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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:55 am


    Kyiev movet toward terror

    The Ukrainian expert Alexander Dudchak about who benefited the killing Motorola

    http://izvestia.ru/news/638902


    If winning the war by conventional methods with the use of the army, air force and Navy does not work, the enemies resort to other methods.

    On the evening of 16 October in Donetsk as a result of the detonation of an explosive device at the entrance of a house was killed Arseny Pavlov, one of the leaders of the militias, known as Motorola.

    The assassination of the leaders LNR–DNR on popular commanders has happened repeatedly. For example, in August of this year was wounded by the head LNR Igor Carpenter, in may of 2015 killed the brigade commander "Ghost" Alexey Brain...

    In the current situation none of the parties to the conflict in the Donbass win in a direct collision of the units of the opposing parties impossible. APU does not run the risk of apply aircraft, because I understand that I may lose her balances. The armed forces of the DNI–LNR aircraft, if not the only "Lugansk" su-25 involved in the fighting on 4 February 2015, and that "small aviation link", or "soon" announced the leader of LNR Igor Carpenter in July 2016. On the fleet to speak, too is not necessary.

    In such cases, the use of means and methods of terrorist war is not something supernatural. However, despite the fact that to cross the border between Ukraine and the people's republics of Donbass for professional saboteurs don't seem to be a complex task, uses it only Kiev.

    The murder of Arseniy Pavlov (Motorola) after a series of attacks on him seems a "natural" episode of the war. Kiev wanted a resonant move. Puzzles develop logical, given the statement by Petro Poroshenko that Ukraine will not fulfill the Minsk agreements, as the process of implementation of these agreements in Kiev see it differently.

    The organizers of the murder of Motorola has tried to solve several tasks: to foment distrust within the leadership of the DNI and the attitude of the population of the Republic; to create an atmosphere of uncertainty in own safety among the residents of Donetsk; to provoke emotional response, the leadership of Donbass, which, in turn, would be presented by Kiev as a failure of the Minsk process.

    And — of course — managed to instantly find the "hand of the Kremlin". This version turns on instantly, whatever happened and whoever was the organiser, a participant or a victim.

    Immediately after the incident of the attack by the speaker of the Ministry of internal Affairs of Ukraine Artem Shevchenko said that Motorola is "destroyed, it seems, by his own accomplices".

    The "official" organizers and executors were named immediately after the assassination. Attempts to "hang dogs" to some nationalist grouping was supported by the respective video that was released by the national radical movement Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia). But despite the fact that the media readily picked up this version and rushed to call the perpetrator of the murder, the movement... has maintained his innocence in the assassination of Motorola.

    Probably they felt too uncomfortable to stay between a rock and a hard place, when one will take revenge for the death of companions, and other "under the guise of" trying to help in the elimination of poorly managed from Kiev groups.

    The murder was committed by professionals — it is in the spirit of special operations forces, recently established in Ukraine with the active support of instructors of the US special forces. And this opinion, shared by most experts, including in Kiev.

    If Donetsk reaction to this incident will be harsh, Kyiv will receive additional arguments in order to explain to the West why to perform the Minsk agreement is not possible. And the words of the head of DND "as I understand it, [the Ukrainian President] Petro Poroshenko has broke the truce and declared war on us" will be interpreted as the fact that Donetsk took up the challenge.

    It is possible that now threatened the life of leader of some neo-Nazi group, is not quite acceptable to the Kiev leadership. To sacrifice him for the sake of the elimination of a competitor and write off another murder on "aggressors" — quite in the spirit of the current government. For example, Petro Poroshenko not quite satisfied with the same Biletskiy, who tries to fasten camouflage "normal" political party to the Nazi essence of your organization. He may well become the next victim of the Ukrainian security services that solve some kind of an unknown for us. And repeat the mournful fate of Sasha Bilogo.

    Killing Motorola in Kiev will be able to use for cleansing the political space from the former, but become unnecessary colleagues on the Maidan and creating fear of terrorist threats from the population of Kiev and other Ukrainian cities. Unfortunately, the "anti-terrorist operation" is completed, in accordance with the requirements of the Minsk agreements may return to active phase and to a horrible addition in the form of a terrorist wa
    r.



    JohninMK wrote:Ah, Mr Ukrainian, you remember that stuff about joining the EU that 10's of thousands died for? You didn't actually believe that it would happen any time soon, did you?

    BRUSSELS (Sputnik) – In 2014, the European Union signed an agreement with Ukraine to deepen political association and economic integration. Ukraine had to implement a series of political and economic reforms to gain free-trade access to the EU market.

    "We believe that there are serious problems with the ratification of the agreement," the source told reporters on the eve of the EU summit in Brussels on October 20-21. Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte will deliver a report "on further steps in the ratification of the agreement" during the summit. "I, however, do not expect any decisions to be made," the source said. In April, the Netherlands held a referendum in which 61 percent of Dutch voters rejected the ratification of the deal.

    Currently, the Netherlands is the only EU state, which has not yet ratified the agreement.


    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/europe/201610181046465208-eu-ukraine-association/


    US and all-lies can fight Russia till the last Ukrop or Pole...
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:50 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Kyiev movet toward terror

    The Ukrainian expert Alexander Dudchak about who benefited the killing Motorola

    http://izvestia.ru/news/638902


    If winning the war by conventional methods with the use of the army, air force and Navy does not work, the enemies resort to other methods.

    On the evening of 16 October in Donetsk as a result of the detonation of an explosive device at the entrance of a house was killed Arseny Pavlov, one of the leaders of the militias, known as Motorola.

    The assassination of the leaders LNR–DNR on popular commanders has happened repeatedly. For example, in August of this year was wounded by the head LNR Igor Carpenter, in may of 2015 killed the brigade commander "Ghost" Alexey Brain...

    In the current situation none of the parties to the conflict in the Donbass win in a direct collision of the units of the opposing parties impossible. APU does not run the risk of apply aircraft, because I understand that I may lose her balances. The armed forces of the DNI–LNR aircraft, if not the only "Lugansk" su-25 involved in the fighting on 4 February 2015, and that "small aviation link", or "soon" announced the leader of LNR Igor Carpenter in July 2016. On the fleet to speak, too is not necessary.

    In such cases, the use of means and methods of terrorist war is not something supernatural. However, despite the fact that to cross the border between Ukraine and the people's republics of Donbass for professional saboteurs don't seem to be a complex task, uses it only Kiev.

    The murder of Arseniy Pavlov (Motorola) after a series of attacks on him seems a "natural" episode of the war. Kiev wanted a resonant move. Puzzles develop logical, given the statement by Petro Poroshenko that Ukraine will not fulfill the Minsk agreements, as the process of implementation of these agreements in Kiev see it differently.

    The organizers of the murder of Motorola has tried to solve several tasks: to foment distrust within the leadership of the DNI and the attitude of the population of the Republic; to create an atmosphere of uncertainty in own safety among the residents of Donetsk; to provoke emotional response, the leadership of Donbass, which, in turn, would be presented by Kiev as a failure of the Minsk process.

    And — of course — managed to instantly find the "hand of the Kremlin". This version turns on instantly, whatever happened and whoever was the organiser, a participant or a victim.

    Immediately after the incident of the attack by the speaker of the Ministry of internal Affairs of Ukraine Artem Shevchenko said that Motorola is "destroyed, it seems, by his own accomplices".

    The "official" organizers and executors were named immediately after the assassination. Attempts to "hang dogs" to some nationalist grouping was supported by the respective video that was released by the national radical movement Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia). But despite the fact that the media readily picked up this version and rushed to call the perpetrator of the murder, the movement... has maintained his innocence in the assassination of Motorola.

    Probably they felt too uncomfortable to stay between a rock and a hard place, when one will take revenge for the death of companions, and other "under the guise of" trying to help in the elimination of poorly managed from Kiev groups.

    The murder was committed by professionals — it is in the spirit of special operations forces, recently established in Ukraine with the active support of instructors of the US special forces. And this opinion, shared by most experts, including in Kiev.

    If Donetsk reaction to this incident will be harsh, Kyiv will receive additional arguments in order to explain to the West why to perform the Minsk agreement is not possible. And the words of the head of DND "as I understand it, [the Ukrainian President] Petro Poroshenko has broke the truce and declared war on us" will be interpreted as the fact that Donetsk took up the challenge.

    It is possible that now threatened the life of leader of some neo-Nazi group, is not quite acceptable to the Kiev leadership. To sacrifice him for the sake of the elimination of a competitor and write off another murder on "aggressors" — quite in the spirit of the current government. For example, Petro Poroshenko not quite satisfied with the same Biletskiy, who tries to fasten camouflage "normal" political party to the Nazi essence of your organization. He may well become the next victim of the Ukrainian security services that solve some kind of an unknown for us. And repeat the mournful fate of Sasha Bilogo.

    Killing Motorola in Kiev will be able to use for cleansing the political space from the former, but become unnecessary colleagues on the Maidan and creating fear of terrorist threats from the population of Kiev and other Ukrainian cities. Unfortunately, the "anti-terrorist operation" is completed, in accordance with the requirements of the Minsk agreements may return to active phase and to a horrible addition in the form of a terrorist wa
    r.



    JohninMK wrote:Ah, Mr Ukrainian, you remember that stuff about joining the EU that 10's of thousands died for? You didn't actually believe that it would happen any time soon, did you?

    BRUSSELS (Sputnik) – In 2014, the European Union signed an agreement with Ukraine to deepen political association and economic integration. Ukraine had to implement a series of political and economic reforms to gain free-trade access to the EU market.

    "We believe that there are serious problems with the ratification of the agreement," the source told reporters on the eve of the EU summit in Brussels on October 20-21. Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte will deliver a report "on further steps in the ratification of the agreement" during the summit. "I, however, do not expect any decisions to be made," the source said. In April, the Netherlands held a referendum in which 61 percent of Dutch voters rejected the ratification of the deal.

    Currently, the Netherlands is the only EU state, which has not yet ratified the agreement.


    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/europe/201610181046465208-eu-ukraine-association/


    US and all-lies can fight Russia till the last Ukrop or Pole...


    What is your retarded problem with ethnic Poles?

    The ethnic Poles' in Poland only "fault" is that they are being ruled by ethnic Ukrainians whom you started to cement on their heads starting in 1944, and that your "savior" in the Kremlin still highly favored until recently.

    There would have been no ethnic Ukrainians left in Poland had not been for the above, and the fact that the republican government of the Soviet Ukraine refused to continue the repatriation of the ethnic Ukrainians from Poland to Ukraine at the end of 1946.

    Leave the ethnic Poles out of it. angry

    You have no idea of what you are writing about.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:00 pm

    Don't think he was picking on the Poles in particular. The comment could be expanded to the US fighting Russia to the last Pole, Lithuanian, Estonian, Hungarian, Ukrainian etc etc. Basically everyone dying before an American to achieve an American objective, as per Libya or Syria for example.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  OminousSpudd on Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:34 pm

    Texac thinks it wasn't an internal hit: http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/10/texas-who-killed-motorola-and-why-ill.html

    Pretty convincing points in my opinion.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Oct 19, 2016 5:14 pm

    I don't understand all the depth of politics, but if it was me I would never have such patience to keep talking with Maidan murderers.

    https://www.rt.com/news/363213-normandy-four-meeting-berlin-ukraine/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

    The leaders of Russia, Germany, France and Ukraine are to discuss the ongoing conflict in eastern Ukraine in Berlin on Wednesday. The ‘Normandy Four’ initially brokered a ceasefire for Ukraine in February 2015, but it was never fully implemented.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  arpakola on Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:59 pm

    http://novorossia.today/farewell-ceremony-with-arsen-pavlov-is-now-in-donetsk/#prettyPhoto
    Farewell ceremony with Arsen Pavlov is now in Donetsk



    Today, October 19 funeral ceremony started at 10am with a hero of Novorossia Arsen Pavlov, signcall Motorola




    http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/3017467.html
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:47 pm

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:

    US and all-lies can fight Russia till the last Ukrop or Pole...



    What is your retarded problem with ethnic Poles?

    Re-read my post when you calm down oki? Otherwise check this out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_illiteracy



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    You have no idea of what you are writing about.


    Actually I do. I am a Pole, educated in history. And Red Army saved my family from extinction bot from Ukrops and Germans. And now i can see barbarism in my own country where Soviet Soldiers´ monuments are desacred or dismantled !!!

    and make Poles lick US dirty cracks and make them ready to die for US as planted by Goebbels type or propaganda since 1989...


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:51 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:I don't understand all the depth of politics, but if it was me I would never have such patience to keep talking with Maidan murderers.


    That´s why you cannot be a politician Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Imagine Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan Ukraine all interconnected in US planning with different weights.

    US makes al lpossible to draw Russia into war in Ukraine. Ukrainian population is now close to level of beggars, economy is dying so how long this European dream can last?

    Russia kicks ukrop junta in week or so. Then what? 40mlns hungry and jobless people of who were told their poverty is caused by Russia? and economic war with the west?

    not yet...
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  kvs on Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:15 pm

    Земля тебе пухом, Motorola.

    I hope some SBU higher ranks get to see the Devil early.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Militarov on Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:55 am



    Scorpion made its way into DNR.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:47 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Odin of Ossetia wrote:

    US and all-lies can fight Russia till the last Ukrop or Pole...



    What is your retarded problem with ethnic Poles?


    Re-read my post when you calm down oki? Otherwise check this out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_illiteracy




    Odin of Ossetia wrote:

    You have no idea of what you are writing about.



    Actually I do. I am a Pole, educated in history.  And Red Army saved my family from extinction bot from Ukrops and Germans. And now i can see barbarism in my own country where Soviet Soldiers´ monuments are desacred or dismantled !!!

    and make Poles lick US dirty cracks and make them ready to die for US as planted by Goebbels type or propaganda since 1989...




    I think you are an ethnic Ukrainian from Poland.


    You literally encouraged Russians to "...fight to the last Pole." You made Ukrops = Poles.


    Who else would do that?


    And many Ukrainians in Poland like to show off how poor they are, because it makes them feel much better about ripping off and oppressing ethnic Poles. It adds the "Robin Hood" element to their criminality.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:29 pm

    Militarov wrote:

    Scorpion made its way into DNR.

    I did Nazi that coming. Soon Ukraine will build more modern variant out of a stove and bike chains.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:54 pm

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:

    You literally encouraged Russians to "...fight to the last Pole." You made Ukrops = Poles.


    Who else would do that?



    I respectfully refer you to my original statement:

    US and all-lies can fight Russia till the last Ukrop or Pole...

    now try to unterstand dit and we can continue Smile
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:55 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:[
    I did Nazi that coming. Soon Ukraine will build more modern variant out of a stove and bike chains.

    right after they put Ukronauts on the Moon Smile
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:58 pm

    Militarov wrote:

    Scorpion made its way into DNR.

    Scorpion's been there for quite a while. I remember pics of it from a year ago.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:33 pm

    I don't think his comment was against Poles or Ukrainians... I think it was more about the US... and only obliquely about how the Poles let themselves be used by the Americans in a conflict they should not otherwise be involved with...

    Maybe I am wrong?


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:16 pm

    GarryB wrote:I don't think his comment was against Poles or Ukrainians... I think it was more about the US... and only obliquely about how the Poles let themselves be used by the Americans in a conflict they should not otherwise be involved with...

    Maybe I am wrong?


    You´re correct. Next time I am going to use pointers who is good and who<s villian specially for Odin Smile


    Not years but ages on brewing anti-Slavic propaganda in Poland by west (since XIX c. if you look at Polish history....) takes its toll.


    BTW do you know that after 1989 "best historiansof Polish-Russian relations"  according to  corpo-zionist media media are:

    Timothy Gordon Ash and Norman Davies. Razz Razz Razz

    Do you need better example of breeding cannon fodder for anglo-saxon banksters?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:50 am

    This is another of those classic Putin face expressions, this time at the latest Normandy meeting. You can almost read the 'what an idiot you are Poro' he might be thinking.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  arpakola on Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:27 am



    Leaflets in Kharkiv.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Militarov on Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:07 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    Scorpion made its way into DNR.

    I did Nazi that coming. Soon Ukraine will build more modern variant out of a stove and bike chains.

    I found it plausible, however i did not expect them to waste money on it, it actually can be ordered online directly from the manufacturer.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:24 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    GarryB wrote:I don't think his comment was against Poles or Ukrainians... I think it was more about the US... and only obliquely about how the Poles let themselves be used by the Americans in a conflict they should not otherwise be involved with...

    Maybe I am wrong?


    You´re correct. Next time I am going to use pointers who is good and who<s villian specially for  Odin Smile


    Not years but ages on brewing anti-Slavic propaganda in Poland by west (since XIX c. if you look at Polish history....) takes its toll.


    BTW do you know that after 1989 "best historiansof Polish-Russian relations"   according to  corpo-zionist media media are:

    Timothy Gordon Ash and Norman Davies.   Razz  Razz  Razz

    Do you need better example of breeding cannon fodder for anglo-saxon banksters?


    My point is what you wrote can be easily misconstrued.


    Norman Davies is misrepresented as the "best" historian on Poland in general. I think he is actually guilty of plagiarism, with the Poles invented baseball claim (it being derived from palant). He did not come up with it, but some Polish historian(s) did.

    That was mentioned in the book by Jerzy Pertek Polacy na Morzach i Oceanach back in 1981. Norman Davies has nothing really to do with coming up with this claim.

    All Norman Davies has is a Polish wife.

    I never even heard of that Timothy Gordon Ash guy. Who is he?
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:58 am

    From my experience, most Polish people are more nationalistic and proud about their culture (religion too) than most Western European societies. The anti-Slavic sentiment GunshipDemocracy talks about simply isn't there. Same is true for other Eastern European and Balkan populations.

    Post 1968 BS that infests countries west of Oder river simply did not penetrate into communist nations.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  wilhelm on Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:04 am

    arpakola wrote:

    Leaflets in Kharkiv.


    Can you translate this for us non-Russian speakers please?
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:53 am

    First one:
    "Ukrainian, remember! Occupants aren't led into their last journey like this" ("Zapomni, Ukrainets!" is an invocation to some single but closely unspecified "Ukrainian person" and not an Ukrainian language or some Ukrainian soup. )

    Kharkov leaflet:
    "In Kyev they say he was a terrorist. No, a terrorist isn't followed by so many people, only a hero is"
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  flamming_python on Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:41 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
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    lol!
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