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    Re: Russian hypersonic nuclear glider “object 4202”

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:13 pm


    Well, just like the end of Cold War, this was anticlimactic...   Neutral

    The U.S.-Russia Nuclear Arms Race Is Over, and Russia Has Won

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    In October 26, 2016, amid the hubbub of a rancorous American presidential election that dominated the headlines, an event took place in Russia that escaped the attention of those not otherwise involved in monitoring the esoteric world of strategic weapons research and development.

    This event, a test of a ballistic missile carrying a payload known as “Object 4202,” fundamentally changed the landscape of arms control, built as it is on the dual pillars of nuclear deterrence and missile defense.

    “Object 4202” was a new kind of weapon, a hypersonic warhead capable of speeds 15 times the speed of sound, and capable of evading any anti-missile system the United States has today, or may develop and deploy for decades to come. While the October 26 test used an older RS-26 intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) as the launch vehicle, “Object 4202” will ultimately be carried on a newer ICBM, the RS-28.

    The RS-28 is itself a wonder of modern technology, capable of flying in excess of five times the speed of sound, altering its trajectory to confuse anti-missile radars, and delivering 15 independently targetable nuclear warheads (each one 10 times as powerful as the bombs the United States dropped on Japan at the end of World War II) or three “Object 4202” hypersonic warheads, which destroy their targets through kinetic energy (i.e., through impact).

    A nuclear warhead-armed RS-28 would take about 30 minutes to reach the United States from a silo in central Russia; its warheads would be capable of destroying an area about the size of Texas.

    Armed with the “Object 4202” hypersonic warheads, each of which is capable of destroying an American missile silo, the time would be cut down to 12 minutes or less. The RS-28 ICBM, scheduled to become operational in 2018, assures Russia the ability to annihilate the United States in retaliation for any American first strike, while providing Russia a silo-killing first-strike capability of its own............................................
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    Re: Russian hypersonic nuclear glider “object 4202”

    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:17 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Well, just like the end of Cold War, this was anticlimactic...   Neutral

    The U.S.-Russia Nuclear Arms Race Is Over, and Russia Has Won

    http://www.newsweek.com/us-russia-nuclear-arms-race-over-and-russia-has-won-581704

    In October 26, 2016, amid the hubbub of a rancorous American presidential election that dominated the headlines, an event took place in Russia that escaped the attention of those not otherwise involved in monitoring the esoteric world of strategic weapons research and development.

    This event, a test of a ballistic missile carrying a payload known as “Object 4202,” fundamentally changed the landscape of arms control, built as it is on the dual pillars of nuclear deterrence and missile defense.

    “Object 4202” was a new kind of weapon, a hypersonic warhead capable of speeds 15 times the speed of sound, and capable of evading any anti-missile system the United States has today, or may develop and deploy for decades to come. While the October 26 test used an older RS-26 intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) as the launch vehicle, “Object 4202” will ultimately be carried on a newer ICBM, the RS-28.

    The RS-28 is itself a wonder of modern technology, capable of flying in excess of five times the speed of sound, altering its trajectory to confuse anti-missile radars, and delivering 15 independently targetable nuclear warheads (each one 10 times as powerful as the bombs the United States dropped on Japan at the end of World War II) or three “Object 4202” hypersonic warheads, which destroy their targets through kinetic energy (i.e., through impact).

    A nuclear warhead-armed RS-28 would take about 30 minutes to reach the United States from a silo in central Russia; its warheads would be capable of destroying an area about the size of Texas.

    Armed with the “Object 4202” hypersonic warheads, each of which is capable of destroying an American missile silo, the time would be cut down to 12 minutes or less. The RS-28 ICBM, scheduled to become operational in 2018, assures Russia the ability to annihilate the United States in retaliation for any American first strike, while providing Russia a silo-killing first-strike capability of its own............................................

    Read the entire thing and i noticed 2 things, one, this guy is making the same mistake as Pepe Escobar, he is assuming Russia's missile shield is nearly complete, while the S-500 and Nodul haven't even deployed yet, and two, we are not yet sure whether "Object 4202" is accurate enough to take out Silo's (like a surgical strike).
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    Re: Russian hypersonic nuclear glider “object 4202”

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:22 am

    We will never know of the Russian hypersonic ICBM system. We will know of Zircon. This is obvious by reportings. While everyone has harped on about Russia's Object 4202, only minor hints of it was mentioned in Russia by authorities.

    As for S-500, already the missile tube has been seen by some viewers. Do not know about more but by 2018 it will be tested officially. Probably tested now.

    US is behind because they fund other technologies and blow majority of their money on foreign bases and bullshit dealings to upkeep a sick child like NATO and middle eastern monarchies.
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    Re: Russian hypersonic nuclear glider “object 4202”

    Post  Singular_Transform on Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:51 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:

    Read the entire thing and i noticed 2 things, one, this guy is making the same mistake as Pepe Escobar, he is assuming Russia's missile shield is nearly complete, while the S-500 and Nodul haven't even deployed yet, and two, we are not yet sure whether "Object 4202" is accurate enough to take out Silo's (like a surgical strike).

    The problem to hit the silos is not the precision of guidance system, rather than that the warheads doesn't have any manoeuvre rockets, means if the ballistic trajectory has issue there is no correction option.

    If the warhead manoeuvre then it can hit anything with meter precision.
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    Re: Russian hypersonic nuclear glider “object 4202”

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:08 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:....................

    Read the entire thing and i noticed 2 things, one, this guy is making the same mistake as Pepe Escobar, he is assuming Russia's missile shield is nearly complete, while the S-500 and Nodul haven't even deployed yet, and two, we are not yet sure whether "Object 4202" is accurate enough to take out Silo's (like a surgical strike).

    Irelevant.

    USA for some very stupid reason assumes that nuclear war is something that can have a winner (hence all that ''missile shield'' BS)

    Russian military sees nuclear arms as a deterrent and retaliation tool.

    If SHTF they will not waste any missiles targeting enemy silos (which will be empty anyway). Everything will be going after cities. Especially those things that have most chances of hitting targets without interception.

    So "Object 4202" will most definitely be going after locations with most ''meat'' in them. East and West Coast, Texas, Chicago, etc... all the juicy ones. No flyover states for big boys.
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    Re: Russian hypersonic nuclear glider “object 4202”

    Post  AlfaT8 on Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:47 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:....................

    Read the entire thing and i noticed 2 things, one, this guy is making the same mistake as Pepe Escobar, he is assuming Russia's missile shield is nearly complete, while the S-500 and Nodul haven't even deployed yet, and two, we are not yet sure whether "Object 4202" is accurate enough to take out Silo's (like a surgical strike).

    Irelevant.

    USA for some very stupid reason assumes that nuclear war is something that can have a winner (hence all that ''missile shield'' BS)

    Russian military sees nuclear arms as a deterrent and retaliation tool.

    If SHTF they will not waste any missiles targeting enemy silos (which will be empty anyway). Everything will be going after cities. Especially those things that have most chances of hitting targets without interception.

    So "Object 4202" will most definitely be going after locations with most ''meat'' in them. East and West Coast, Texas, Chicago, etc... all the juicy ones. No flyover states for big boys.

    That would be unwise, wasting warheads on civilian targets simply means less warheads for the real targets, ask the Germans.
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    Re: Russian hypersonic nuclear glider “object 4202”

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:57 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:........ .

    That would be unwise, wasting warheads on civilian targets simply means less warheads for the real targets, ask the Germans.

    This is nuclear war we are talking about here. The last one there ever will be. Civilian targets are only ones that matter.

    It's not about winning, it's about taking enemy down with you.
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    Re: Russian hypersonic nuclear glider “object 4202”

    Post  flamming_python on Fri Apr 14, 2017 10:31 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:........ .

    That would be unwise, wasting warheads on civilian targets simply means less warheads for the real targets, ask the Germans.

    This is nuclear war we are talking about here. The last one there ever will be.  Civilian targets are only ones that matter.

    It's not about winning, it's about taking enemy down with you.

    No it's about winning, as crazy as that sounds, even in nuclear war. It continues to be unwinnable, that's why no-one has ever engaged in it.
    If it ever becomes winnable..

    The object 4202 is a first strike/pre-emptive strike tool. If you can hit the enemy's silos before they have a chance to launch - you'll reduce your own military and civilian casualties; and that's more important than commiting mass-murder.
    Pointing nukes at cities is useful as a detterant, but when SHTF it's better to take out the targets that can actually harm you.
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    Re: Russian hypersonic nuclear glider “object 4202”

    Post  AlfaT8 on Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:47 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:........ .

    That would be unwise, wasting warheads on civilian targets simply means less warheads for the real targets, ask the Germans.

    This is nuclear war we are talking about here. The last one there ever will be.  Civilian targets are only ones that matter.

    It's not about winning, it's about taking enemy down with you.

    No, hell no, the only targets that matter are military targets, and perhaps defense industry targets.

    No, taking the enemy with you isn't winning.

    Update: Forget the second part, i misread your response.
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    Re: Russian hypersonic nuclear glider “object 4202”

    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:22 am

    Most military targets will be irrelevant after the start of WWIII.

    Silos are pointless targets as most of the time they will be empty by the time your weapons reach them.

    Major air bases and ports are the primary targets as well as major population centres... when the bulk of the enemies population centres are wiped out they lose the capacity to fight the next war.

    Surgical strikes on military only targets might make the enemy think they can survive a war... which makes the war all the more likely.

    Knowing there are plenty if ICBMs and SLBMs and nuclear armed torpedo like weapons that will destroy all your major cities makes you think twice about starting a nuclear war that might wipe your civilisation off the map forever.

    The US population is much more concentrated than the Russian population in that regard.


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