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    Post  d_taddei2 on Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:44 am

    franco wrote:The Syrian Arab Republic has received from Russia the latest upgraded Sukhoi Su-24M2.

    Upgraded front bombers Su-24M2 were transferred under the provision of military-technical assistance to the Syrian Army in the fight against the "Islamic State" terrorist organizations. *

    Bombers were a part of the Syrian Armed Forces of the presence of air and space forces of the Russian Federation

    According to some reports, the Syrian side has already received two Sukhoi Su-24M2. There are plans to transfer eight military vehicles from the Russian VKS.

    Upgraded bomber Su-24M2 has at its disposal the latest avionics (avionics), and an expanded list of weapons used. The set allows you to extend the range of avionics used precision-guided weapons, which is composed of such missiles as the Kh-31P and Kh-59M. Bomber can also be used svobodnopadayuschie bomb with a complex flight path. Sukhoi Su-24M2 was first shown to the public at the exhibition MAKS-2001.
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    Earlier, the Syrian Air Force were frontline bombers Su-24 first generation.


    excellent news, but i also think Syria could do with some Mig-29SMT as well. Russia could even supply Some Su-25 which would be ideal for the type of conflict in Syria. Russia also has loads of Mi-24 nearing the end of their service life which would also be ideal. Its a real shame India (via Russia) doesn't donate its Mig-21 and Mig-27 which it is slowly taking out of service to Syria which would also be ideal Syrian pilots could just jump straight into these (Mig-27 will fly just like the Syrian Mig-23) and China could donate its Nanchang Q-5 which is also being phased out. Syria doesnt really need hi tech aircraft right now ground attack aircraft which is reliable, easy to service and maintain. Even getting hold of some secondhand armed L-39 is still good enough for the job, cheap, reliable, easy to fly, only real draw back is its slower speed compared to Su-24, Mig-21, Mig-23 etc. but being small and agile should help, but still an aircraft travelling at 300-400 mph is still a pretty hard target to hit with machine guns and AA guns, but then if more quicker aircraft took the AA guns out first leaving the rest for the L-39. Of course Yak-130 would also be suitable. I doubt Syria is still training new pilot recruits considering all money is being used for ammo, fuel etc, but if they did the L-39 would also be useful as there would be less training needed for the L-39 compared to Mig-29, Su-24 etc.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:44 am

    max steel wrote:Airstrikes coming from T-4 airbase.

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-airstrikes-crush-isils-hopes-southwest-deir-ezzor/


    Saudi Arabia bribes Russia to abandon Assad  





    The whole "Saudi's bribing Russians" is a horse beaten to death, Saudi's failed over the past 4 years at every attempt, they actually think Russia forget about their hijinx in Afghanistan, Central Asia, The Caucuses, oil manupilation...their paltry sums peddled by the SaudiMight's is insignificant compared what they'll receive sticking the coarse with Iran.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:01 pm

    Shows they must be hurting though... Smile


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    Post  franco on Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:57 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    franco wrote:The Syrian Arab Republic has received from Russia the latest upgraded Sukhoi Su-24M2.

    Upgraded front bombers Su-24M2 were transferred under the provision of military-technical assistance to the Syrian Army in the fight against the "Islamic State" terrorist organizations. *

    Bombers were a part of the Syrian Armed Forces of the presence of air and space forces of the Russian Federation

    According to some reports, the Syrian side has already received two Sukhoi Su-24M2. There are plans to transfer eight military vehicles from the Russian VKS.

    Upgraded bomber Su-24M2 has at its disposal the latest avionics (avionics), and an expanded list of weapons used. The set allows you to extend the range of avionics used precision-guided weapons, which is composed of such missiles as the Kh-31P and Kh-59M. Bomber can also be used svobodnopadayuschie bomb with a complex flight path. Sukhoi Su-24M2 was first shown to the public at the exhibition MAKS-2001.
    новости

    Earlier, the Syrian Air Force were frontline bombers Su-24 first generation.


    excellent news, but i also think Syria could do with some Mig-29SMT as well. Russia could even supply Some Su-25 which would be ideal for the type of conflict in Syria. Russia also has loads of Mi-24 nearing the end of their service life which would also be ideal. Its a real shame India (via Russia) doesn't donate its Mig-21 and Mig-27 which it is slowly taking out of service to Syria which would also be ideal Syrian pilots could just jump straight into these (Mig-27 will fly just like the Syrian Mig-23) and China could donate its Nanchang Q-5 which is also being phased out. Syria doesnt really need hi tech aircraft right now ground attack aircraft which is reliable, easy to service and maintain. Even getting hold of some secondhand armed L-39 is still good enough for the job, cheap, reliable, easy to fly, only real draw back is its slower speed compared to Su-24, Mig-21, Mig-23 etc. but being small and agile should help, but still an aircraft travelling at 300-400 mph is still a pretty hard target to hit with machine guns and AA guns, but then if more quicker aircraft took the AA guns out first leaving the rest for the L-39. Of course Yak-130 would also be suitable. I doubt Syria is still training new pilot recruits considering all money is being used for ammo, fuel etc, but if they did the L-39 would also be useful as there would be less training needed for the L-39 compared to Mig-29, Su-24 etc.  

    The SyAF has already received 9 Mig-29SMP upgrades which are close to SMT standards.

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    Post  medo on Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:47 pm

    If Syria have to take any jets from China, they should take JH-7A with WMD-7 targeting pods for all day precission attacks. It is Quite a big plane and could carry a lot of armament on its 11 hardpoints.

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    Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Jul 28, 2016 11:56 am

    Not October now.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Russia will deploy Admiral Kuznetsov, the country's only aircraft carrier, in the Mediterranean Sea before the end of 2016 for a period of up to four months, Adm. Igor Kasatonov, the former head of Russia's Black Sea Fleet, said in an interview.

    Earlier in July, a source familiar with the matter told RIA Novosti that the aircraft carrier would be deployed in the Mediterranean no sooner than October.

    "The ship will set off [for the Mediterranean] at the end of the year. The carrier battle group, which will include several screening ships, will be formed. Allegedly, a nuclear multi-role submarine will be [in the group]. The ship's deployment is designed to last for 3-4 months," Kasatonov, who also was the first deputy commander of Russia's Navy, told RIA Novosti. He added that up to a certain point, the group would be escorted by IL-38 anti-submarine aircraft and Tu-142 long range aircraft and possibly the carrier battle group could work with Tu-160 strategic bombers.

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    Post  Resistance on Fri Jul 29, 2016 2:33 am

    Tu-214R returned to Latakia cheers  time to locate those bastard terrorists

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:36 am

    a bit off topic but does anyone know where i can get a copy. Russia publishes book on role of Russian-made weapons in Syrian conflict

    http://tass.ru/en/defense/887510

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    Post  par far on Sat Jul 30, 2016 3:30 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:a bit off topic but does anyone know where i can get a copy. Russia publishes book on role of Russian-made weapons in Syrian conflict

    http://tass.ru/en/defense/887510



    How do I get that book?

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    Post  par far on Sat Jul 30, 2016 7:59 pm

    RUSSIA SENDS MORE ADVANCED SPY PLANES TO SYRIA

    https://southfront.org/russia-sends-more-advanced-spy-planes-to-syria/


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    Post  Vann7 on Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:42 am

    Russian chopper crash in northen Idlib ... cry

    Terrorist having a field day with the body.


    Russian chopper crashes in northeast Idlib


    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-chopper-crashes-northeast-idlib/


    It looks the Russian Electronic warfare not working so well , as Russia expected.
    And no idea what was a chopper doing in IDLIB ,  perhaps stopping a cargo of weapons
    from Turkey? Because those were more really needed in Aleppo.

    Whatever it happened , Terrorist shouldn't be allowed to so easily drag Pilot bodies and
    make propaganda with them , it shows Russia limited Airforce there , allows choppers to do missions alone without a Plane Backup. It will be interesting to know what shut down the chopper , if it was a moderate cannibal or a "loss missile" from NATO.  can't wait to see what
    the defense minister says. I really think Russia should have AWACS planes fully monitoring what
    happens to their planes.


    Update..


    A Russian Mi-8 helicopter has been shot down by ground fire in Syria following delivery of humanitarian supplies to Aleppo, the Defense Ministry said in a statement. The three crew and two officers from Russia's reconciliation center were returning to base.
    The condition of those on board has yet to be established, the ministry said.



    https://www.rt.com/news/354128-russian-helicopter-syria-down/

    Russia should next time drop themobaric bombs and poison on IDLIB region
    and screw the humanitarian aid. The people in IDLIB was one of the zone largely
    friendly to terrorist.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #10

    Post  Project Canada on Mon Aug 01, 2016 12:45 pm


    [ulr=http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160801/1043826963/mi-8-downed-all-killed.html?utm_source=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2F&utm_medium=short_url&utm_content=bPuw&utm_campaign=URL_shortening]All Officers Aboard Downed Russian Mi-8 Chopper in Syria Dead[/url]

    Please I want to see a US chopper shot down with its crews dead too

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    Post  SturmGuard on Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:26 pm

    Terrible news, and several gruesome images and videos have been published by terrorist scum. In addition, there are rumours that one of the passengers was a woman/translator, and that the helicopter was carrying the humanitarian aid delivery/negotiators.

    The only question that needs to be asked is why the RuAF didn't make an immediate appearance and cleanse those savages desecrating the bodies and cheering around. Literally leave none alive in Idlib. I honestly don't understand the contempt for lives of Russian servicemen that Russian command displays. You can't bring back the dead and comfort their families, but at least prevent the morbid scum from celebrating, and don't let their deaths be for nothing. At this point the Russian casualties have already mounted, time to reconsider launching a step by step extermination operation, because this is clearly not working.

    And I believe we all know the source and type of weapons responsible for all airforce losses in Syria.



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    Post  Resistance on Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:47 pm

    It's terrible what happened to the Russian servicemen at the hands of Idlib terrorists. RIP heroes. At the end of the day, their blood is on Putin's hands, who stupidly fell for Kerry's fake peace deal and pulled planes out of Latakia and stopped bombing terrorists. Had he continued the fight in February, the war would have been over by now.

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    Post  Project Canada on Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:59 pm


    This is so frustrating. As more Russian casualties continue to mount the more laugher the American terrorists and their jihadi dogs are getting, until how many Russian servicemen are murdered before Russian authorities declare a war of annihilation and wipe out the terrorist pigs from the face of the planet??!?

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    Post  Resistance on Mon Aug 01, 2016 2:08 pm

    Project Canada wrote:
    This is so frustrating. As more Russian casualties continue to mount the more laugher the American terrorists and their jihadi dogs are getting, until how many Russian servicemen are murdered before Russian authorities declare a war of annihilation and wipe out the terrorist pigs from the face of the planet??!?  

    Russia has its hands tied by Kerry's fake peace deal. Russians have to please the Israelis. Russians have to please the Americans. Russians have to please the western partners. Never do Russians have to please their real friends the Iranians. Russians make the most stupid decisions sometimes.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Aug 01, 2016 2:38 pm

    SturmGuard wrote:Terrible news, and several gruesome images and videos have been published by terrorist scum. In addition, there are rumours that one of the passengers was a woman/translator, and that the helicopter was carrying the humanitarian aid delivery/negotiators.

    The only question that needs to be asked is why the RuAF didn't make an immediate appearance and cleanse those savages desecrating the bodies and cheering around. Literally leave none alive in Idlib. I honestly don't understand the contempt for lives of Russian servicemen that Russian command displays. You can't bring back the dead and comfort their families, but at least prevent the morbid scum from celebrating, and don't let their deaths be for nothing. At this point the Russian casualties have already mounted, time to reconsider launching a step by step extermination operation, because this is clearly not working.

    And I believe we all know the source and type of weapons responsible for all airforce losses in Syria.



    And how do you do it? Yes one of the officers was a woman.

    There's no dedicated CAP over Syria as far as we know. CAP planes go with bombers most of the time. Helicopters like this one don't get into combat. How and why they ended up in the axis of combat is for an inquiry to determine.

    Furthermore, most images are almost directly after the helicopter has been shot down. While most of the planes are needed in other places, like around Aleppo for bombing the fuck out the same people.

    Once again this seems to be a navigation mistake that cost them a lot. From maps I see they are directly in the axis of combat and far away from the usual route to Bassel Al Assad IAP.

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    Post  SturmGuard on Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:25 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:

    And how do you do it? Yes one of the officers was a woman.

    There's no dedicated CAP over Syria as far as we know. CAP planes go with bombers most of the time. Helicopters like this one don't get into combat. How and why they ended up in the axis of combat is for an inquiry to determine.

    Furthermore, most images are almost directly after the helicopter has been shot down. While most of the planes are needed in other places, like around Aleppo for bombing the fuck out the same people.

    Once again this seems to be a navigation mistake that cost them a lot. From maps I see they are directly in the axis of combat and far away from the usual route to Bassel Al Assad IAP.


    Fair points, especially after the emotional cooldown period. The route for such helicopter indeed seems to be off.

    However, this period of intense battles should have been foreseen, and the necessary number of gunships and ground attack aircraft provided. Was there a more target rich environment since the beginning of Russian intervention?

    How is it even possible for assorted rebels and jihadi scum to advance and capture ground in the face of supposed air and artillery superiority? How can they succeed in attacking along obvious routes, do they have the prerequisite local force superiority?

    I know this is armchair generalship and chairborne commando writing. Nevertheless, I am confident that combat groups of size similar to those that devastated crack UkrOp troops would wreck havoc on rebel lines, especially if generously supported by heavy artillery and air power. The surrounded and isolated groups and positions could then be systematically dealt with.


    Btw. has there been any confirmation that the helicopter was indeed carrying officers of that notorious Reconciliation centre and the accompanying translator?

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    Post  Resistance on Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:34 pm

    Russians apparently think there is peace in Syria. Hip hip horray. Uh, the biggest battle on the planet is raging in Aleppo. Russians don't care about helping SAA. Only care about distributing humanitarian aid as part of the peace deal. Out of touch with reality is what cost these 5 Russians their lives. Had Russians understood there is a war in Syria, these 5 Russians would have been alive now.

    This is a word of warning. If Russians do not treat this war as a war, then this war will go on for many decades and thousands of Russian servicemen will die needlessly for nothing. Treat a war seriously, or you will end up paying the price.


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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:51 pm

    SturmGuard wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:

    And how do you do it? Yes one of the officers was a woman.

    There's no dedicated CAP over Syria as far as we know. CAP planes go with bombers most of the time. Helicopters like this one don't get into combat. How and why they ended up in the axis of combat is for an inquiry to determine.

    Furthermore, most images are almost directly after the helicopter has been shot down. While most of the planes are needed in other places, like around Aleppo for bombing the fuck out the same people.

    Once again this seems to be a navigation mistake that cost them a lot. From maps I see they are directly in the axis of combat and far away from the usual route to Bassel Al Assad IAP.


    Fair points, especially after the emotional cooldown period. The route for such helicopter indeed seems to be off.

    However, this period of intense battles should have been foreseen, and the necessary number of gunships and ground attack aircraft provided. Was there a more target rich environment since the beginning of Russian intervention?

    How is it even possible for assorted rebels and jihadi scum to advance and capture ground in the face of supposed air and artillery superiority? How can they succeed in attacking along obvious routes, do they have the prerequisite local force superiority?

    I know this is armchair generalship and chairborne commando writing. Nevertheless, I am confident that combat groups of size similar to those that devastated crack UkrOp troops would wreck havoc on rebel lines, especially if generously supported by heavy artillery and air power. The surrounded and isolated groups and positions could then be systematically dealt with.


    Btw. has there been any confirmation that the helicopter was indeed carrying officers of that notorious Reconciliation centre and the accompanying translator?


    Let's recap:

    1. The Mil-8 was on a "wrong" axis with no escort. Big red flag n°1.
    2. The helicopter was well equipped for standart threats at certain alt. It clearly was low (and was hit by AAA) with a different spectrum of threats.
    3. There's already an battering distributed by the VKS around axis of attack.
    4. The axis in Aleppo is giagantic. It goes from limits of Idlib to basically, the areas of attack here:

    You can see that while the beardies are cunts, they're not idiots. they'rz trying to link up through the highway on Hikmah/1070 and trying to join up down south-west. Also capture "ground", this isn't different from the Shirokino BS. it's a pitched battle.

    5. Russia doesn't want to deploy a large group to fight a war that has the means to sustain itself. But it can bomb those goatfuckers indefinitely. Until something breaks. And it did in Aleppo.
    6. Russians are winning this. No matter how you look at it. It's no "Mission Acomplished" BS, it's lengthy and it will take time.

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    Post  SturmGuard on Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:55 pm

    Thank you for the informed reply, KoTeMoRe, appreciate it.

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    Post  Resistance on Mon Aug 01, 2016 4:06 pm

    Russians act stupid. Refuses to supply counter battery radars to SAA. With counter battery radars, the war would be over in weeks.

    https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/760112440906481664

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    Post  Resistance on Mon Aug 01, 2016 4:15 pm

    FSA North Division fight SAA using American supplied arms. Americans are western partners of Russia. Suuuuuuuure, Putin Rolling Eyes


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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Aug 01, 2016 4:41 pm

    The Russians knew the risks. They are fighting a conflict that is difficult all around, with very incompetent ally and enemies with lots of weapons. Yet, in the entirety of this conflict, they lost few (21 now?) and as much as it is sad, they knew that casualties will happen and always do. Happened for US, France, Canada, etc everywhere. Sad but realities of a war. If it was just planes, doubt any would face issue besides the Su-24 incident. But when helicopters and guys on the ground appear, then it is bound to happen.

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    Post  Resistance on Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:11 pm

    The Mi-8 should have been escorted by Mi-35M and Mi-28N. Putin said peace all around in Syria, mission accomplished. The Mi-8 was on a humanitarian mission and did not have proper escort. It was out of touch with reality, thinking there is no war in Syria, that caused this.

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