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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:09 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:Or simply to contained Daesh forces at the south, prevented them to reinforced Raqqa. Intense Russia bombing near Aleppo was also for the same thing.

    Immediate task of SAA is to secure all the west bank of Euphrats. Probably after this push to Taqba, the next strike may be relieve Deir Ezzor, finishing the last chapters of Palmira offensive.

    Russian besides Assad are still coordinating actions with Iran and Iraq so offensive from Iraq definitely helps. For Aleppo area Tochkas can be a good way to seal Turkish border Smile
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:13 pm

    The idea IMO is simple. Aleppo is too complicated to clear for the Rebels and for SAA. When the SAA/Hesb/Iraqis pushed they moved fast and far away. This stretches the line for the defense. Same will happen to rebbels. The lines will get stretched, Russians will bomb, SAA will push them back. This underlines a clear manpower problem on both sides. Lines are shorter, the action tends to get hotter. Lines get longer, the action dies down.

    So clearing Raqqa axis and pushing as far as possible is a mean to an end. In Aleppo it's the rebel who cling to their lives, not Syrian State. So it's fairly normal they should try and free some breathing space. However, until the US commits a folly against Russian VKS, the game is a one way deal. The Russians will pound the Aleppo area at will and at ease.
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    Post  Viktor Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:27 pm

    Syrian army will capture As Sukhan to relieve Deir er-Zor (only two small villages in oasis stand in between) and to cut ISIL in halft (separate Deir er-Zor province from Raqa) and capture Tabka. Than its Alep or Raqqa.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:11 pm

    hmm or in Aleppo they also wait until cockroaches leave small holes gather in the middle of the kitchen before they light-on? Then couple of Tochkas and FABs and we have FSA astronauts Smile
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    Post  Viktor Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:35 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:hmm or in Aleppo they also wait until cockroaches leave small holes gather in the middle of the kitchen before they light-on? Then couple of Tochkas and FABs and we have FSA astronauts Smile

    Agree. They should push for the Anadan.
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    Post  Zivo Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:17 pm

    The SAA's Ar Raqqah offensive appears to have split. They have also advanced eastward and are within 6km of the junction at Resafa. Resafa sits on one of only a few available roads to the other key battlefields to the south.

    A: Tabqa Air base

    B: Resafa Junction

    C: SAA's Current hub.

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    Daesh is probably going to concentrate on holding the built up urban areas along the river bank. When the SAA hit Al-Tabaqah and Hunaydah, expect significantly more resistance. Russian gunships are going to have to do a lot of heavy lifting if Raqqa is going to be taken with haste.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:34 pm

    Zivo wrote:The SAA's Ar Raqqah offensive appears to have split. They have also advanced eastward and are within 6km of the junction at Resafa. Resafa sits on one of only a few available roads to the other key battlefields to the south.

    A: Tabqa Air base

    B: Resafa Junction

    C: SAA's Current hub.

    Syrian Civil War: News #8 - Page 13 South_11

    Daesh is probably going to concentrate on holding the built up urban areas along the river bank. When the SAA hit Al-Tabaqah and Hunaydah, expect significantly more resistance. Russian gunships are going to have to do a lot of heavy lifting if Raqqa is going to be taken with haste.

    I doubt the SAA and Iran will be able to fully seize Raqqa, they haven't been able to take Aleppo yet and ISIS will fight for every single inch in Raqqa at best they may be able to take some of the city but all of it? I am very doubtful of this.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:56 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Zivo wrote:The SAA's Ar Raqqah offensive appears to have split. They have also advanced eastward and are within 6km of the junction at Resafa. Resafa sits on one of only a few available roads to the other key battlefields to the south.

    A: Tabqa Air base

    B: Resafa Junction

    C: SAA's Current hub.

    Syrian Civil War: News #8 - Page 13 South_11

    Daesh is probably going to concentrate on holding the built up urban areas along the river bank. When the SAA hit Al-Tabaqah and Hunaydah, expect significantly more resistance. Russian gunships are going to have to do a lot of heavy lifting if Raqqa is going to be taken with haste.

    I doubt the SAA and Iran will be able to fully seize Raqqa, they haven't been able to take Aleppo yet and ISIS will fight for every single inch in Raqqa at best they may be able to take some of the city but all of it? I am very doubtful of this.
    Unlike an attack on Raqqa from the north the SAA will have the river to cross. Before they can do that it would be prudent to seize control of any sluice gates on the dams upriver or even cross over and attack SE down the east side as well as the strike from the south. This could be the plan given the division of forces. A force on the east side of the river could be a real problem for the US/Kurds.

    The more strike columns the better as it will force ISIS to split up its forces and move them to new risk areas, exposing them to potential aerial attack.

    Anyone know if there are RuAF helicopters based at Palmyra yet?
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Jun 12, 2016 9:36 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Zivo wrote:The SAA's Ar Raqqah offensive appears to have split. They have also advanced eastward and are within 6km of the junction at Resafa. Resafa sits on one of only a few available roads to the other key battlefields to the south.

    A: Tabqa Air base

    B: Resafa Junction

    C: SAA's Current hub.

    Syrian Civil War: News #8 - Page 13 South_11

    Daesh is probably going to concentrate on holding the built up urban areas along the river bank. When the SAA hit Al-Tabaqah and Hunaydah, expect significantly more resistance. Russian gunships are going to have to do a lot of heavy lifting if Raqqa is going to be taken with haste.

    I doubt the SAA and Iran will be able to fully seize Raqqa, they haven't been able to take Aleppo yet and ISIS will fight for every single inch in Raqqa at best they may be able to take some of the city but all of it? I am very doubtful of this.
    Unlike an attack on Raqqa from the north the SAA will have the river to cross. Before they can do that it would be prudent to seize control of any sluice gates on the dams upriver or even cross over and attack SE down the east side as well as the strike from the south. This could be the plan given the division of forces. A force on the east side of the river could be a real problem for the US/Kurds.

    The more strike columns the better as it will force ISIS to split up its forces and move them to new risk areas, exposing them to potential aerial attack.

    Anyone know if there are RuAF helicopters based at Palmyra yet?

    Raqqa: less than 100K people remaining. Aleppo today: around a million people on both sides of the city. Not even close to comparing. ISIS is not going to fight for Raqqa if they lose Manbij. They may try and swap Raqqa for DEZ, but if the ISIS brass have some grey cells remaining they will not waste too many people in a city that's about to get a 9thMay/4th July treatment overnight.

    However, the forces that are moving towards Raqqa are relativeley small, about 2/3K troops.
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    Post  franco Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:22 pm

    Total of Syrian settlements signing reconciliation agreements with the Government reaches 145.

    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160612/1041220262/syria-ceasefire-monitoring.html
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    Post  Zivo Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:38 pm

    One of the reasons DEZ has been so defensible is due to the Euphrates. ISIS is at their weakest when they're forced to concentrate along predictable routes. Most of their capability stems from light infantry and vehicles, the lack of armor for a spearhead and limited mobility so far have lead to some nasty defeats for them.

    After Tabqa is taken, I believe the SAA will advance as such.

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    It's worth noting that Al-Tabaqah and Hunaydah each are more or less the same size as Palmyra. These will likely be the most challenging obstacles leading up to Raqqa proper. The only way in and out of these towns for the Daesh defenders is one highway and some floodplains, they will have trouble retreating and resupplying, so the fighting could be intense. Do or Die. If they lose these, the grind up the Euphrates southern bank will be devastating for them.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:30 am

    Zivo wrote:One of the reasons DEZ has been so defensible is due to the Euphrates. ISIS is at their weakest when they're forced to concentrate along predictable routes. Most of their capability stems from light infantry and vehicles, the lack of armor for a spearhead and limited mobility so far have lead to some nasty defeats for them.

    After Tabqa is taken, I believe the SAA will advance as such.

    Syrian Civil War: News #8 - Page 13 South_12

    It's worth noting that Al-Tabaqah and Hunaydah each are more or less the same size as Palmyra. These will likely be the most challenging obstacles leading up to Raqqa proper. The only way in and out of these towns for the Daesh defenders is one highway and some floodplains, they will have trouble retreating and resupplying, so the fighting could be intense. Do or Die. If they lose these, the grind up the Euphrates southern bank will be devastating for them.
    Not that I would wish to suggest that this was a definite intent by the US but the apparent diverting of the main SDF/Kurdish attack to Manbij rather than Raqqa has had the effect of allowing ISIS to concentrate on the SAA in this area.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:57 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    Zivo wrote:One of the reasons DEZ has been so defensible is due to the Euphrates. ISIS is at their weakest when they're forced to concentrate along predictable routes. Most of their capability stems from light infantry and vehicles, the lack of armor for a spearhead and limited mobility so far have lead to some nasty defeats for them.

    After Tabqa is taken, I believe the SAA will advance as such.

    Syrian Civil War: News #8 - Page 13 South_12

    It's worth noting that Al-Tabaqah and Hunaydah each are more or less the same size as Palmyra. These will likely be the most challenging obstacles leading up to Raqqa proper. The only way in and out of these towns for the Daesh defenders is one highway and some floodplains, they will have trouble retreating and resupplying, so the fighting could be intense. Do or Die. If they lose these, the grind up the Euphrates southern bank will be devastating for them.
    Not that I would wish to suggest that this was a definite intent by the US but the apparent diverting of the main SDF/Kurdish attack to Manbij rather than Raqqa has had the effect of allowing ISIS to concentrate on the SAA in this area.

    Makes sense that they deal with Manbij, they need brown points too. Plus they are trying to backhand ISIS recent offensive on Azaz. Pushing the Kurds to help the other pet project.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:08 am

    There is talk of a second T90 captured in Mallah.
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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:34 am

    Viktor wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:hmm or in Aleppo they also wait until cockroaches leave small holes gather in the middle of the kitchen before they light-on? Then couple of Tochkas and FABs and we have FSA astronauts Smile

    Agree. They should push for the Anadan.

    FSA forces in Allepo and Idlib region has garrisioned for years, and their defense positions are well-reinforced. Terrain also helps them. It is a more complicate task to completely eradicate them. Furthermore, a lot of people still consider these cannibalists as "moderate opposition", unlike Daesh who are widely recognized as terrorists.

    SAA and Russia has been successful in containing FSA and forced them to accept a talk. But now Daesh is the priority. SAA's main role in defeating Daesh will significantly increase their prestige, and at that time dealing with FSA will be much easier.
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    Post  VladimirSahin Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:18 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:There is talk of a second T90 captured in Mallah.

    If this happens I will rage literally, T-90 series are my favorite tanks and seeing them used like this is very aggravating.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:33 am

    VladimirSahin wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:There is talk of a second T90 captured in Mallah.

    If this happens I will rage literally, T-90 series are my favorite tanks and seeing them used like this is very aggravating.

    Wouldn't be shocked now if a T-90 ends up in the United States unless Russia can recapture or destroy the vehicle.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:37 am

    They will already have the latest model T-80s anyway... I suspect the tank experts in the Ukraine were happy to spill their secrets to their new overlords... and I suspect they will think that will impress them... but at the end of the they will not get jobs in the US and live the good life like they will be expecting.

    Russia has moved on, so captured T-90s are not the end of the world.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:14 pm

    VladimirSahin wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:There is talk of a second T90 captured in Mallah.

    If this happens I will rage literally, T-90 series are my favorite tanks and seeing them used like this is very aggravating.

    Claim was bullshit. No confirmation what so ever.

    As for the inspection, yes given NaZ is a US vetted terror group, they most probably will have pictures and details, but the T90 captured was already largely kown since basically 2000 when They tried to woo the Turks to buy Russian.
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    Post  Isos Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:33 pm

    VladimirSahin wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:There is talk of a second T90 captured in Mallah.

    If this happens I will rage literally, T-90 series are my favorite tanks and seeing them used like this is very aggravating.

    It's not a realy big issue, if your men knows how to use the tank it will be devastating on the ground. Every military man knows how a kornet works and it didn't made the kornet's use more complicated.

    It's the same with tanks. As all tanks, the T-90 is less armourd on the side and on the top so they will try to attack it on sides and rear. It's the same with Abrams, russians know its weakness without evaluating it. You know it's hourse power, it's weight, it's elevation degrees of the gun : it's already a lot of information to use for tactics.

    And I'm sure russians changed communication systems on it before sending it to Syria. So it's not a big issue
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:15 pm

    SAA Reporter ‏@Syria_Protector 6h6 hours ago

    #US Boeing CH-47 Chinook participating the battle for #Manbij in northern #Syria
    via: @DrPartizan_

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:24 pm

    Progress east continues

    Two days after liberating the village of ‘Arak in east Palmyra (Tadmur), the Syrian Arab Army’s 60th Brigade of the 11th Tank Division, alongside the National Defense Forces (NDF) and Russian Air Force, imposed full control over the T-3 Military Airport after an intense battle with the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham (ISIS) terrorists.

    According to an Al-Masdar field correspondent, the Syrian Armed Forces killed over 20 Islamic State militants and destroyed a large number of armored vehicles that were mounted with anti-aircraft machine guns. As a result of this large advance in the east Homs countryside, the Syrian Armed Forces have opened the road to the imperative desert village of Al-Sukhanah, which is located along the International Highway to the Deir Ezzor Governorate.

    Currently, the Syrian Armed Forces are advancing towards Al-Sukhanah from two different axes, leaving them only 28 km west and 31 km south of the aforementioned village.


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    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-fully-liberates-t-3-airport-opens-strategic-road-sukhanah-map/ | Al-Masdar News
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:27 pm

    BM-21 GRAD ‏@bm21_grad 4h4 hours ago

    Some kind of RC plane captured by SyAA during Raqqa operation

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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:57 am

    JohninMK wrote:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ck2SwTZW0AAxCBg.jpg

    So SDF suffered some setbacks at Manbji cauldron ? Hopefully it was just temporal.

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