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    Re: BTR-80/82 APCs and variants: News

    Post  franco on Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:16 am

    eridan wrote:Which units in russian army use BTR80/82 and which use heavier vehicles like BMP? Tank brigades should be using IFVs along their tanks, right?  Does that mean that infantry brigades mostly use BTRs? Or do they too use a mix of BMP and BTR? IF so, in what ratio?

    2 or 3 maneuver battalions per brigade? 3 companies per battalion, 3 platoons per companies, 3 BTR/BMP per platoon?
    Are BMPs and BTRs mixed, like 1 batallion of each, or are there simply "heavier" brigades equipped solely with BMP serving alongside "less heavy" brigades equipped solely with BTRs?

    1. Motor Rifle, Spetsnaz, Naval Infantry and Reconnaissance units use the BTR80/82 in a combat role.
    2. Tank brigades & regiments use BMP's.
    3. Presently there is the following Ground Forces brigade & regiment usage; 16 use MT-LB's, 9 use BTR-80/82, 4 use BMP-3, 10 use BMP-2 and 5 use BMP-1. Naval Infantry battalions uses MT-LB's and BTR-80/82 plus 1 battalion of BMP-2's. These represents prime usage. There would be a mix of all types within brigades end even battalions.
    4. Brigades are generally 3 battalions of Motor Rifle and 1 of Tank or vice versa in a Tank brigade / regiment. Specialized brigades / regiments (mountain, arctic, naval infantry, machine gun) may have only 2 battalions of motor rifle and no tanks.  
    5. Brigades usually fight as BTG's or Battalion Tactical Group(s). This would generally be a motor rifle battalion (3 companies and a mortar battery)  supported by a company of tanks and SP Artillery. Plus additional Air Defense, Anti-Tank, Engineers, Rocket Artillery, Reconnaissance, etc as required. Brigades / regiments generally have 1-2 of these BTG's made up of totally professional soldiers (contract) and the other units are made up of mixed contract soldiers with conscripts.
    6. There are 6 Tank brigades / regiments and they would just reverse the motor rifle / tank ratio in their BTG's. They use BMP-3's and BMP-2's in their Motor rifle units.

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    Re: BTR-80/82 APCs and variants: News

    Post  eridan on Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:32 am

    Thank you! That was a very in depth explanation.

    That'd amount to some 2000 IFVs in active use maneuver units. Plus probably a few hundred more in various training centers?

    And roughly 2500 APCS (both tracked and wheeled) in maneuver units. Though total of these might be significantly higher, as one would expect even non-maneuver unit personnel (Support personnel in various brigades) are driving around in these? So totals might be even twice as high?

    Who would then be using various Tigr-like, typhoon-like armored cars and vehicles? Would they be seen in numbers in maneuver brigades or only in support/spec ops units?

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    Post  franco on Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:48 am

    eridan wrote:Thank you! That was a very in depth explanation.

    That'd amount to some 2000 IFVs in active use maneuver units. Plus probably a few hundred more in various training centers?

    And roughly 2500 APCS (both tracked and wheeled) in maneuver units. Though total of these might be significantly higher, as one would expect even non-maneuver unit personnel (Support personnel in various brigades) are driving around in these? So totals might be even twice as high?

    Who would then be using various Tigr-like, typhoon-like armored cars and vehicles? Would they be seen in numbers in maneuver brigades or only in support/spec ops units?

    Probably mix of around 200+ APC / IFV per brigade (combat and support). A battalion would have 40 BMP and 43 BTR/MT-LB for their combat element.

    Tigr's are in Spetsnaz and Reconnaissance units. But there are not many around yet. Typhoons are in Spetsnaz, Reconnaissance and the 56th Airborne brigade. There would be less then 200 of each of these types presently active. Would expect that production which has only been around 50-60 vehicles a year to now double as kinks are worked out.

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    Re: BTR-80/82 APCs and variants: News

    Post  franco on Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:00 am

    Further to the above discussion. A BTR-80AM/82A equipped with the 30mm cannon has technically become an IFV. The same as the MT-LBM which is equipped with the BTR-80A turret. With the announced plan to convert another ~350 BTR-80 to BTR-80AM. That should make all BTR brigades & regiments along with the Naval Infantry battalions so equipped. That along with the 4-5 brigades of MT-LBM equipped units increases your IFV / APC unit ratio.

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    Re: BTR-80/82 APCs and variants: News

    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:17 am

    I found this site interesting:

    http://balagan.info/soviet-order-of-battle-and-doctrine-in-the-cold-war

    If anyone has any better information I would be interested in reading that myself... Smile


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    Re: BTR-80/82 APCs and variants: News

    Post  franco on Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:33 am

    I have books, manuals and copied pages of books coming out of the ying yang. You'll have to come over and check them out Smile

    Thanks for the link. I'll check it out later.

    In the interim, have you checked out this site; http://www.milkavkaz.net/2015/12/vooruzhjonnye-sily-rossii.html

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 08, 2016 3:50 am

    Thanks... will fire up my Yandex addon to Firefox and have a look.

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    Re: BTR-80/82 APCs and variants: News

    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:49 am

    More than 100 of the latest BTR-82AM will enter service before the end of 2016


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    Re: BTR-80/82 APCs and variants: News

    Post  Militarov on Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:14 pm














    Some "well" made welds on BTR-82A. Arzamas machine-building factory is in deep shit if all their welders work like this.

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    Re: BTR-80/82 APCs and variants: News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:33 pm

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    Some "well" made welds on BTR-82A. Arzamas machine-building factory is in deep shit if all their welders work like this.

    Yeah, seems like Ukrappy quality. Then again weld quality is more important in heavy armor (especially turret welds), and the BTR-80/82's were never designed to survive serious anti-armor munitions.

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    Re: BTR-80/82 APCs and variants: News

    Post  Militarov on Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:54 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Militarov wrote:






    Some "well" made welds on BTR-82A. Arzamas machine-building factory is in deep shit if all their welders work like this.

    Yeah, seems like Ukrappy quality. Then again weld quality is more important in heavy armor (especially turret welds), and the BTR-80/82's were never designed to survive serious anti-armor munitions.

    Thing is.. this is baaad welding. Horrible welding actually.

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    Re: BTR-80/82 APCs and variants: News

    Post  Militarov on Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:39 pm








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    Re: BTR-80/82 APCs and variants: News

    Post  Militarov on Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:40 pm



    Doesnt seem to be combat damage to me... so i got no clue what happened here.

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