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    Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle (“object 4202”)

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:08 am

    "Clowns attack" by Rob Zombie UN .



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    clown 2...... Podvig


    Wot wot? ban all hypersonic weapons when only Russia has them? lol1 lol1 lol1


    https://www.un.org/disarmament/publications/more/hypersonic-weapons-a-challenge-and-opportunity-for-strategic-arms-control/


    "Although the military utility of hypersonic boost-glide systems remains uncertain, there are scenarios in which they may offer useful new capabilities. These capabilities may not necessarily be strategic in nature but could nevertheless have strategic ramifications," the study state

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    Possible arms control approaches


    60. Arms control can take various forms. Arrangements can be
    legally binding or politically binding. They may be multilateral,
    plurilateral, bilateral or unilateral. They may comprehensively
    ban a class of weapons, place restrictions on their use, limit their
    numbers or seek to curb their proliferation.
    An arms control
    measure covering hypersonic boost-glide systems or HGVs
    could be standalone or form part of a broader arrangement
    covering other strategic systems. Given the importance of other
    weapons systems, particularly missile defences, as a motivating
    factor for the pursuit of this technology, the latter may be more
    realistic. Ultimately, the form an arms control measure takes will
    be determined by its objectives and what is feasible given the
    States involved. Possible outcomes are surveyed below.
    61. The most direct and robust way to address the issues

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    Post  dino00 on Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:24 pm

    Could AVANGARD be launched from bombers like Виктор Мураховский was saying before AVANGARD was presented? Suspect


    In 2016 speaking about the first seucessful test:

    "Yes, (the aircraft) is displayed by a rocket, but it is possible that its carrier will be a supersonic strategic bomber," the expert said.

    According to him, the product will be able to develop hypersonic speed due to its own engines, for example, when it is delivered by supersonic strategic bombers.

    “Naturally, such a device will be equipped with its own propulsion system, which will allow it to develop such a speed. Experimental work is now under way on engines. Words such as“ detonation burning ”should speak about how the device will be able to reach that speed,” concluded Murakhovsky.

    https://ria.ru/20161028/1480214764.html
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:54 am

    The problem is translation issues... I have seen them talk about new Tu-160s as being new gliders too...


    The interesting thing is that the US plans for Global Strike was to have an ICBM launched conventional glider able to attack point targets anywhere on earth very rapidly but they were intending such a system to be not counted by the START treaties because of the conventional payloads.

    Sort of sounded like these systems would be controlled by the CIA or something separate from strategic command.

    Of course the hypocracy is to be expected... when Russia puts some HALE UCAVs into service that are armed with modern and capable weapons then these "murder bots" will need rules regarding their use and deployment and where and when they can be located...
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    Post  dino00 on Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:55 pm

    GarryB wrote:The problem is translation issues... I have seen them talk about new Tu-160s as being new gliders too...


    I dont think is a translation problem, he is very clear supersonic bomber, how big is Avangard? Could Pak-Da?
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:45 pm

    GarryB wrote:The problem is translation issues... I have seen them talk about new Tu-160s as being new gliders too...

    unlikely, Murhakovsky was talking about an additional stage which could provide avangard with needed Ek


    Ria artivle wrote:“Naturally, such a device will be equipped with its own propulsion system, which will allow it to develop such a speed. Experimental work is now under way on engines. Words such as“ detonation burning ”should speak about how the device will be able to reach that speed,” concluded Murakhovsky.

    BTW R&D referred here was referring here to PDE engines not Avangard lunched from Tu-160
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    Post  Arrow on Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:31 pm

    How Avangard keeps a high speed Mach 27. If it flies on an lower trajectory in the atmosphere. Physically, this ist impossible. RV flies in space so it does not lose so much energy.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:43 pm

    Arrow wrote:How Avangard keeps a high speed Mach 27. If it flies on an  lower trajectory in the atmosphere. Physically, this ist impossible. RV flies in space so it does not lose so much energy.

    strong statement for somebody with no fluid dynamics background I tell you a secret, well know one bTW, below 50kms there is 99% mass of atmosphere
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:58 pm

    Well I suggested scramjet propulsion but everyone else seems to think it just skips off the atmosphere like a flat stone bouncing off a water surface... of course such a thing would be almost as predictable as fully ballistic trajectory and completely intercept-able while the object is in space again and again as it skips... because like a stone skipping across a stream or stretch of water, it would never actually enter the atmosphere it only skips off the surface back out into space/air.

    Of course that does not explain the fact that it is supposed to both enter the upper atmosphere and accelerate in the atmosphere... but I don't know fluid theory either... never really been much of a fan of alcohol...
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    Post  Arrow on Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:09 pm

    Scramjet does not work at such high altitude. HGV, however, fly much higher than Cirkon.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:28 pm

    Arrow wrote:How Avangard keeps a high speed Mach 27. If it flies on an  lower trajectory in the atmosphere. Physically, this ist impossible. RV flies in space so it does not lose so much energy.

    I'll keep it brief:

    1) New materials man more heat resistance

    2) Mach 27 is max speed attained during tests (so far), regular safe speed for everyday use is Mach 20
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:26 am

    Arrow wrote:Scramjet does not work at such high altitude. HGV, however, fly much higher than Cirkon.

    Scramjet works up to ~80km nevertheless nobody ever said Avangard has scramjets not rocket engines.

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