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    Re: BTR-80/82 APCs and variants: News

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:10 am

    This would need a overhauling of the recoil reducing capabilities. And putting the weight up.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:04 pm

    Because of the velocity of the gun it would be interesting if they developed a full calibre APHE (ie armour piercing High explosive).

    This would be devastating to lightly armoured vehicles and positions as it would penetrate inside them before detonating.


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    Re: BTR-80/82 APCs and variants: News

    Post  hoom on Sat Aug 20, 2016 2:57 pm

    Kinda surprised they are still working on upgrades/new builds with Bumerang on the way Suspect

    An article I read (can't remember where sorry) suggests the existing BTR82 with the 30mm cannon is already pushing the suspension/amphibious capability -> is unlikely to be possible to mount the Baikal.
    Pretty huge firepower upgrade if they can pull it off though.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Aug 20, 2016 3:30 pm

    hoom wrote:Kinda surprised they are still working on upgrades/new builds with Bumerang on the way Suspect

    An article I read (can't remember where sorry) suggests the existing BTR82 with the 30mm cannon is already pushing the suspension/amphibious capability -> is unlikely to be possible to mount the Baikal.
    Pretty huge firepower upgrade if they can pull it off though.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 21, 2016 11:51 am

    Also the new vehicles wont enter service instantly so existing models still require upgrades to make them effective.

    Vehicles kept in reserve need upgrades to make them worth keeping for the moment too.

    Even just the application of new ERA and APS systems can make an ancient tank much more capable and survivable on a modern battlefield.


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    Post  hoom on Mon Aug 22, 2016 1:19 pm

    Vehicles kept in reserve need upgrades to make them worth keeping for the moment too.
    True.
    Also I realised if they upgrade old BTR hulls now, later they can retire the hull & move the turret to a new build Armata/Kurganets/Bumerang.
    As long as they can get it to fit old BTRs without much work its possibly an incredibly clever way to get the better firepower fielded ASAP thumbsup

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    Post  Benya on Thu Aug 25, 2016 5:50 pm

    New contract to be signed about the modernization of the BTRs

    The new contract for the modernization of armored personnel carriers BTR-80 BTR-82AM

    The portal of public procurement in June 2016 were laid nebezynteresnyesvedeniya the purchase of JSC "81 armored repair plant" (Armavir, Krasnodar region, the company is a part of JSC "Scientific and Production Corporation" Uralvagonzavod "Dzerzhinsky") from a single supplier the right to conclude a contract for the supply of the CI-126 tires in the amount of 2584 units. Bylzaklyuchen Contract with LLC "Investment Company" Amtel "(Moscow) in the amount of 82,606,399 rubles 44 kopecks, including VAT (the tires themselves KI-126 manufactured by JSC" Kirov Tyre Plant ", owned by Pirelli group).

    Documentation on this contract can be concluded that the CI-126 tires are purchased as part of a new three-year state contract 81st BTRZ with the Russian Ministry of Defense number 1618187312061422241000270 of 21 April 2016 for modernization in the years 2016-2018 BTR-80 variant BTR-82AM. Given the fact that for every eight APCs need tires, it is easy to calculate that the contract provides for the modernization of 323 units. Including data, taking into account the bus delivery schedule CI-126 - in 2016, 78 armored personnel carriers (624 tires), 2017 100 BTR (bus 800) and the 2018 BTR 145 (1160 buses).

    The correctness of these calculations confirmed subcontracting 81st BTRZ a modernization in the same state contract:


    - Production and supply of batteries 12 ST-85RM: in 2016 - 156 units (set for two units on one APC - a total of 78 cars in this year).

    - Supply of components for the BTR-82AM - 323 units. By year fighting in the lines: box relay KR40-3S rotating VKU330-2 contact device, the filter F-5 (the remaining difference).

    - Manufacturing and delivery of rigging grid - 323 units.

    - Production and supply of components to the spare parts - 323 units of each item.

    Recall that in the prior three-year contract for the 2014-2016 years, signed April 21, 2014, 81 minutes BTRZ being upgraded to Ministry of Defense of Russia 316 BTR-80 variant of the BTR-82AM, including 120 units in 2014, 134 - in 2015 and 62 - in 2016. The total contract price is 6.77 billion rubles. For this 81-m BTRZ were purchased, respectively, CI-2528 bus 126 (including 960 tires in 2014 year).

    In addition, 81 minutes BTRZ currently sells as a contract for the modernization of 17 BTR-80 armored personnel carriers in the option-82AM for the Russian Interior Ministry, which were purchased, respectively, 136 tires CI-126.

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    Post  franco on Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:49 pm

    If this actually represents another 323 BTR-80's being upgraded to BTR-82AM standard, this should complete the conversion of all Ground Force Motor Rifle battalions using BTR-80's to BTR-80A, BTR-82A or BTR-82AM standard.

    EDIT:

    bmpd just filed a story about the conversation of 323 BTR-80 to 82AM standard plus 240 R-145BM (BTR-60PU command & signal) to R-145BM1 standards. Vehicle closer to BTR-80 standards with much improved communications and navigation equipment.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2087250.html

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    Post  Benya on Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:25 pm

    Maybe this is part of the planned modernization program Question


    Russia’s BTR-82A APCs to integrate new thermal imager in October

    The Military Industrial Company (Russian acronym: VPK, Voyenno-Promishlennaya Kompaniya) is planning to finish the trials of the BTR-82A armoured personnel carrier (APC) equipped with a thermal imager in October 2016, according to the Director General of VPK, Alexander Krasovitsky.


    A Russian BTR-82A APC

    "The sighting system with an integrated thermal imager has been assembled. At present, it is being integrated with the BTR-82A APC. We suppose that the relevant trials will be finished in October 2016. When the test program has been successfully completed, VPK will start the serial production of the upgraded carrier," Krasovitsky said. He added that the enhanced BTR-82A APC would be able to detect targets at a 3,000 m distance in harsh environment by day and night.

    BTR-82A is the latest development of the BTR-80 armoured personnel carrier. The massive deliveries of the vehicles to Russia`s Armed Forces have started in 2011. BTR-82A features a unified manned turret, an air cooling unit, and an advanced navigational system.

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    Post  kopyo-21 on Sun Sep 04, 2016 5:23 pm

    Hi all. I am new to the forum and would like to say hello to every one.

    I am reading an artitle about BTR-82A. In which they explaned how the TKN-4GA-02 sighting system remotely control and set time fuse by laser pulse for 30mm airburst rounds fired from 2A72 gun. This source written by Russian so I have to translate to English and some translation are not clear enough for me to I understand. Could some Russian members here help me please?

    This artitle here: http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201503291027-casm.htm

    What I need to help is "«При отлете снаряда на 50 метров отправляется первая кодовая посылка, еще через 20 метров – вторая, и т.д. " that explained how the TKN-2GA-02 send the laser pulse to projectitle to set the undermining time.

    Thank you very much in advance.

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    Post  hoom on Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:50 am

    I read it (used Yandex) as: range from laser rangefinder (+ windspeed?) + muzzle velocity go into fire control computer -> time to target comes out (variable in 1-2m increments out to 1km) & electronically set on the shells as they are shot.
    Pretty sure that kind of thing has been around for a while.

    That specific bit
    With the departure of the projectile 50 meters sent the code first package, another 20 meters – the second, etc.
    I think means each shell/burst can have different ranges set.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:19 am

    Interesting.

    The 125mm HE shells in the T-90 tanks use ANIET to set the time fuses when they are loaded into the main gun, but this system seems to arm and set the fuses while the rounds are in flight towards the target...

    Very interesting.


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    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:21 am

    For 30mm shells the muzzle devices on the Tunguska are specially designed for 30mm cannon shells where one barrel of each gun has a shield and the other has an induction coil.

    The barrel with the coil measures muzzle velocity which is added to the calculations to make the rounds more accurate.


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    Post  kopyo-21 on Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:47 pm

    hoom wrote:I read it (used Yandex) as: range from laser rangefinder (+ windspeed?) + muzzle velocity go into fire control computer -> time to target comes out (variable in 1-2m increments out to 1km) & electronically set on the shells as they are shot.
    Pretty sure that kind of thing has been around for a while.

    That specific bit
    With the departure of the projectile 50 meters sent the code first package, another 20 meters – the second, etc.
    I think means each shell/burst can have different ranges set.

    Thank you Hoom.

    As I understand but not sure is the system will send two commands through laser pulse to the flying projectile in order to set the detonation time, the first is sent within 50 meters from departure and the second is sent 20 metter after that. What I am still confusing is why they set to send 2 commands instead of 1. Is the second command for backup in case the first one failed to be received by the projectile?

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:47 am

    Hard to say... the first signal will probably arm the fuse and the second signal will set the time based on the ballistics of that round and its velocity.


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    Post  kopyo-21 on Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:29 pm

    GarryB wrote:Hard to say... the first signal will probably arm the fuse and the second signal will set the time based on the ballistics of that round and its velocity.

    Thank you Garry. Normally the projectile uses its acceleration and rotation to generate ignition energy and open the axial lock and S&A (put the detonator to the arm position) so I think the TKN-4GA-02 will not need to send command to arm the fuse anymore.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:22 pm

    That would be an impact detonator... these rounds wont contact the target... they will detonate in mid air after a period of free flight... the time of detonation being determined by calculation of target position and intercept location and time of flight of the round.

    I would assume they don't use a radio or laser proximity fuse... they use likely a time and impact or graze fuse to set off the main charge...

    This is a serious improvement on older shells of this type that used a simple set time fuse where they detonated about 1km from the muzzle for use against ground targets.

    I suspect if it sends two signals that one is clearly the count down time to detonation... the other could be an arming signal... what else could it be?


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    Post  kopyo-21 on Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:39 am

    GarryB wrote:I suspect if it sends two signals that one is clearly the count down time to detonation... the other could be an arming signal... what else could it be?
    I am not so sure. The first signal may be for programing the detonation time and the second one may be for locking to avoid being re-programed by enemy interference after that?

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    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:57 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:No worse than BTR-4...are you freaking serious lol?pwnd scratch Suspect  That's an insult more than a compliment...the BTR-4 was notorious for it's Hohol-low design of poor weld quality, and pathetic quality control, which is a notorious/infamous trait of the Ukrappy's lmao!!! lol1

    You forgot about BTR-4 being dangerously overweight and unstable in driving. As they increased the size and mass of the hull but maintained pretty much the same suspension system and wheels... it is a complete disaster of an APC.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:07 am

    I am not so sure. The first signal may be for programing the detonation time and the second one may be for locking to avoid being re-programed by enemy interference after that?

    If it communicates via laser beam with the rounds in flight then the light sensors that detect the signal from the laser must be in the base of the 30mm projectile and therefore looking back at the launch platform rather than forward at the enemy.

    This should make it rather difficult for the enemy to send false commands as the round wont see them.


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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:29 am

    GarryB wrote:
    I am not so sure. The first signal may be for programing the detonation time and the second one may be for locking to avoid being re-programed by enemy interference after that?

    If it communicates via laser beam with the rounds in flight then the light sensors that detect the signal from the laser must be in the base of the 30mm projectile and therefore looking back at the launch platform rather than forward at the enemy.

    This should make it rather difficult for the enemy to send false commands as the  round wont see them.

    One signal for programming distance, second signal measures how far -off it is, then cycle repeats for second round with corrective time fuze to make it better and cycle repeats and repeats.

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    Post  kopyo-21 on Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:30 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    I am not so sure. The first signal may be for programing the detonation time and the second one may be for locking to avoid being re-programed by enemy interference after that?

    If it communicates via laser beam with the rounds in flight then the light sensors that detect the signal from the laser must be in the base of the 30mm projectile and therefore looking back at the launch platform rather than forward at the enemy.

    This should make it rather difficult for the enemy to send false commands as the  round wont see them.

    One signal for programming distance, second signal measures how far -off it is, then cycle repeats for second round with corrective time fuze to make it better and cycle repeats and repeats.

    Thank you Werewolf. Why don't they do this much simply and more accurately by equipping a muzzle velocity sensor in gun muzzle like 2A38?

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:54 am

    It is extremely likely that the electronic device inside the 30mm projectile is very simple and small because there is very little room in there for a laser beam detector and any electronics as well as some HE and fragmented shell case that does the damage on target.

    In that regard I suspect the two signals from the firing vehicle are timed at a specific interval so the fire projectile can determine its own speed and the time at which it needs to explode over the target.

    If one laser flash armed them and a second set them off that would not work as a stream of dozens of shells in flight would all be armed at different distances and explode at different distances.

    A coded laser beam must therefore signal the rounds to indicate to them the flight time to the target so they detonate at the same range position.


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    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:22 pm

    Russian Military to Receive BTR-82 Armored Vehicles Designed for Arctic

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/20161005/1046041432/russia-military-arctic-armoured-btr.html


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    Post  eridan on Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:30 am

    Which units in russian army use BTR80/82 and which use heavier vehicles like BMP? Tank brigades should be using IFVs along their tanks, right? Does that mean that infantry brigades mostly use BTRs? Or do they too use a mix of BMP and BTR? IF so, in what ratio?

    2 or 3 maneuver battalions per brigade? 3 companies per battalion, 3 platoons per companies, 3 BTR/BMP per platoon?
    Are BMPs and BTRs mixed, like 1 batallion of each, or are there simply "heavier" brigades equipped solely with BMP serving alongside "less heavy" brigades equipped solely with BTRs?

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