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    GunshipDemocracy

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    Re: Russia's 6th-generation fighters

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Jul 14, 2016 12:31 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    talking about  similarities Smile

    MiG-105
    design - end of 60s

    hyper modern US invention Dream Chaser! Damn Ruskies blatantly copied almost 40 years earlier US design Smile

    Don't forget about the BOR-4 lifting body sub-scale vehicle developed to test thermal protection technologies for the Buran shuttle.



    Not only Ruskies copied design but 30 years earlier make couple of successful orbital and unmanned flights?  But West has shown their moral superiority, only in own opinion of course Smile

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Космос-1374



    i ask why CCCP not West or at least Musk or NASA?

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    Re: Russia's 6th-generation fighters

    Post  Mindstorm on Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:35 pm


    Very informative interview with Chief deputy Director at КРЭТ , Владимир Михеев.


    Topic touched :


    - Radio-photonic sensor and EW suit for next generation aircraft and the revolutionary capabilities it will provide

    - Microwave weapons for next generation unmanned vehicles

    - Laser system for active protection against enemy missiles

    - Defensive systems against enemy direct energy weapons

    - Main features of perspective UCAV (hypersonic speed, hypermaneuvrability, capability to travel in near space)

    - Organization of future air squad with a mix of 20-30 UCAV for each manned aircraft



    http://tass.ru/opinions/interviews/4441543


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    Re: Russia's 6th-generation fighters

    Post  Austin on Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:17 am

    New details of the research project "Hunter-B" and the design of the unmanned aerial vehicle S-70

    Some additional details on the development of the unobtrusive unmanned S-70 unmanned aircraft in Russia ("Hunter-B" research project) are reported by Piotr Butowski in the note " Au-dela du Su-57: le Su-70 Okhotnik " published by Air & Cosmos .

    So, the author notes that on October 14, 2011, the Russian Ministry of Defense instructed Sukhoi Company (Sukhoi Design Bureau) to begin research work on the topic "Hunter", whose goal is to create an unmanned reconnaissance and strike system that would have a large Speed ​​and autonomy.In those rare documents where there is mention of the "Hunter", it is characterized as "unmanned aerial vehicle of the sixth generation"


    Expected appearance of UAV C-70 development Sukhoi Design Bureau (with) Piotr Butowski / Air & Cosmos


    Within the framework of the research project "Hunter" Sukhoi Design Bureau is developing a project designated as S-70. According to information to be checked, the S-70 demonstrator was manufactured at the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant named after V.P. Chkalov - a branch of JSC "Company" Sukhoi ". The first flight is scheduled for 2018.

    The specific characteristics of the S-70 are unknown, only guesswork can be built. The weight of the UAV is in the range of 10-20 tons, and the maximum speed is estimated at 1000 km / h. Complex with the S-70 unmanned aerial vehicle for the Hunter-B research project (c) Russian Ministry of Defense (via paralay.iboards.ru)



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    Re: Russia's 6th-generation fighters

    Post  KiloGolf on Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:38 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Not only Ruskies copied design but 30 years earlier make couple of successful orbital and unmanned flights?  But West has shown their moral superiority, only in own opinion of course Smile

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Космос-1374



    i ask why CCCP not West or at least  Musk or NASA?

    There's nothing moral in the West. It's all about the cash (see Concorde).
    USSR collapsed because they couldn't figure out that very simple concept. Nobody cares about orbital unmanned flights, unless it's on the new iphone.
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    Re: Russia's 6th-generation fighters

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:42 pm

    The outside looks rather a lot like MiGs Skat.

    BTW what were the first 5 generations of UCAV that makes this the sixth?


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    Re: Russia's 6th-generation fighters

    Post  Isos on Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:33 pm

    GarryB wrote:The outside looks rather a lot like MiGs Skat.

    BTW what were the first 5 generations of UCAV that makes this the sixth?

    That's stupid to class them by generation. A fighter of the 6th generataion is by US standards a fighter without pilot, so a drone, so not a fighter at all. According to me it is much more probable to see space fighters that are manned and that go in the space than a drone that can "decide" like a man. The paradoxe is that even if computers are much much faster than a man, the man will allways decide faster than the computer and in case of critical decision it is always better to have a man in the cockpit.

    If the drone meets a situation that isn't in its database the consequences can be very dangerous. Like bombing civilians or destroying a civilian jet because of a bug in its IFF while the pilot could have seen it is a civilian jet. And I'm not talking about the terrorist hacking them and using them against civilians. Look all the systems that anyone could have took from irakian and syrian armies during the war. Imagine they achieve to take the system that Iran used to hack the US drone that was shown on TV. I'm not sure governments should let armies use drones, at least not armed drones.

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    Re: Russia's 6th-generation fighters

    Post  T-47 on Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:23 pm

    GarryB wrote:The outside looks rather a lot like MiGs Skat.

    Yeah I heard about that a few years ago, ~2013 I guess. That all MiG-Skat development will be supervised by Sukhoi, even the engineers working on that project.

    BTW what were the first 5 generations of UCAV that makes this the sixth?

    With Stalin I suppose Razz Razz

    Isos wrote:That's stupid to class them by generation. A fighter of the 6th generataion is by US standards a fighter without pilot, so a drone, so not a fighter at all. According to me it is much more probable to see space fighters that are manned and that go in the space than a drone that can "decide" like a man. The paradoxe is that even if computers are much much faster than a man, the man will allways decide faster than the computer and in case of critical decision it is always better to have a man in the cockpit.

    If the drone meets a situation that isn't in its database the consequences can be very dangerous. Like bombing civilians or destroying a civilian jet because of a bug in its IFF while the pilot could have seen it is a civilian jet. And I'm not talking about the terrorist hacking them and using them against civilians. Look all the systems that anyone could have took from irakian and syrian armies during the war. Imagine they achieve to take the system that Iran used to hack the US drone that was shown on TV. I'm not sure governments should let armies use drones, at least not armed drones.


    I agree with you in some part. But I prefer armed drones for suicide mission, like kamikaze or very highly defended targets.
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    Re: Russia's 6th-generation fighters

    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:53 am

    The paradox is that if it is a suicide drone then it needs to be very cheap, but very cheap means no ESM equipment and few backup systems... it makes it very easy to shoot down, which means you need thousands of them and not dozens.

    As an example a hind helicopter can fly along side a slow flying drone and a soldier can lean out the rear cabin door and shoot the drone down with a rifle calibre machine gun like a PKM... very cheap and easy to destroy lots of drones this way...

    A more capable drone that can defend itself is going to be much more expensive because being self aware needs sensors and to fight back you need weapons...


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    Re: Russia's 6th-generation fighters

    Post  Isos on Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:45 pm

    Suicide drones are just slow cruise missiles. You can't make them cheap because they will use same softwares and hardwares as cruise missile. Unless you use small civilian drones remotly controled ...

    As garry said their ability to achieve their missions is small.

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