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    Re: BTR-80/82 APCs and variants: News

    Post  GarryB on Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:41 pm

    Well that is excellent news.
    It is strange that they had no mentioned accuracy problems regarding the Lynx (The recon model of the BMP-3 which only has a 2A72 cannon and no 100mm gun).

    Of course they are talking about accuracy at 4km range which would be the max effective range of the weapon against ground targets.

    The introduction of new thermal sights is interesting too... previously the BTR series was the cheap transport option, so the fact that it is getting modern thermal sights suggests pretty much every vehicle in the Russian military will be able to fight at night and all weather.


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    Post  TR1 on Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:24 am

    Now I don't know how much this plays in, but Lynx has the gun mounted in the turret, which I imagine is a much stiffer base than the BTRs mounting arm.

    Also there were very few reco BMP-3s bought, so who knows if it was ever even an issue.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:33 am

    What I don't understand is that the 2A72 was designed from the outset to have a long recoil stroke... the idea being to delay the opening of the chamber. The 2A42 had problems at its higher rate of fire of filling the crew compartment with fumes. The solution for the BMP-2 was to just fire at the lower rate.

    The 2A72 with its longer recoil stroke and delayed opening of the chamber was supposed to have eliminated the problem completely, but clearly they have designed the weapon assuming that will be attached to a 100mm gun barrel as a sort of barrel weight to further improve accuracy.

    Note there was nothing wrong with the accuracy of the 2A42, which is also used on external mounts like on the original BMPT and of course on the current Russian attack helos of Ka-52 and Mi-28N, where there is of course no fumes problem possible due to the external nature of the mounts.

    If all it takes is a simple barrel shroud to fix the problem then that is great... they can apply that to the Lynx and it has the added advantage of reducing the IR signature of the weapon too and also protecting it from small arms fire as well.


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    Re: BTR-80/82 APCs and variants: News

    Post  medo on Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:58 am

    I think the problem of 2A72 is, that it is too light gun, what means gun barrel is also light and weaker than the one on 2A42 gun. Maybe outside additional tube will also help with cooling the gun, what is quite important for longer fire.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:57 pm

    It is certainly a very light weapon at 85kgs, but I would assume that a proper mount should be able to support it properly during firing.

    I rather suspect it is more of a case that the original sights are set up to allow for the fact that it was attached to a large heavy 100mm gun and when fitted without that gun the harmonics are different leading to a wider spread of impacts at long range.

    Adding a shroud to improve accuracy and allow for better cooling and presumably reducing the signature of the weapon seems to be a good thing.

    I just wonder why they went for something you'd see over a SMG barrel instead of the supporting structure as seen on the Kliver turret. I suspect it has more to do with cooling than with support.

    The 2A72 has a slightly higher muzzle velocity with standard rounds (970 vs 960m/s) compared with the 2A42, but also has a much lower rate of fire at 330rpm compared with the 2A42s 200-300 rpm at its low rate and 550rpm+ at its high rate.

    The strange thing for me is that the 2A42 was OK as long as you fired at the lower rate. If the replacement weapon has a similar low rate of fire then why replace it?

    Ahh well... both seem to be powerful and accurate weapons in their standard mounts.


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    Post  TR1 on Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:24 am

    I wonder how they can justify purchasing BTR-82 when Bommerang is around the corner...all the meanwhile denying the VDV new vehicles.
    Cost is certainly much higher for BMD-4M than BTR-82, but then again, the VDV doesn't need as many vehicles either.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:00 am

    The BTR-82 will likely sell well on the export market, while the BMD-4M is really only a speciality item.

    Of course having said that the VDV are elite and they shouldn't skimp on money for them.

    To be honest I would love to see the VDV get its own fleet of 80 odd An-70s so they don't need to go to the heavy transport part of the airforce.

    They would be ideal for the purpose and allow quite heavy vehicles to be landed on rough airstrips.

    Landing by parachute restricts the max weight of their vehicles, but capturing a small airfield or even flat open patch of ground to enable aircraft to land could allow them to use much heavier and more capable vehicles.

    Regarding the BTR-82 I wouldn't mind one myself, though I would prefer it with no armour so that it is not so heavy,and I am in to astronomy so replace the gun package with a really big telescope, and keep the sights. Instead of armour they could make it out of thick modern plastic that wont rust and is strong and waterproof... I don't need it to be bullet proof, but having it float would be useful.

    Drive it up central otago away from the street light pollution and just look at the stars from the middle of a lake somewhere... do a bit of night fishing...


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    Post  medo on Tue Oct 02, 2012 2:39 pm

    I'm more interested in new Agat sight with thermal imager and laser range finder. If it could also follow gun to highest elevation as existing one could, than it could became standard sight for new families of armored vehicles. They have only to install missile guiding channel.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:08 am

    Indeed, and imagine a pack of 4 ready to launch Kornet EM missiles on the side of the turret... or two on each side like the BMP-2 upgrade...


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    Re: BTR-80/82 APCs and variants: News

    Post  medo on Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:26 pm

    How many BTR-82A(M) will they buy in 2013?
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    Post  TR1 on Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:59 pm



    Nice photo.

    However: http://izvestia.ru/news/544331

    According to Izvestya, AMZ being attacked by MOD for missing BTR-82 delivery contract.

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    Post  Vympel on Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:16 am

    http://gurkhan.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/82.html

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    Between the Ministry of Defense and the military-industrial complex, another scandal broke. According to "News" from the military establishment, hard claim is Arzamas Engineering Plant (AMZ) for disrupting the supply of two hundred modernized BTR-82 in the framework of the state defense order (SDO). This is almost 60% of the state defense order for armored personnel carriers for the years 2011-2012.
    - Disruption of the state defense order was evident at the end of last year, and we immediately began to find out what was wrong. I can only say that the results of the preliminary proceedings at the plant suffered a number of responsible leaders, one of the deputies shot the director in charge of the BTR-82, as well as several heads of departments, - the "News" source in the Defense Ministry.
    Sources of "Izvestia" indicate that the cause of failure was signed last year between the plant and the contract of "Rosoboronexport" for supply of BTR-82 and BTR-80 foreign buyer. For whom these machines has not been disclosed. Order turned up suddenly, and AMZ was not ready to increase the volume of production.
    A representative of one of the departments of the Ministry of Defense in charge of ensuring the state defense order, said "News", which claims to AMZ estimated at tens of millions of rubles.
    - The exact amount of penalty is calculated, but for 200 cars will be impressive amount. Manufacturers need to feel responsible for the failure of supplies, - he says.
    BTR-82 equipped with a motorized infantry brigade of the Southern Military District, and marine units in the Caspian Sea and Black Sea. 200 armored personnel carriers - a complete set of one infantry brigade of the new image. As part of the SOUTH often busy counter-terrorism measures, the lack of an entire armored brigade painfully affected the whole county, stressed the source.
    The exact number of armored vehicles that AMZ has to supply troops, he called refused, citing the secrecy of information. The source said only that the contract signed in 2010, and the Army has about 250 cars. And according to experts, the total number of BTR-82 in the armed forces closer to 1.5 thousand, about a third of them - the new, the rest converted from an older model BTR-80.
    BTR-82 - is the latest modernization of the Soviet model of the BTR-80A. It is armed with a 30mm automatic cannon, is more powerful than its predecessor, the 320-hp engine KamAZ, a new radio station, autonomous satellite navigation channels, active laser-pulse illumination, which allows the commander to detect the enemy at distances up to 3 km. Thus its value in today's local conflicts has increased significantly.
    The machine should be completely replaced by 80-ku conversion or issue new ones. The next main "workhorse" Army should be a promising BTR "Boomerang", which promises to be shown at the end of this year.
    In the Military-Industrial Company, which manages the Arzamas Engineering Plant, "News" confirmed that the disruption of supplies was, but could not name the reason for secrecy.
    - This is the state defense order, and its parameters are secret. The Ministry of Defense, we reported about these reasons, - said the representative of the Military-Industrial Company.
    Another source in the defense hinted "News" that the supply disruptions caused by the congestion of AMZ orders for "Rosoboronexport", which sells armored cars to Kazakhstan and a number of other foreign armies. Officers of the Army Technical Services called 82-ku good machine, but the 80-ka, in their opinion, better.
    - BTR-82 well armed, optics and excellent engine. Is that suspension seat in the troop compartment unaccustomed soldiers, especially in body armor and weapons. But the 82 th stuffed with electronics, it must be properly maintained. It is suspected that even the officers are not always right, not what soldiers odnogodichniki - SOUTH doubt officer.
    He called the "oak" the old BTR-80, which is very clear, "hindered and very talented fighters." To realize the potential of the 82-th model requires professionals, so that the current personnel would be better to "oak", sums up the source "news."
    Independent expert on the history of Russian armored Khlopotov Alex believes that BTR-82 is a temporary measure, for all its modern units.
    - We still designed BTR-90, but it is a machine of another, more difficult and expensive class. 82nd is more suitable for a mass army of the Soviet type and good for a transitional period, as worked out, reliable, relatively inexpensive, well-armed and protected. In any case, the troops needed "Boomerang" - he said "News."
    Expert called bad sign non-compliance of contractual obligations and the defense industry did not see anything special in the boot AMZ export sales to the detriment of domestic. According to his observations, many buyers of armored vehicles in Asia and Africa put a non-disclosure to the time when the brand new tanks and armored vehicles arrive to the place of deployment.
    Head of the Press and Information Ministry of Defense, Colonel Igor Konashenkov at the time of publication was unable to provide comment.

    Interesting if true - 1,500 of them or so. And AMZ punished for prioritising export orders at the expense of the domestic program.
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    Post  TR1 on Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:01 am

    Those numbers are fantasies.

    Izvestya keeps lowering the bar.
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    The last vehicle in that row is not a Tigr. It is not a BTR-80 or 82 either

    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:56 am


    The last vehicle in that row is not a Tigr. It is not a BTR-80 or 82 either.....BOOMERANG or KARATELIA??????
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    Post  Zivo on Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:46 am

    It looks like the BTR-80 command vehicle. The front of it doesn't have the wheel well like the regular BTR-80's.
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    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:58 am

    Don't think it is a BTR series vehicle. Shape of hull is different.
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    Post  Zivo on Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:14 pm

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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:50 pm

    It's just a case of the last Tigr having its front door wide open in front of the BTR-80 variant behind it, giving the illusion of some new monster vehicle.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:56 am

    I agree with Zivo here... it looks to me like the GAZ-59039 (BMM) variant of the BTR series with enlarged front superstructure.

    Developed from the BTR-80 it is used as a command vehicle, ambulance, or recon vehicle.


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    Post  TheArmenian on Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:11 pm

    I stand corrected. Thanks Zivo.

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    Post  xeno on Tue May 07, 2013 2:38 am

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    So, this is how BTR-82AM looks like. Of course, its is my guessing.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue May 07, 2013 10:36 am

    So, this is how BTR-82AM looks like. Of course, its is my guessing.

    Makes it look like a bad movie prop doesn't it?

    It is supposed to increase rigidity/stability during firing, while also increasing the amount of metal in the weapon which should improve cooling of the barrel.

    I rather suspect that extra mass would further reduce rate of fire as the 2A72 is a long recoil version of the 2A42... the former reduces gases in the turret by recoiling further before the chamber is opened and the empty shell is replaced with a live round. Adding a heavy jacket should increase the area to cool the barrel and also reduce the rate of fire by reducing the recoil speed.


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    Post  TR1 on Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:41 am

    http://lenta.ru/news/2013/12/06/btr82a/

    The Samara separate motor-rifle brigade has received a batch of 31 BTR-82s. In the next two months, it will receive 129 more vehicles of this type, for total delivery of 160 BTR-82s in 2013.

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    Post  Asf on Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:35 pm

    BTR-82A1
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    Post  Viktor on Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:18 pm

    Large shipment of BTR-82A coming up  thumbsup 

    CVO peacekeepers received new armored vehicles

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