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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Ispan on Sat Oct 22, 2016 3:30 pm

    Khepesh, could you give us a summary of the latest entry by Chervonec 001? Seems the ukrops are preparing a local attack

    Also, for future references, could you explain what the various symbols mean in these situation maps? Seems they show attacks with different types of weapons.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Khepesh on Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:50 pm

    Correct on the symbols, and the maps are for what has already occurred from 15 to 21 October.  "Mage" is just saying that ukrops might launch essentially the same attacks in the same places as they have for a long time, except with more force, and that this will happen in conjunction with IS attacks in Syria this weekend, but almost half the weekend has gone and nothing so far. I disagree with his conclusions about larger than normal attacks, but not offensive, due to attention moving forward the reserves will bring. He correctly says that smaller scale attacks need only company or battalion size reinforcements, whose movement will not be so obvious, and can be hidden in normal rotation. I say that ukrops already have the immediate reserves in place for offensive, for instance the large number of brigades just at Avdeevka, Volnovakha and Mariupol. This is what all the many reports since last year indicate, it is what recent large movement east of Dnepr between Kherson and Zaporzhia indicate, and it seems this is strategic reserve, or part of it. Also, Zakharchenko and Basurin have stated many times that ukrops are ready now, and have been for long time, to launch offensive at any time with only very minimal additional preperations, that may not be recognized as such due to way ukrops rotate forces to and from rear areas and also sideways along the front.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:51 pm

    Seems like the Rada might have done it again. Blind hatred of Russia causing them to shoot themselves in the foot.

    Yuriy Shukhevych, lawmaker and son of Ukrainian Insurgent Army leader and former SS officer Roman Shukhevych, warned that in voting to the bill, Ukrainian lawmakers had opened a Pandora's Box for Warsaw "to consider our western territories as Polish lands." "Laugh you clowns! Do you realize what you have voted for?" the lawmaker grumbled, commenting on the declaration a day after it passed.

    The declaration has since been approved by the Polish parliament, and is slated for approval by Lithuania's as well.

    In theory, the lawmaker is correct. Western Ukrainian territories, including Bukovina, Transcarpathia and South Bessarabia, were annexed into Soviet Ukraine between 1939-1940 in the run-up to the Great Patriotic War. Accordingly, the declaration delegitimizes Kiev's claims on these territories.

    Commenting on this "theater of the absurd" in an article for PolitRussia, contributor Svyatoslav Knyazev suggested that while he could at least comprehend Poland's motivations for the bill (including Warsaw's never-ending quarrel with Moscow) he simply could not wrap his head around what lawmakers in Kiev were thinking.

    Warsaw, he recalled, has reasons to resent the Soviet annexation, and Poland's post-war occupation. But Kiev, which gained vast amounts of territory from the territorial revisionism of 1939-1940 and 1945, has effectively delegitimized its own claims to its own western territories by signing on to the declaration. "The declaration adopted by the Rada is not just a shameful act of political madness," Knyazev wrote. "It is a kind of 'voluntary surrender', which Warsaw can only enthusiastically embrace. Poland no longer has any need to prove the legitimacy of a claim to the city of Lvov; Ukrainian authorities themselves have effectively recognized it."


    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/europe/201610231046643081-kiev-warsaw-territorial-claims-declaration-implications/

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:15 pm

    'stuff' moving over Preobrazhensky Bridge (Old Dnieper).

    https://twitter.com/Eire_QC/status/790227294975619072

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Khepesh on Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:45 pm

    "People's Militia of LNR is preparing for a major offensive" And it says along entire LNR front. http://rp-lnr.info/publikacii/9498-narodnaya-miliciya-lnr-gotovitsya-k-masshtabnomu-nastupleniyu.html

    In a way it is not news as it has been clearly stated by Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky that all occupied territory will be liberated, and more. However, that all VSN have been practicing assault river crossings is indicative of offensive actions, unless all these exercises are deception, which is unlikely. Any military action will be a secret until it takes place, so unless the report is a total fabrication and there are no "militia sources" in Lugansk, it must be seen as a device to increase tension, for whatever purpose.

    Anyway, today was a day for various fake news, but this is simply "News before it happens" I think.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:33 am

    Basically Porkie said that Ukraina cannot receive Western financial aid forever and has to create favourable environment for investment.

    https://vn.sputniknews.com/europe/201610262520331-poroshenko-kiev-tai-tro-phuong-Tay/ (in Vietnamese)

    And Maidan is openly (but illegally) selling armoured cars to whoever needed. Price is about 25,000 USD. Anyone wanna buy a car ? lol! lol!

    https://vn.sputniknews.com/europe/201610262520122-kiev-xe-boc-thep-cho-xe-ngoai-duong/ (in Vietnamese)

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:32 pm

    Khepesh wrote:"People's Militia of LNR is preparing for a major offensive" And it says along entire LNR front. http://rp-lnr.info/publikacii/9498-narodnaya-miliciya-lnr-gotovitsya-k-masshtabnomu-nastupleniyu.html

    In a way it is not news as it has been clearly stated by Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky that all occupied territory will be liberated, and more. However, that all VSN have been practicing assault river crossings is indicative of offensive actions, unless all these exercises are deception, which is unlikely. Any military action will be a secret until it takes place, so unless the report is a total fabrication and there are no "militia sources" in Lugansk, it must be seen as a device to increase tension, for whatever purpose.

    Anyway, today was a day for various fake news, but this is simply "News before it happens" I think.

    After Trump wins and Aleppo´s jihad pigs fall into oblivion maybe there is a chcance to Novorussia from Donetsk till Transdnistria? Smile))

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Khepesh on Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:13 pm

    ^ Maybe soon..

    Basurin announced that today and tomorrow major command-staff exercises taking place in DNR involving commanders of all formations. Purpose of exercise is to ensure defence plan works and then to be able to create the conditions to launch counter-offensive to retake occupied territories. http://novorosinform.org/news/62498
    This can be seen in conjunction with preperations of LNR to do the same as clearly both Corps will work together.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Khepesh on Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:27 pm

    Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky both cancelled the elections due on November 6. This is not a surprise, and presumably they will be scheduled for next April, then cancelled and re scheduled for next November, then cancelled and resched...... http://dnr-news.com/oficialno/36493-zaharchenko-priostanovil-deystvie-ukaza-o-provedenii-mestnyh-vyborov-v-dnr.html

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:30 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:................

    After Trump wins and Aleppo´s jihad pigs fall into oblivion maybe there is a chcance to Novorussia from Donetsk till Transdnistria?  Smile))

    No way Trump will win, The Satan's Bastard has way too many brainwashed idiots behind her, not to mention media.

    Aleppo is falling and hopefully ukrops too but it will be with The Creature in charge of DC.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Khepesh on Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:13 pm


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Skandalwitwe on Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:42 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    No way Trump will win, The Satan's Bastard has way too many brainwashed idiots behind her, not to mention media.

    Wouldn't bet my ass on it...remember that funny BREXIT blunder. Hitlery Clitor has all ressources behind her incl. all MSM throwingin all  their weight...and even the rigged polls give her a rather slight lead. It's more about wishful thinking, denial of reality and demoralizing Trump's supporters.

    Oh forgot to add...if they steal Trump's victory there's a good chance that the USofA get a healthy dose of their color revolutions. Wonder if they'll like the taste of their own medicine.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:07 pm

    Skandalwitwe wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    No way Trump will win, The Satan's Bastard has way too many brainwashed idiots behind her, not to mention media.

    Wouldn't bet my ass on it...remember that funny BREXIT blunder. Hitlery Clitor has all ressources behind her incl. all MSM throwingin all  their weight...and even the rigged polls give her a rather slight lead. It's more about wishful thinking, denial of reality and demoralizing Trump's supporters.

    Oh forgot to add...if they steal Trump's victory there's a good chance that the USofA get a healthy dose of their color revolutions. Wonder if they'll like the taste of their own medicine.
    Hope he does, I got money on it!

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:24 am

    It will be interesting.

    I don't actually like Trump, but I very much dislike Hilary.

    I think Trump will be better for the US but they still need a real clean out of rich people in positions of power.

    I think Trump would be more pragmatic in his dealing with Russia and China, whom he seems to respect.

    Hilary is a cold war bitch who thinks everyone is the enemy.

    Of course if Hilary wins it will be very funny to see her try her stupid policies like a no fly zone over Syria.

    I hope any attempt at that will lead to Putin and Assad declaring a no fly zone over Syria enforced by Syrian and Russian aircraft... they can load up with AAMs and fly around shooting down western drones and any support aircraft they might use.

    Would be interesting to see Hilary try to say international law is on her side... after all it is US territory there because there is oil...

    If Hilary wins it will just be more of the same from the US... which will only make things worse for the US.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Ispan on Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:40 am

    I have been out of touch recently. Seems war goes on, average intensity in this position warfare is 200 shellings per day, but seems lately is quite hot and many days more than that.



    And yesterday seems to be an escalation. they claim a ten fold increase in shellings. Again, the numbers are not credible. If taken at face value, six hundred shells all along the front would be a very calm day. That they allow to report this means situation in the front is very tough

    https://dninews.com/article/dpr-territory%E2%80%99s-shellings-intensity-increases-ten-fold

    It would seem that the Ukrops are trying to achieve some sort of success before the US election. D


    This war is not anything like the Western Front in WWI, but it's not a frozen conflict with ocasional shots. While at Minsk they are babbling about establishing cease fire zones, the fact is that there's a real war going on. I suspect that the attempts at breakthrough in the southern front in past weeks were much more serious than reported.

    Seems the Ukranian command has decided on a war of attrition by infantry and artillery. I estimate that given this intensity of fighting, Ukraninian casualties in 2016 will amount to 20,000 dead, wounded and missing by years end. How long can this go on?


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:50 am

    Ispan wrote:I have been out of touch recently. Seems war goes on, average intensity in this position warfare is 200 shellings per day, but seems lately is quite hot and many days more than that.

    It would seem that the Ukrops are trying to achieve some sort of success before the US election. D

    This war is not anything like the Western Front in WWI, but it's not a frozen conflict with ocasional shots. While at Minsk they are babbling about establishing cease fire zones, the fact is that there's a real war going on. I suspect that the attempts at breakthrough in the southern front in past weeks were much more serious than reported.

    Seems the Ukranian command has decided on a war of attrition by infantry and artillery. I estimate that given this intensity of fighting, Ukraninian casualties in 2016 will amount to 20,000 dead, wounded and missing by years end. How long can this  go on?

    Sadly it seems as if it will go on for as long as Poro/US has a need for it. Which could be quite a while as he really does not want much of that army back in the more western parts of Ukraine, armed and wondering what the hell anyone, apart from the top 0.1%, got out of it apart from suffering. Plus the winter is coming and if it is hard there will not be enough money for gas. This could be a reason for a diversionary attack, especially perhaps if Hillary is President.

    On gas, there was an interesting article on Fortrus yesterday about how for the first time Nordstream is being allowed to run at 100% capacity rather than 50%. This means that were Ukraine to steal EU gas Russia has a possible option to turn the taps off and northern Europe could still get what they need via that pipe. Just a pity about the southern countries and no reverse flow for Ukraine. Not that they would on past performance.

    http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/10/did-eu-just-sign-off-on-ukraines-last.html

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Khepesh on Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:23 pm

    Militia veterans in DNR urged to return to service. Kononov has said that while there is no shortage of manpower, experienced veterans are always needed, which is simply a truism. It has been said that DNR will never use conscription, so it could be seen that this announcement is in fact a "low key" mobilisation, despite what Kononov has said. http://dnr-news.com/dnr/36548-voenkom-dnr-prizval-veteranov-opolcheniya-vozvratitsya-na-sluzhbu-v-vs-respubliki.html

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:47 pm

    Patrick Lancaster ‏@PLnewstoday 20h

    #BreakingNews 3 dead,including a 6 year old, & 6 injured, when #Ukraine shelled a civilian Apt. block in suburb of #Donetsk #Makeevka




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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Khepesh on Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:37 pm

    Givi has not been killed, the rumors are false......

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Khepesh on Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:48 am

    For reference. LDNR has not changed clocks and remains on Moscow time, GMT+3. Kiev changed clocks and is on GMT+2. Important for when both sides report an incident as two different times will be used and possibly cause confusion. Handy online clock https://time100.ru

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Ispan on Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:09 pm

    Major attacks all along the front yesterday. Intensity of the fighting is comparable to the worst days of summer. Seems the Ukrops are trying to provoke a Russian reaction before the US elections. Or they are worried that Trump may win.

    https://dninews.com/article/donetsk-defense-situation-report-30102016

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Godric on Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:54 pm

    Ispan wrote:Major attacks all along the front yesterday. Intensity of the fighting is comparable to the worst days of summer. Seems the Ukrops are trying to provoke a Russian reaction before the US elections. Or they are worried that Trump may win.

    https://dninews.com/article/donetsk-defense-situation-report-30102016

    i'm glad this had been posted as i had heard from Texas via facebook that the fascists had been bombarding Donetsk last night ... like you say this is a ploy ... i smell the foul odour of Washington behind this

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:30 pm

    Yet another case of Kiev shooting it's foot. Didn't think this was a good idea when they announced it and its just getting worse. A lot more on it at the link

    Ukraine is the latest country to discover that cronyism and corruption in politics pays - a lot - and is very unhappy about it.

    As a result of an anti-corruption reform requiring senior Ukrainian officials to declare their wealth online, the local population has been been exposed to the vast difference between the fortunes of politicians and those they represent.

    As Reuters reports, some declared millions of dollars in cash. Others said they owned fleets of luxury cars, expensive Swiss watches, diamond jewelry and large tracts of land - revelations that will crush public confidence in the authorities in Ukraine, where the average salary is just over $200 per month. Officials had until Sunday to upload details of their assets and income in 2015 to a publicly searchable database, part of an International Monetary Fund-backed drive to boost transparency and modernise Ukraine's recession-hit economy.

    As in the US, the corruption starts (and ends) at the top, and the value of Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko's assets soared despite economic crisis and conflict while those of other tycoons shrank in an annual wealth list published Friday. The 50-year-old Western-backed president's business empire ranges from chocolates to media holdings still under his control. Poroshenko - a prominent fixture of the Panama Papers - retains control of a top TV channel and has failed to follow through on his promise to sell off his Roshen chocolate empire due to a lack of foreign interest and a dearth of rich-enough investors in Ukraine itself.


    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-31/ukrainians-shocked-vast-wealth-amassed-their-corrupt-politicians

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Ispan on Wed Nov 02, 2016 9:49 am

    Seems the offensive goes on, connected to US elections


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:52 pm

    Latest from OSCE Special Monitoring Mission (SMM) to Ukraine, based on information received as of 19:30, 27 October 2016
    KYIV 28 October 2016


    http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/277966

    Who is the "civil formation Asker"?

    The SMM continued to observe the activities of the civil formation Asker at crossing points at the administrative boundary line between Kherson and Crimea. At the Asker tent encampment in the village of Chonhar (162km south-east of Kherson), an Asker member, who introduced himself as the head of the civil formation, told the SMM that the group continued to track the situation along the administrative boundary line as well as Crimea through personal contacts, as it has been doing since November 2015. At the crossing point near Chonhar (166km south-east of Kherson), the SMM observed three Asker members, in addition to more than 15 Ukrainian Border Guards.


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