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    Post  VladimirSahin on Wed Jun 22, 2016 12:53 pm

    So situation isn't as bad as it was said to be?
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    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Jun 22, 2016 12:58 pm

    VladimirSahin wrote:So situation isn't as bad as it was said to be?

    Well they didn't get encircled it seems. So no IS videos of Russian prisoners.
    But the ground was lost as they fell back to Zakia crossroads.
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    Post  VladimirSahin on Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:01 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    VladimirSahin wrote:So situation isn't as bad as it was said to be?

    Well they didn't get encircled it seems. So no IS videos of Russian prisoners.
    But the ground was lost as they fell back to Zakia crossroads.

    Alright great, I appreciate the info I just sometimes wish I could have contact with the SAA Laughing this conflict has me attached to it for some reason. So did the VBIEDs actually cause dozens of casualties or were those exaggerated.
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    Post  calm on Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:04 pm

    VladimirSahin wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:
    VladimirSahin wrote:So situation isn't as bad as it was said to be?

    Well they didn't get encircled it seems. So no IS videos of Russian prisoners.
    But the ground was lost as they fell back to Zakia crossroads.

    Alright great, I appreciate the info I just sometimes wish I could have contact with the SAA Laughing this conflict has me attached to it for some reason. So did the VBIEDs actually cause dozens of casualties or were those exaggerated.

    Dozens MIA...


    Leith Abou Fadel ‏@leithfadel 7 сатипре 7 сати
    23 soldiers are confirmed dead. Dozens MIA! 49 wounded.


    New video from Amaq.
    Kurds vs car bomb.

    Maybe they survived.
    http://amaqagency.ch/v/myo21062016-720.mp4
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:21 pm

    It is not that bad IMO. This is not a classical war, in desert situations with heavier machinery and air support helps to overstretch the opponent.
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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:28 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:..............

    Lots of paranoid convoluted nonsense.........

    ............


    Vann7. C'mon.

    Please refrain from talking to me.. Put me in your ignore list!
    will not waste my time with people like you.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:21 pm


    ''Leading Jabhat al-Nusra commander killed in western Aleppo''

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/leading-jabhat-al-nusra-commander-killed-western-aleppo/

    This evening, the top jihadist commander and Idlib emir of Jabhat al-Nusra (Syrian al-Qaeda group), Abo Abd Allah Jabal, was killed by a Russian airstrike in northwestern Aleppo; other reports claim his cause of death to be from an IED (roadside bomb) by unknown assailants during a meeting in the area............

    Emir Abo Abd Allah Jabal is dead. Poisoned by his enemies. Cool
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:49 pm

    Having drawn ISIS out into the open with this retreat, they probably present an easier target for CAS/artillery than when they were holed up. One can dream.
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    Post  calm on Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:17 pm

    Take a look at this discussion....


    #Raqqa offensive failed mainly cause Russia , #Russia didn't give any air support the whole period of the offensive,its not #SAA to blame
    https://twitter.com/Ibra_Joudeh/status/745602444672049152

    Good question...
    Are Syian Army that incompetent they need air force to defend against ISIS in the desert? what if there is sand storm?
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    Post  calm on Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:26 pm

    #ISIS captures empty areas, all news about gaining new positions is BS, #SAA troops are in #Ithriya since yesterday.
    https://twitter.com/Syria_Protector/status/745594969398874112
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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:32 pm

    Typical for people to bite the hand that feeds them. Russia has few jets. They ask for helicopter support? Isn't Raqqa quite far away from the Russian airbase? So how do they expect them to get there to support then fly back? Where was SyAF? Fuck them.
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    Post  VladimirSahin on Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:39 pm

    calm wrote:
    #ISIS captures empty areas, all news about gaining new positions is BS, #SAA troops are in #Ithriya since yesterday.
    https://twitter.com/Syria_Protector/status/745594969398874112

    Very Happy how reliable is that? hope it is true.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:41 pm

    VladimirSahin wrote:
    calm wrote:
    #ISIS captures empty areas, all news about gaining new positions is BS, #SAA troops are in #Ithriya since yesterday.
    https://twitter.com/Syria_Protector/status/745594969398874112

    Very Happy how reliable is that? hope it is true.

    Why hope for IS to gain ground? dunno
    SAA reporter's tweet implies they we're kicked out of Raqqa altogether, loosing Zakia as well.


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    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:51 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Typical for people to bite the hand that feeds them. Russia has few jets. They ask for helicopter support? Isn't Raqqa quite far away from the Russian airbase? So how do they expect them to get there to support then fly back? Where was SyAF? Fuck them.

    If they didn't have air support then at least artillery, but not even that, or hell even proper fire support BMPs, BTRs or something better then a god damn T-55, or f#ck even a few squads of RPOs would have helped.
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    Post  VladimirSahin on Wed Jun 22, 2016 5:00 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    VladimirSahin wrote:
    calm wrote:
    #ISIS captures empty areas, all news about gaining new positions is BS, #SAA troops are in #Ithriya since yesterday.
    https://twitter.com/Syria_Protector/status/745594969398874112

    Very Happy how reliable is that? hope it is true.

    Why hope for IS to gain ground? dunno
    SAA reporter's tweet implies they we're kicked out of Raqqa altogether, loosing Zakia as well.

    Wait I didn't think that through, I meant it is good that SAA hasn't been smashed flat and OP is still good. F*ck ISIS I hope they're crushed in Raqqa by a few months.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Jun 22, 2016 5:01 pm


    Military Advisor ‏@miladvisor 5m5 minutes ago
    Battle at the #Raqqa-#Tabqa crossroad 21/6/2016

    Can someone translate?

    PS. How did the SPH catch fire? Neutral
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    Post  VladimirSahin on Wed Jun 22, 2016 5:34 pm

    Basically artillery is working on ISIS positions, ISIS positions are 1 kilometer towards the intersection, which he zooms in on the location. Artillery is working at the intersection. And then he shows towards the sides off to the distance the positions that ISIS are already in reach of. Basically sums up the video. Also the gun truck was targeted by ISIS it appears. IDK why the side of the SPG caught fire I'm assuming it was the ammo.
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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jun 22, 2016 5:34 pm

    Who Is th Ibra twit account? First he said Russia didn't help, then said they helped but very limited, claimed SyAF helped. But no reference. And spreading rumors that Russia is downsizing the base more (pulling more assets out). This guy can't get it straight.
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    Post  par far on Wed Jun 22, 2016 5:42 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Can someone remind me again how this is Russia's fault on this?  This is SAA fault.  They need to be determined if they are going to go into Raqqa, and that means full support.  They didn't.  Syria has a larger airforce in their own country than what Russia currently has stationed in Syria.  Add to that, RuAF has been concentrating on bombings in Palmyra and Northern Aleppo, so the Raqqa movement and southern Aleppo has to also get support from other airforces.  I myself would be quite happy just to have Moscow send more aircrafts (and eventually they probably will when they see SAA losing this badly again) but in time being, they cannot be everywhere at once.  For all intense and purposes, RuAF has done far more in a very short period of time than US did in over a year.

    I repeat - SyAF needs to be more involved.  I haven't heard much from them in quite some time.

    What loss of Ka-52's? You are trolling pretty hard there Kilo


    The war on Syria by NATO is not exactly Russia fault ,but is Russia responsibility
    simply because Russia have a military base in Syria and is their allies. So MR Putin
    should have know that his presence in Syria will invite NATO to attack it.. See?
    that wasnt difficult to guess? it was?

    The war in Syria began in March 2011 ,according to a Turkey journalist ,that was in Damascus
    and Hillary Clinton Demanded Assad peace with Israel ,to end its relations with Russia and IRAN and Hezbolah or War. Assad prefered loyalty to his friends and got the war.

    After the IRAQ invasion in 2003 by Bush ,it should have been Obvious by Russia ,that Assad was going to be next for being next to IRAQ. So since that time Russia had time to train the SYrian army to fight an invasion of NATO or Israel.  In 2006 Israel invaded Lebanon , and obviously
    Syria had to help Hezbolah to kick Israel from lebanon ,otherwise Latakia was going to be taken
    and SYria landlocked.  So any competent leader in Russia should have predicted that a confrontation between US + ISrael against Syria was a matter of time. So Russia was under an obligation to help Syria their allies to prepare Syria to counter any Israel/Americans invasion. At those times Syria had a lot of money ,and its GDP was 7% per year. So Russia the least of the things it could do is properly arm and train the Syrian army ,for a war that was inevitable.
    and start selling T-72 tanks to Syria properly armed with night vision and electronics. Is not like it was going to be free. Syria paid for 12 planes and many other things in 2006 that is mig-29sm with night vision and precision bombing capabilities and still in 2011 Syria did not received
    anything of what they paid.  Russia could have helped enourmously Syria by training and selling t-72 tanks to Syria ,or even help Syria to produce the tanks on Syria under license. but no. they did nothing of that. Russia waited 5 years after the war began and after Syria lost most of its territory and lost idlib to start to help Syria. Any other competent Russian President will have sent 10,000 mercenaries at least to Syria to help Assad hold Latakia and IDLIB . But he did nothing. Putin just played the political correctness card ,of not interfering in Syria and later
    was forced to interfere ,when it was clear that Syria was only a month or two away of total collapse. No When lost Idlib and Palmyra.

    Assad was full of very old military hardware and very poor conditions T-62 and T-72 tanks
    and was not properly armed to face any NATO war. and Russia could have at the very least
    upgraded all its tanks and trained its army to fight .

    Now assad after 5 years of fighting NATO proxy forces ,armed with NATO trained mercenaries and weapons ,is forced to accept to be bombed by Alqaeda and not fight back.  lol1
    So Russia position in Syria in weak as hell , is causing hundreds of civilians killed all for what?
    Because Putin did not prepared Syria military with hardware to fight any possible war.
    No one here is asking Russia to become a Charity and give away free hardware. Where Russia failed is in prepared its Syrian allies to be armed properly for a NATO war. By not selling and upgrading its armor and gear.  

    Then you have Ukraine.  lol1
    The revolution began in 2013 ,lasted for 4-5 months and Putin did nothing to save
    Yakunovych hold power , he simply AGAIN ,limited to political correctness , and allowed
    Americans to overthrow Yakunovych ,something that represent a major threat to Russia security. Russia could have send easily 5,000 fake Pro Government protesters ,to fight the Euromaidans and neutralize them. But Putin was more interested in Sochi construction than
    the violent revolution at its borders.

    So again and again , what we witness in Putin ,is a extremely Reactionary president.
    that will do nothing until things really becomes really bad. it was Putin responsibility to
    properly arm,modernize and train Syrian Army if he wanted to continue having their support.
    and prepare Syria to fight NATO until Russia could move to Syria to assist them.  But if Putin
    didn't wanted to have to deal with a War in Syria. ,then the least he could do is warn Assad
    that if he gets in trouble with NATO or Israel he will be alone. and encourage Assad to negotiate
    with Israel peace ,like Jordan and become a Puppet state. Yes Russia will have lost its military base in Syria but will have saved them from a war. So it was Putin's obligation to help Syria
    to either Avoid a war ,or to fight it. either one. But what Russia did? it encourage Assad to resist
    NATO and ISRAEL ,and later did not backup them in full when things goes bad.

    Then you have Serbia now blackmailed by Americans to Join NATO, So Serbia see the weak
    support Russia give to its allies like Syria ,and they will do right to join NATO and avoid to become another Syria. But what Russia do? Insult Serbia ,by saying is shameful if they join NATO.  No    But what other choice Serbia have? If Russia is not prepared to go to a war with NATO in support of an ally ,then Russia should stop ,STOP encouraging nations to resist. and fight their imperialism.  Because what Putin is doing, is sending a false image ,that Russia will backup any ally in case they are in trouble. even if that means war with Americans. but that is not the case. Putin from his own mouth told ,was not going to fight Americans ,not even for Syria ,when Obama was about to bomb Assad. No

    In Summary ,Putin's policies are dangerous. he is encouraging Nations to resist NATO imperialism ,but do not tell them ,that if they get in trouble they will be in their own. I will honestly will have prefered Russia leave middle east and not interfere or make any alliance with Syria. and instead pressure them to cooperate with NATO and Israel. to save so many lives.
    And even if that means lose any presence in middle east. It will have been the best thing for Russia and the best thing for Syria.  in short Putin policies are wrong. You don't encourage a friend into a fight with another,if later you are leave them alone.  What Russia is doing will be similar as if a friend of you ask you help to fight another group. then you say sure. but when you go to the fight ,you change opinion and tell your friend. that your support will be limited.

    People talks is not Russia responsiblity... bla bla bla. Is not Russia war.. bla bla bla, WRONG!
    The war against Syria is a war against Russia in reality .a Pipeline war and a war against IRAN which ultimate goal seeks to encircle Russia even in the caspian sea.
    So is Russia responsibility to not give false hopes to its allies ,who wants to be closer to Russia.


    Putin is not the genius people makes him to be. He might be a good president ,but he is not
    aware of how he is putting at risk the security of other nations with their policies. Russia needs to define which countries are red line for Russia ,that they will not allow ,no matter what to be taken by NATO and that is ready to fight to the end for them. And any other not really important for Russia security ,should be warned they will be 100% on their own if get in trouble.
    and that they will do better to not oppose NATO or Israel ,because will be alone.

    This means that Russia should stay better fighting withing the borders of their land and nothing
    else. it doesn't have the influence and alliance that American have to effectively fight far from its borders a land war.



    Very good analysis Vann, you do a good of painting the picture of what is happening.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Jun 22, 2016 5:43 pm

    Yeap, they got kicked out of Zakia crossroad. SAA is no longer in Raqqa.
    A month of progress down the dran in less than 2 days.

    Syrian Civil War: News #8 - Page 21 P_173fpqf1
    SAA Reporter ‏@Syria_Protector  22m22 minutes ago
    #MAP update: The current military situation in #Raqqa, #Tabqa, #SAA back to #Ithriyah.


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    Post  par far on Wed Jun 22, 2016 5:44 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Typical for people to bite the hand that feeds them. Russia has few jets. They ask for helicopter support? Isn't Raqqa quite far away from the Russian airbase? So how do they expect them to get there to support then fly back? Where was SyAF? Fuck them.


    You do know that a Twitter account can be made from anywhere in the world and it can be total bull shit.

    The Al-Raqqa mission should have been planned by Russia and a little bit by Iran, the SAA should have followed it because it would be the best thing.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Jun 22, 2016 5:50 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Who Is th Ibra twit account? First he said Russia didn't help, then said they helped but very limited, claimed SyAF helped. But no reference. And spreading rumors that Russia is downsizing the base more (pulling more assets out). This guy can't get it straight.

    I've been watching him. He's generally pro-Assad and pro-Iran.
    Some people tend to easily put the blame on others when their team screws up. Also some think CAS is panacea. angry

    PS. I sees you rusnews clown

    PS2. ask why SyAAF is hardly using their numerous Hinds/Gazelles and did not forward deploy them


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    Post  calm on Wed Jun 22, 2016 5:59 pm

    Good, now forget about ISIS and focus on Damascus.

    #IS have regained control of al-Zakia junction & al-Zayn hills after #SAA withdraw towards Ithriya
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    Post  OminousSpudd on Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:33 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Who Is th Ibra twit account? First he said Russia didn't help, then said they helped but very limited, claimed SyAF helped. But no reference. And spreading rumors that Russia is downsizing the base more (pulling more assets out). This guy can't get it straight.

    Vid dated June 20th shows MiG-23: https://youtu.be/0W8lL1OXzPU?t=15s

    Maybe SyAAF has been in action?
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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:17 pm

    About the recent gains of ISIS/NATO in Raqqa , people needs to remember that the war is not
    going to end with the capture of Raqqa. This can be a very long war of a decade ,because
    for example IF SAA beats ISIS in RAQQA ,then NATO can continue sending more mercenaries to other places and or encourage Kurds to fight SAA. then you have Turkey Army with 1 million man soldiers that will be ready to invade Syria at the right moment. So NATO is fighting Syria by proxy through ISIS and ALqaeda. and they can have endless amount of mercenaries to replace
    the ones defeated.  The war in Syria will only end ,by attrition  ,when Turkey give up with the war
    and gets tired and Americans too. NATO have lost wars before this way ,Vietnam is one ,Korean war is another. and in the IRAQ war ,Americans have to leave ,even after capturing all.

    So do not focus too much on territory capture ,instead on the ability of Russia and Syria to
    economically bleed US and its alliance in Syria and creation of a massive public opinion against
    Americans illegal war on Syria.  So is a conflict that will be solved politically ,and that the role
    of Russia Airforce and Syria army should be holding them ,and making impossible for the US
    coalition and its sponsored terrorist.  AS long Russia controls the airspace and keep bombing terrorist supplies ,and supply routes ,none of the terrorist will have a working state ,and they will be unable to annex any part of Syria territory.

    SYrian army focus have to be to capture territory ,but without having too much casualties.
    Because it will be a long war. and by capturing Raqqa ,means nothing in real practice unless
    they wipe all the terrorist ,which will be not the case, they always retreat . So encircling terrorist
    zones should be a major priority . Because territory will continue shifting back and forth from both sides. What matters is who can continue fighting . So far Syrian army have a much better chance to continue than terrorist, because it dominate Syria airspace. and will continue killing
    their leaders. and have most terror groups blocked from Turkey border.

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