, then it is bound to happen.

    Yes, unfortunately, you are right. Most of the human loses are from helicopters in military campaigns like this.

    And this is still a war, where the islamic side has very low level of antiaircraft weapons (because their allies fear to give them the guns to avoid loses in their own aircrafts).

    But still helicopters are fragile. This is why I talk about a review of the entire concept of helicopter.

    There is a way to avoid these casualties in helicopters in the future, and it is to make the helicopters unmanned, avoiding also, of course, the transport of people in contested areas, except maybe for wounded soldiers. Russia (and surely the rest of the countries) will go for it, for their next generation of helicopters. Today makes not sense to begin a new project of helicopter that tries not to be unmanned. The first unmanned helicopters should come around 2030.

    Out of this, Russia has been following a very good strategy with the use of aircrafts. They are using the right tactics and the best type of aircrafts to avoid casualties today in these circumstances.

    Overexposure in such a campaign is alas unavoidable. They just can't get the right manpower.

    I tend to think that Russia is working in Syria like they want. I do not think they want big manpower on the ground. They are going to a minimum risk but effective aid to the Syrian government.

    But still the helicopters are emerging (and it also happened to other countries) as a type of warfare where it is more difficult to keep the risks under control all the time. It makes as example the transition to unmanned technologies more urgent on helicopters than for other manned aircrafts.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:38 am

    eehnie wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:The Russians knew the risks. They are fighting a conflict that is difficult all around, with very incompetent ally and enemies with lots of weapons.  Yet, in the entirety of this conflict, they lost few (21 now?) and as much as it is sad, they knew that casualties will happen and always do. Happened for US, France, Canada, etc everywhere.  Sad but realities of a war.  If it was just planes, doubt any would face issue besides the Su-24 incident.  But when helicopters and guys on the ground appear, then it is bound to happen.

    Yes, unfortunately, you are right. Most of the human loses are from helicopters in military campaigns like this.

    And this is still a war, where the islamic side has very low level of antiaircraft weapons (because their allies fear to give them the guns to avoid loses in their own aircrafts).

    But still helicopters are fragile. This is why I talk about a review of the entire concept of helicopter.

    There is a way to avoid these casualties in helicopters in the future, and it is to make the helicopters unmanned, avoiding also, of course, the transport of people in contested areas, except maybe for wounded soldiers. Russia (and surely the rest of the countries) will go for it, for their next generation of helicopters. Today makes not sense to begin a new project of helicopter that tries not to be unmanned. The first unmanned helicopters should come around 2030.

    Out of this, Russia has been following a very good strategy with the use of aircrafts. They are using the right tactics and the best type of aircrafts to avoid casualties today in these circumstances.

    Overexposure in such a campaign is alas unavoidable. They just can't get the right manpower.

    I tend to think that Russia is working in Syria like they want. I do not think they want big manpower on the ground. They are going to a minimum risk but effective aid to the Syrian government.

    But still the helicopters are emerging (and it also happened to other countries) as a type of warfare where it is more difficult to keep the risks under control all the time. It makes as example the transition to unmanned technologies more urgent on helicopters than for other manned aircrafts.

    By manpower I was aiming at Syrian troops. They aren't ready to be a supporting force for many reasons. Risk adverse militaries I know, but the Russian one isn't. The problem is that Russia is trying to overcome the manpower issue with a combination on fast CAS and helicopters. This tragedy here isn't due to CAS, but to something else. So let the inquiry find out why this CSAR Mil found its way on Idlib airspace and how it was shot.

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