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    Re: BTR-80/82 APCs and variants: News

    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:07 am

    I am not so sure. The first signal may be for programing the detonation time and the second one may be for locking to avoid being re-programed by enemy interference after that?

    If it communicates via laser beam with the rounds in flight then the light sensors that detect the signal from the laser must be in the base of the 30mm projectile and therefore looking back at the launch platform rather than forward at the enemy.

    This should make it rather difficult for the enemy to send false commands as the round wont see them.


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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:29 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    I am not so sure. The first signal may be for programing the detonation time and the second one may be for locking to avoid being re-programed by enemy interference after that?

    If it communicates via laser beam with the rounds in flight then the light sensors that detect the signal from the laser must be in the base of the 30mm projectile and therefore looking back at the launch platform rather than forward at the enemy.

    This should make it rather difficult for the enemy to send false commands as the  round wont see them.

    One signal for programming distance, second signal measures how far -off it is, then cycle repeats for second round with corrective time fuze to make it better and cycle repeats and repeats.

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    Post  kopyo-21 on Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:30 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    I am not so sure. The first signal may be for programing the detonation time and the second one may be for locking to avoid being re-programed by enemy interference after that?

    If it communicates via laser beam with the rounds in flight then the light sensors that detect the signal from the laser must be in the base of the 30mm projectile and therefore looking back at the launch platform rather than forward at the enemy.

    This should make it rather difficult for the enemy to send false commands as the  round wont see them.

    One signal for programming distance, second signal measures how far -off it is, then cycle repeats for second round with corrective time fuze to make it better and cycle repeats and repeats.

    Thank you Werewolf. Why don't they do this much simply and more accurately by equipping a muzzle velocity sensor in gun muzzle like 2A38?
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:54 am

    It is extremely likely that the electronic device inside the 30mm projectile is very simple and small because there is very little room in there for a laser beam detector and any electronics as well as some HE and fragmented shell case that does the damage on target.

    In that regard I suspect the two signals from the firing vehicle are timed at a specific interval so the fire projectile can determine its own speed and the time at which it needs to explode over the target.

    If one laser flash armed them and a second set them off that would not work as a stream of dozens of shells in flight would all be armed at different distances and explode at different distances.

    A coded laser beam must therefore signal the rounds to indicate to them the flight time to the target so they detonate at the same range position.


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    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:22 pm

    Russian Military to Receive BTR-82 Armored Vehicles Designed for Arctic

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/20161005/1046041432/russia-military-arctic-armoured-btr.html


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    Post  eridan on Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:30 am

    Which units in russian army use BTR80/82 and which use heavier vehicles like BMP? Tank brigades should be using IFVs along their tanks, right? Does that mean that infantry brigades mostly use BTRs? Or do they too use a mix of BMP and BTR? IF so, in what ratio?

    2 or 3 maneuver battalions per brigade? 3 companies per battalion, 3 platoons per companies, 3 BTR/BMP per platoon?
    Are BMPs and BTRs mixed, like 1 batallion of each, or are there simply "heavier" brigades equipped solely with BMP serving alongside "less heavy" brigades equipped solely with BTRs?
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    Post  franco on Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:16 am

    eridan wrote:Which units in russian army use BTR80/82 and which use heavier vehicles like BMP? Tank brigades should be using IFVs along their tanks, right?  Does that mean that infantry brigades mostly use BTRs? Or do they too use a mix of BMP and BTR? IF so, in what ratio?

    2 or 3 maneuver battalions per brigade? 3 companies per battalion, 3 platoons per companies, 3 BTR/BMP per platoon?
    Are BMPs and BTRs mixed, like 1 batallion of each, or are there simply "heavier" brigades equipped solely with BMP serving alongside "less heavy" brigades equipped solely with BTRs?

    1. Motor Rifle, Spetsnaz, Naval Infantry and Reconnaissance units use the BTR80/82 in a combat role.
    2. Tank brigades & regiments use BMP's.
    3. Presently there is the following Ground Forces brigade & regiment usage; 16 use MT-LB's, 9 use BTR-80/82, 4 use BMP-3, 10 use BMP-2 and 5 use BMP-1. Naval Infantry battalions uses MT-LB's and BTR-80/82 plus 1 battalion of BMP-2's. These represents prime usage. There would be a mix of all types within brigades end even battalions.
    4. Brigades are generally 3 battalions of Motor Rifle and 1 of Tank or vice versa in a Tank brigade / regiment. Specialized brigades / regiments (mountain, arctic, naval infantry, machine gun) may have only 2 battalions of motor rifle and no tanks.  
    5. Brigades usually fight as BTG's or Battalion Tactical Group(s). This would generally be a motor rifle battalion (3 companies and a mortar battery)  supported by a company of tanks and SP Artillery. Plus additional Air Defense, Anti-Tank, Engineers, Rocket Artillery, Reconnaissance, etc as required. Brigades / regiments generally have 1-2 of these BTG's made up of totally professional soldiers (contract) and the other units are made up of mixed contract soldiers with conscripts.
    6. There are 6 Tank brigades / regiments and they would just reverse the motor rifle / tank ratio in their BTG's. They use BMP-3's and BMP-2's in their Motor rifle units.

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    Post  eridan on Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:32 am

    Thank you! That was a very in depth explanation.

    That'd amount to some 2000 IFVs in active use maneuver units. Plus probably a few hundred more in various training centers?

    And roughly 2500 APCS (both tracked and wheeled) in maneuver units. Though total of these might be significantly higher, as one would expect even non-maneuver unit personnel (Support personnel in various brigades) are driving around in these? So totals might be even twice as high?

    Who would then be using various Tigr-like, typhoon-like armored cars and vehicles? Would they be seen in numbers in maneuver brigades or only in support/spec ops units?
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    Post  franco on Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:48 am

    eridan wrote:Thank you! That was a very in depth explanation.

    That'd amount to some 2000 IFVs in active use maneuver units. Plus probably a few hundred more in various training centers?

    And roughly 2500 APCS (both tracked and wheeled) in maneuver units. Though total of these might be significantly higher, as one would expect even non-maneuver unit personnel (Support personnel in various brigades) are driving around in these? So totals might be even twice as high?

    Who would then be using various Tigr-like, typhoon-like armored cars and vehicles? Would they be seen in numbers in maneuver brigades or only in support/spec ops units?

    Probably mix of around 200+ APC / IFV per brigade (combat and support). A battalion would have 40 BMP and 43 BTR/MT-LB for their combat element.

    Tigr's are in Spetsnaz and Reconnaissance units. But there are not many around yet. Typhoons are in Spetsnaz, Reconnaissance and the 56th Airborne brigade. There would be less then 200 of each of these types presently active. Would expect that production which has only been around 50-60 vehicles a year to now double as kinks are worked out.
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    Post  franco on Fri Oct 07, 2016 12:00 pm

    Further to the above discussion. A BTR-80AM/82A equipped with the 30mm cannon has technically become an IFV. The same as the MT-LBM which is equipped with the BTR-80A turret. With the announced plan to convert another ~350 BTR-80 to BTR-80AM. That should make all BTR brigades & regiments along with the Naval Infantry battalions so equipped. That along with the 4-5 brigades of MT-LBM equipped units increases your IFV / APC unit ratio.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 07, 2016 12:17 pm

    I found this site interesting:

    http://balagan.info/soviet-order-of-battle-and-doctrine-in-the-cold-war

    If anyone has any better information I would be interested in reading that myself... Smile


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    Post  franco on Fri Oct 07, 2016 12:33 pm

    I have books, manuals and copied pages of books coming out of the ying yang. You'll have to come over and check them out Smile

    Thanks for the link. I'll check it out later.

    In the interim, have you checked out this site; http://www.milkavkaz.net/2015/12/vooruzhjonnye-sily-rossii.html
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 08, 2016 4:50 am

    Thanks... will fire up my Yandex addon to Firefox and have a look.

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    Some "well" made welds on BTR-82A. Arzamas machine-building factory is in deep shit if all their welders work like this.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:33 pm

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    Some "well" made welds on BTR-82A. Arzamas machine-building factory is in deep shit if all their welders work like this.

    Yeah, seems like Ukrappy quality. Then again weld quality is more important in heavy armor (especially turret welds), and the BTR-80/82's were never designed to survive serious anti-armor munitions.
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    Post  Militarov on Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:54 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Militarov wrote:






    Some "well" made welds on BTR-82A. Arzamas machine-building factory is in deep shit if all their welders work like this.

    Yeah, seems like Ukrappy quality. Then again weld quality is more important in heavy armor (especially turret welds), and the BTR-80/82's were never designed to survive serious anti-armor munitions.

    Thing is.. this is baaad welding. Horrible welding actually.
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    Post  Militarov on Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:40 pm



    Doesnt seem to be combat damage to me... so i got no clue what happened here.
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    Post  George1 on Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:09 am

    New variant BTR-82B for the Russian National Guard

    A BTR-82A except the tower.



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2362607.html


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    Post  Militarov on Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:03 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    KiloGolf wrote:That's just horrible work. Reminds me of my first TIG/MIG welds as freshman lol1

    Cant say i am good welder, i weld something simple now and then in "household" as they say. But i weld better than this, actually alot better than this.

    I still can't, for my life, weld aluminium. pwnd

    To be really good requires MIG and years of practice.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:48 am

    i cant understand all this conflict in discussion. And all started from me by posting a BTR-80 variant for National Guard


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    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:59 am

    Deliveries to the SMF of combat counter-sabotage machines "Typhoon-M" and their trainers

    According to the January 9, 2017 Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Russian Federation Ministry of Defence, has completed the development and testing of anti-sabotage combat vehicles (BPMD) "Typhoon-M", designed for the protection and defense missile systems Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN).

    Currently BPDM "Typhoon-M" enter the compound, rearming on mobile ground missile systems (PGRK) "yars". In 2016 the Strategic Missile Forces received 14 such machines, for 2017 planned delivery of 12 more BPDM.



    Fighting anti-sabotage machine (BPDM) "Typhoon-M" designed for the benefit of the SMF-is based on BTR-82. It is designed for reconnaissance in position areas in the radar, optical and infrared wavelengths as well as the fight against sabotage and reconnaissance groups of the enemy.

    BPDM uniqueness lies in its complex equipping intelligence tools, including unmanned aircraft that can detect the enemy at a distance of 5 km.

    Along counter-sabotage machines in the SMF enters a unique simulator for training of military guard units and intelligence to find subversive groups in the areas of invisibility opt-electronic and radio-electronic means.

    Due to the multi-functionality of simulator it allows to train all crew BPDM - by the driver to hand remote-controlled platform.

    The newest models fitness complex tactical situation in the area of ​​active actions of subversive groups, all fixed and movable objects, including motor vehicles and personnel of the enemy. System simulation tactical situation allows you to control the appearance of the effects of explosions, gunfire and tracer bullets.

    The simulator makes it possible to control the actions of the trainees in real-time, capturing each of the calculation error numbers automatically. Television monitoring system allows the head of studies to observe the actions of all members of the crew.

    In the educational building, simulating combat starting position PGRK "yars" "soldiers learn to establish intelligence-signaling devices designed to detect spies in all weather conditions, regardless of the time of day.

    In 2016 the Strategic Missile Forces was delivered 10 simulators BPDM "Typhoon-M", another 20 such complexes will go up to 2020.

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    Fighting anti-sabotage machine (BPDM) 15TS56M "Typhoon-M" was designed in 2007-2012 for the benefit of the SMF-based on BTR-82. BPDM" Typhoon-M "is intended for the protection of combat missile complexes RVSN, reconnaissance in position areas in the Strategic missile Forces radar, optical and infrared wavelengths, and anti-sabotage and reconnaissance units of the enemy. The complex reconnaissance BPDM "Typhoon-M" consists of small UAVs "Aileron-3CB." The machine is a further development of BPDM 15TS56 "Typhoon", created in the 1990s on the basis of the BTR-80, but not commercially produced.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2366705.html


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    BTR-80 APC

    Post  franco on Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:00 pm

    More than 140 armored personnel carriers BTR-82A entered the Western Military District for the rearmament of motorized rifle divisions of newly formed military units, says the release.

    The press service recalled that "BTR-82A is a deep modernization of armored personnel carriers BTR-80 and BTR-80A that are in service with the Russian army and exceeds their predecessors in almost all indicators."

    New combat vehicles have more powerful engines, weapons, as well as modern digital systems for stabilizing weapons, surveillance and sighting. It is also noted that "the new armored personnel carrier is equipped with protection against debris and air conditioning."
    "To improve command control ability, the machine is equipped with modern fifth-generation communication facilities and the" Tron-1 "topographic orientation system," the report said.



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