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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:04 pm

    Vann7 wrote:SNipers cannot defeat armored trucks with full of bombs while staying at safe distance from
    the destruction zone. Even if they manage to kill the driver , the truck explosives will wipe or wound any sniper withing ~1k of the place.

    just one terrorist humvee with TNT look what it can do.

    .....

    any sniper there will be killed with one truck bomb.

    You are right. It is pointless to send advanced equipment to SAA. It might be damaged by unstoppable terrorist's truck-bombs.

    Best solution is for SAA to send one suicide bomber to stop enemy SVIBED. Sacrifice one useless grunt to save several.

    And that one SAA waste of air will find purpose in death that he never had in life.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Vann7 on Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:15 am

    Project Canada wrote:
    Why not bomb Jihadist staging areas where they prep their bomb trucks? Because of civilian human shields? Thats too bad cause US is immune to such strategy, look at Manjib where 40 civs were reportedly killed after US bombing. I dont know whats holding Russia back but I wish they know what they're doing, i mean if forumers like us can see whats wrong and what needs to be done, they should know too right??

    Because RUssia needs to fight in Syria Under the Rules of the American controlled world.
    Russia economy depends a lot on the west and do not want sanctions or be isolated from Europe.

    So if Russia goes a just nuke the hell of any place terrorist hide ,regardless of civilians ,the war will be over in a day. Or if bomb cities terrorist control every inch of it, Russia will be accused of genocide of millions . just like Germany was ,and forced to pay money to the victims.
    This is why i say Russia needs to be completely independent from western world. and not care about any sanction.  Putin's leaderless Russia ,  that follows what their american partners tells them to do,is what allows Russia to be a punching bag of the west and humiliated it every time.   If US Army was fighting for real terrorist , they will wipe them easy , starve them to death with no humanitarian help on any siege and drop chemical weapons on Cities controlled by rebels. they will have license to do any thing without any care for any international laws. Cities like IDLIB or raqqa that are hotbead for Sunni extremist have welcomed Alqaeda since the start..
    so the same population even if "liberated" will continue cooperating with terror.



    Best solution is for SAA to send one suicide bomber to stop enemy SVIBED. Sacrifice one useless grunt to save several. And that one SAA waste of air will find purpose in death that he never had in life.


    What works for alnusra can also work for Syrian army. So they could do that too and it will work. To fill a half a dozen of BMP with TNT and rush to terrorist lines and blow them up..
    Will work wonders. This will be far better than they surrendering to the terrorist as sometimes they do.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Resistance on Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:21 am

    I'm worried about the Latakia base. If Aleppo falls, and it sure looks that way, Latakia cannot hold against millions of jihadists. Russia needs to plan what to do with the Latakia base immediately.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Resistance on Sun Aug 07, 2016 3:10 am

    SAA says Russian air force refused SAA request to participate in the Aleppo battle.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/4wipwk/%D8%A8%D8%B9%D8%AF_%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%87%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%B1_%D8%AC%D9%8A%D8%B4_%D8%A8%D8%B4%D8%A7%D8%B1_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AF_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%A1_%D8%AD%D8%B3%D9%86_%D9%8A%D8%B1%D8%AC%D9%88_%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A7/

    This seems to confirm Russia's official statement that Russia will not help SAA in Aleppo.

    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160803/1043889570/russia-aleppo-offensive-ryabkov.html


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Kriva on Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:39 am

    Russia just go home.
    STOP prolonging this agony.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  OminousSpudd on Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:04 pm

    Kriva wrote:Russia just go home.
    STOP prolonging this agony.
    Hello ignore list my old friend...

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Kriva on Sun Aug 07, 2016 1:07 pm

    OminousSpudd has been successfully added to your Foe List Smile

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 07, 2016 2:38 pm

    Even if they manage to kill the driver , the truck explosives will wipe or wound any sniper withing ~1k of the place.

    Even a load of ten tons of explosive on the back of a truck will not be lethal to 1km range.

    And if the threat is a truck loaded with explosives then why waste time using a sniper to deal with the threat?

    An RPG, or even obsolete ATGM like AT-3 or AT-5 or captured TOWs would be ideal weapons to deal with such a low tech threat at extended range. Even an obsolete old SPG-9 recoilless rifle would do an excellent job, though a ZU-23-2 towed anti aircraft gun would also be perfectly capable of demolishing any truck platform.

    What Russia needs to do is start testing more powerful air to ground munitions.

    Use Syria as a testing ground for more potent weapons and let ISIS be the guinea pigs.

    They could also test armed drones in a real situation without risking air crew.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Resistance on Sun Aug 07, 2016 3:33 pm

    Americans got what they wanted, a test of Russia military's true capabilities.

    The super duper Syria army was said to be the best in the Middle East. It was exposed as an incompetent force in the Syria war. Israel can annex Syria within weeks if Israel wants to.

    The super duper Russia military was said to be one of the best in the world. Syria war exposed the incompetence of Russia military. If thousands of jihadists invade Russia using SVBIEDs, all the major cities would be ruined by bombing. Russia airstrikes are woefully inadequate and lack precision bombs and thermobaric bombs.

    If Russia cannot stop jihadist in Syria, then no way Russia can stop jihadists in Russia. Heck, Americans realize, we don't need a grand army of NATO, Japan, Australia to kill every Russian man, woman, child, we can do that using thousands of jihadists armed with SVBIEDS. What's Russia gonna do? Use nukes on its own major cities?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Kriva on Sun Aug 07, 2016 3:59 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Even if they manage to kill the driver , the truck explosives will wipe or wound any sniper withing ~1k of the place.

    What Russia needs to do is start testing more powerful air to ground munitions.

    Use Syria as a testing ground for more potent weapons and let ISIS be the guinea pigs.

    They could also test armed drones in a real situation without risking air crew.

    Agree with you 100%

    Iran has presented some armed drone a year ago. What are they waiting for ?
    Aleppo airport isn't safest but it might be used for drone strikes.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Resistance on Sun Aug 07, 2016 5:12 pm

    The Syria war exposed Russia military's weakness. Russia's air force is said to be the best and most modern branch of Russia military. Yet it is useless in Syria. Russia realized the need to develop MALE UCAV planes. 24 7 monitoring of the battlefield, ready to strike at a moment's notice, at fast moving targets, using precision guided missiles. Lack of intel is also a weakness that needs to be addressed.

    If NATO, Japan, Australia and their jihadist proxies invade Russia today, much of Russia would be quickly overrun and in ruins based on the pathetic performance of Russia military in Syria. Heck, it would be a bigger fuck up compared to the opening days of the Great Patriot War.

    Syria war is the westerner's test of Russia military. See how competent and effective Russia military really is. And so far Russia military is disappointing in Syria considering how hyped it was.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Aug 07, 2016 5:42 pm

    Russia hardly cares about Aleppo. I sense the Russians are only keen on maintaining order and unified, territorial integrity in Latakia and Tartous (done). Then it's important for them to keep Homs and Damascus cities in relative order (mostly achieved). Also for Russia a route from the coast all the way to Palmyra is important for future pipeline politics (mostly achieved too).

    Aleppo, Raqqa and Deir Ezor is Iran's problem, with their whole Shia axis politics at risk.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Resistance on Sun Aug 07, 2016 6:25 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:Russia hardly cares about Aleppo. I sense the Russians are only keen on maintaining order and unified, territorial integrity in Latakia and Tartous (done). Then it's important for them to keep Homs and Damascus cities in relative order (mostly achieved). Also for Russia a route from the coast all the way to Palmyra is important for future pipeline politics (mostly achieved too).

    Aleppo, Raqqa and Deir Ezor is Iran's problem, with their whole Shia axis politics at risk.

    Latakia and Tartus cannot hold if Aleppo falls. If Aleppo falls, millions of SVBIEDs will rush the Hmeimim base. Even now, jihadists are digging a tunnel to under the Hmeimim base. A few months from now, boom, the Hmeimim base will be blown up by a massive tunnel bomb and every Russian serviceman in Syria will be dead.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Project Canada on Sun Aug 07, 2016 7:05 pm


    @Resistance, if you have such valuable information regarding tunnel bombs being digged to destroy Hmeimim airbase, may i suggest that you relay your information to the Russian ministry of defence? They have a contact us link on the top left of their website.,

    http://eng.mil.ru

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Resistance on Sun Aug 07, 2016 7:11 pm

    Project Canada wrote:
    @Resistance, if you have such valuable information regarding  tunnel bombs being digged to destroy Hmeimim airbase, may i suggest that you relay your information to the Russian ministry of defence? They have a contact us link on the top left of their website.,

    http://eng.mil.ru

    Yes they are digging a tunnel bomb to the Hmeimim base right now. These fags only have 2 tricks up their sleeves. Tunnel bombs and car bombs. These fags desecrated the bodies of 5 Russian servicemen after they shot down that Mi-8. These fags want to be martyrs and get 72 virgins. These fags are not afraid to fight the Russian army unlike Ukrainian soldiers who do. Ukrainian soldiers value their lives. These fags do not.

    I am Chinese. I do not speak Russian. It would be better for someone who does to contact the MOD. If that tunnel bomb is not stopped and explodes, hundreds of Russian servicemen would be dead.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:36 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:Russia hardly cares about Aleppo. I sense the Russians are only keen on maintaining order and unified, territorial integrity in Latakia and Tartous (done). Then it's important for them to keep Homs and Damascus cities in relative order (mostly achieved). Also for Russia a route from the coast all the way to Palmyra is important for future pipeline politics (mostly achieved too).

    Aleppo, Raqqa and Deir Ezor is Iran's problem, with their whole Shia axis politics at risk.

    Indeed, the primary objectives of the Russian intervention have been achieved.
    But that does not mean that the secondary objectives will be neglected.
    At the moment, the focal point of the conflict is Aleppo. The terrorists and their backers are throwing everything at it.
    I think we will see some more bloody battles in the next few days.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Resistance on Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:47 pm

    Russian planes bomb the shit out of fags in Ramouseh

    https://twitter.com/hamza_780/status/762343397361381376

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Vann7 on Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:38 pm



    @Resistance

    If your chinese , then it is really shameful that Chinese people are not presuring their government to give a hand Russia in Syria. There is a millions of things China could do to ease
    the operations for Russia ,that is literary ALONE in Syria saving it from falling to NATO backed Alqaeda and ISIS terrorist. If China is concerned about losing soldiers , they can send drones
    ,spy drones to help Russian Airforce keep an eye of the movements of the terrorist at all times
    in the most crucial moments. China can also help with Humanitarian help too , and ease the burden of Russia that needs not only to provide weapons to Syria but also food. China can help also by sending 1 warship of the hundreds they have ,to search for NATO submarines ,mines and help Russia with their security. China can even give away drones to Syria ,so many things they can do , but do NOTHING. And all this applies to India. Two major powers , that observe how Russia is under a proxy war by NATO and just do nothing to help Russia. When China was under threat in the Korean war , NATO getting close to their borders ,Russia send pilots and migs planes to fight Americans. and it made a major contribution shutting down hundreds of Americans and its allies planes.

    When it comes to Latakia , is a very mountainous ,very dense vegetation ,very hard to move zone. This is in most places. So terrorist tactics of speed attacks using trucks are not effective there. not in every place. to take a hill anywhere in latakia have to be done on Foot and not even artillery is easy to move there. So is unlikely the terrorist will be able to dig a tunnel on their own all the way to the Russia air base. from Latakia. will have to be very deep , and bypass rock solid mountains. NATO however could do that from Turkey border , but for sure Russia will spot such movements. Nothing is impossible ,but Latakia geography makes any fight
    there very hard and slow in most places ,since have to be done on foot to climb a hill.

    When it comes to Russia whether they are helping or not in Aleppo , it could be just PR
    and not real. Russia needs to play a shameful game in Syria , of cease of fires with terrorist ,consequence of its mediocre leader . That since came to power ,the only thing he cared ,was to
    raise Russia economy the easy way ,just creating a monopoly of energy, while totally ignoring ,the need for Russia development of its civilian industry and technology ,to become totally independent of the west and self suficient in all. Putin's new import substitution program ,
    is about 16 years late. Because should have been implemented as soon he came to power in 2000, and not in 2016. and help Russia to become truly independent of the west. Truly independent in politics ,in technology and on its economy.

    Had Stalin was the leader of Russia. they will not be asking Permission Americans to bombs
    Alqaeda or ISIS. Putin's image of Russia was totally shortsighted , he really taught , their Americans partners were going to leave Russia interest alone ,as long Russia look to the other side ,whenever Americans invaded a nation and began to take control of all europe.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  SturmGuard on Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:58 pm

    FFS, permaban the mongrel, he has metastasised and talks to himself, drowning every relevant post or point in the sea of his obvious, mindless trolling.

    Not for me, I log in and he is gone, but do it for the thread and site health, and to make it easier for the non-members.


    Common sense, show some of it.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  eehnie on Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:34 am

    GarryB wrote:@Solncepek

    You have been repeatedly warned that this is an English language forum and that any posts in any other languages need translations into English.

    You get a 4 day ban.

    If you do it again then the ban will be a month or possibly permanent.

    If you have any problems with this please feel free to send me a private message.

    I do not know, but I assume it was Russian language. It is not too much?

    I mean... I hate the only English rule in many forums. I'm a little surprised about to see it here and more surprised still if it would be applied against Russian language.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:02 am

    eehnie wrote:
    GarryB wrote:@Solncepek

    You have been repeatedly warned that this is an English language forum and that any posts in any other languages need translations into English.

    You get a 4 day ban.

    If you do it again then the ban will be a month or possibly permanent.

    If you have any problems with this please feel free to send me a private message.

    I do not know, but I assume it was Russian language. It is not too much?

    I mean... I hate the only English rule in many forums. I'm a little surprised about to see it here and more surprised still if it would be applied against Russian language.
    I think the objective of a forum like this is to appeal to as many people as possible in a common language, without having to constantly translate stuff they don't understand. Many here do not speak Russian. A poster should translate the object once instead of many having to repeat the process.

    The problem with Solncepek was that this time he quickly posted twice in Russian on this, an English language forum. If at the same time he gave a version in English I doubt there would have been the same issue, I certainly wouldn't have WTF'd it.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  eehnie on Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:34 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    GarryB wrote:@Solncepek

    You have been repeatedly warned that this is an English language forum and that any posts in any other languages need translations into English.

    You get a 4 day ban.

    If you do it again then the ban will be a month or possibly permanent.

    If you have any problems with this please feel free to send me a private message.

    I do not know, but I assume it was Russian language. It is not too much?

    I mean... I hate the only English rule in many forums. I'm a little surprised about to see it here and more surprised still if it would be applied against Russian language.

    I think the objective of a forum like this is to appeal to as many people as possible in a common language, without having to constantly translate stuff they don't understand. Many here do not speak Russian. A poster should translate the object once instead of many having to repeat the process.

    The problem with Solncepek was that this time he quickly posted twice in Russian on this, an English language forum. If at the same time he gave a version in English I doubt there would have been the same issue, I certainly wouldn't have WTF'd it.

    The alone people that has troubles with constantly translating stuff is habitually the people that only speaks English. They are who habitually try to impulse the only English rule and who defend it. For other people like me, that does an effort to use English, being not our first nor even our second language, there is not a trouble with the use of other languages, even if we understand not a word. Translating stuff is something familiar for many people. I even like to see Russian articles in their own language, because I can translate them one way or another, and they add many times information that is not available in English language. Some times I quote them translated and in its original language, if someone prefers to read it in Russian.

    This only English rule imposed this way over other people is not comfortable to me. I'm from a country that suffered language imposition by the power, and I dislike it.

    And in a forum like this, which is in English language but where the Russian people should feel in its home, to see the Russian language banned sounds weird, very weird.

    But well I'm not who write the rules here, and I pretend not to do it.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:28 am

    I do not know, but I assume it was Russian language. It is not too much?

    There are no guidelines on ban periods.

    This is not the first time Solncepek has posted in Russian without english translation and he has been warned several times before for doing so.

    Perhaps this time he will listen.

    I mean... I hate the only English rule in many forums. I'm a little surprised about to see it here and more surprised still if it would be applied against Russian language.

    This is an english language forum. It is stated in the rules that if any non english language is used a translation even if it is an outline of points of what the non english text is saying must be presented.

    Vlad created this forum and decided on the rules.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:31 am

    And in a forum like this, which is in English language but where the Russian people should feel in its home, to see the Russian language banned sounds weird, very weird.

    No languages are banned on this forum.

    My understanding regarding my chats to Vlad about the purpose of this forum is to offer information and information sharing about Russia to a western audience that bypasses the coloured lenses of the western media.

    There might be speakers of many languages here but English is the forum language and so it must be included for all here to understand.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:36 am

    TheArmenian wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:Russia hardly cares about Aleppo. I sense the Russians are only keen on maintaining order and unified, territorial integrity in Latakia and Tartous (done). Then it's important for them to keep Homs and Damascus cities in relative order (mostly achieved). Also for Russia a route from the coast all the way to Palmyra is important for future pipeline politics (mostly achieved too).

    Aleppo, Raqqa and Deir Ezor is Iran's problem, with their whole Shia axis politics at risk.

    Indeed, the primary objectives of the Russian intervention have been achieved.
    But that does not mean that the secondary objectives will be neglected.
    At the moment, the focal point of the conflict is Aleppo. The terrorists and their backers are throwing everything at it.
    I think we will see some more bloody battles in the next few days.

    Guys check the evolution of Aleppo since 2012. In 2013 the city was all but lost. The current situation was a painstaking effort frop Iran, Russia and whatever is left of the SAA to get there. The Reality is that this is still A LOT better than what it was back in August 2015. May I recall you all that the word was that the beardies were preparing to march on Latakia.

    This is going to gradually deteriorate the standing of JAF in North Syria. After tomorrow we'll know more about what's going on. IF the meeting Erdross, VVP gives any clue, then we'll see a shift in how the Russians do this. Personally given how the Russians started bombing IDLIB heavily, it doesn't bode well for Erdoshit and his pals.

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