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    BTR-80/82 APCs and variants: News

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:55 pm

    Production of new APCs in Arzamas start in 2010



    Arzamas Machine Building Plant, which is managed by LLC "Military-Industrial Company", will begin serial production of armored personnel carriers BTR-82 and BTR-82A in 2010. This Interfax reported citing a statement issued press secretary Sergei Suvorov military-industrial complex.

    Testing of new armored vehicles, which represent a modification of BTR-80, completed in February 2010. Then, according to Suvorov, "must be decided on the adoption of their arsenals." After that AMZ will begin mass production of new machines.

    Sergei Suvorov, said that the new armored vehicles differ significantly from the BTR-80, so the Ministry of Defense has assigned them new indexes. BTR-82A is equipped with 30-millimeter cannon, and BTR-82 - 14.5-millimeter machine gun. Tower equip armored vehicle stabilization and new weapons sights.

    Serial production of BTR-80 began in 1984. Later it was created three versions of the armored personnel carrier. The car can reach speeds of up to 80 kilometers per hour and covered a distance of 600 kilometers. BTR-80 are in service with more than two dozen countries.

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    Re: BTR-80/82 APCs and variants: News

    Post  Sukhoi37_Terminator on Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:16 pm

    What about the BTR 90?
    will the production of BTR 82 influence the BTR 90`s production?
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:35 pm

    Sukhoi37_Terminator wrote:What about the BTR 90?
    will the production of BTR 82 influence the BTR 90`s production?

    We are still procuring BTR-90 and getting major upgrades in 2011. The total procurement by 2015 is only 600 so I doubt if it will cut into it.
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    Re: BTR-80/82 APCs and variants: News

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:42 am

    600? is that total by 2015 for both btr-80 an 90? Or is that just 90?
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:19 am

    sepheronx wrote:600? is that total by 2015 for both btr-80 an 90? Or is that just 90?

    Just BTR-90...
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    Post  Viktor on Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:17 pm

    Whats the price of BTR-82?
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:02 am

    Viktor wrote:Whats the price of BTR-82?

    Probably $500k...
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:07 pm

    You need to look at the BTR-90 as a separate vehicle from the BTR-80/82 series.

    The whole purpose behind the BTR-60/-70/-80 series was low cost.

    The original BTR-60 used the cheapest available engine at the time, which was taken from a commonly used truck.

    The engine wasn't powerful enough on its own so they had to use two.
    It added great complication and caused lots of overheating problems having two engines in one vehicle but it kept purchasing costs down and spares were easy to come by.

    The focus was to get every Soviet soldier in armour, so while the west poured scorn on the funny wheeled BTR because of its thin armour and unreliable engine setup western forces were being transported in trucks with no armour at all.

    The BMPs were far too expensive to use for every soldier and for some units being able to travel quickly on roads over long distances was more important than being able to travel across rough country.

    Thus they had motor rifle units with BMPs and motor rifle units with BTRs.

    The old BTRs are about to be replaced with BTR-82s and BTR-82As.

    The BTR-90s will be used most likely for roles previously performed by BMPs like recon, but in situations where the firepower of a BMP-2 is needed but its tracks and noise are not. BTR-90s are much faster than BMP-2s and probably have comparable side and rear armour.

    The cheap BTRs allowed the Soviets to fully mechanise their forces.

    The new BTR-82s will allow them to continue that tradition though even the cheap BTRs will have things the crews of the BTR-60s could only dream of.

    As the new T-90s will likely have some connection to the armies network I would guess the new APCs and MICVs will have something similar.
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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:50 am

    NIA "Nizhny Novgorod" - Arseny Nightingale) Arzamas Machine Building Plant (AMZ, Arzamas, Nizhniy Novgorod region) began to develop a new armored "sleeve" on the basis of the BTR-90. This is the press spokesman of the plant.

    A company representative said that the new APC engine is not installed behind and in front, allowing the crew parachuted behind the machine, rather than on the sides, as it was before. BTR in its characteristics exceed the BTR-80 and BTR-82.

    APCs equipped with cannon, machine gun, ATGM (two shots with an interval of two seconds), allowing twice to increase its armor-piercing. APC will be more maneuverable. Diameter of turning against the existing samples (13 meters), according to spokesperson AMZ, "will be much less."

    BACKGROUND:

    BTR-90 - Combat wheeled amphibious vehicle type 8x8, which has a cannon and machine-gun and grenade launchers with antitank missile systems and reinforced armored is equipped with life support systems. Armored personnel carrier designed to transport infantry units (units of the Marine Corps of the Navy) and fire support them on the battlefield and fighting out of the car. On the BTR-90 incorporates a new original scheme of transmission. The flow of power from the engine to the hydraulic gear is distributed through the differential mechanism into two parallel flow along the sides of the machine.

    JSC Arzamas Machine Building Plant "- a company located in the perimeter of the management company" Military-Industrial Company (Moscow), which in turn is a subsidiary enterprise OJSC Russian Machines. " The only enterprise in Russia for the production of wheeled armored vehicles. AMZ by producing BTR-70 BTR-80 BTR-80A and BTR-90, STS "Tiger" and "Vodnik.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:23 am

    I have read that the BTR-90 was rejected because of its side doors and that it is going to be redesigned with the engine up front and a ramp rear door is going to be fitted so its production will be delayed till the redesign has been completed.
    Can anyone else confirm this?
    Regarding the BTR-82/a I came across this article:

    <BLOCKQUOTE>
    DATELINE: MOSCOW July 16
    The Military Industrial Company plans to manufacture a trial batch of new BTR-82 (BTR-82A) armored personnel carriers before the end of 2010.
    “In August we expect to start the procedure of commissioning the APCs and in the fourth quarter of this year the Arzamas-based machine- building plant should manufacture a trial batch of new APCs for troop trials,” the company’s spokesman Sergei Suvorov told Interfax-AVN.
    Production and delivery of the new APC to the troops could start next year, he said. “We hope that the government will make an order for BTR-82s and BTR-82€s from 2011,” Suvorov said.
    The BTR-82 (BTR-82A) should replace the BTR-80 (BTR-80A), he said.
    “There is no sense in producing four types of APCs for the Russian Army, because with the production of the BTR-82 (BTR-82€), there will be no more orders for the supply of BTR-80s and BTR-80As,” Suvorov said.
    The production of BTR-80s (BTR-80As) might continue under contracts with foreign customers, he said.
    The BTR-82 (BTR-82A) is the product of a deep upgrade of the BTR-80 (BTR-80€). The firepower of the BTR-82 (BTR-82A) APC is enhanced thanks to the installed unified armament module with electric actuators and a digital two-plane gun stabilization system coupled with a new round- the-clock optical sighting system. A 30-millimeter 2A72 gun or a 14.5- millimeter KPVT machine gun and a coaxial 7.62-millimeter PKTM machine gun can be used as the main weapon in the armament module.
    Other types of artillery weapons, including foreign made, can be mounted on the unified module.
    The carrier’s protection is enhanced thanks to the use of new shatterproof protection made from modern synthetic materials on the internal surfaces of the hull, including on the floor, the new energy- absorbing bottom with two-levels of protection, and special suspension seats for the crew and landing force.
    A set of measures to raise the APC’s amour allowed the carrier’s endurance to be raised by 20%, to ensure protection of the crew, the APC’s units and systems protect it against armor-piercing bullets from suppressive weapons from close combat infantry units at a distance of 100-meter,s and against a second attack in case the APC’s main armor was pierced.
    A more powerful diesel engine, new transmission elements and a new suspension are mounted on the new APC, which allows for increases in the vehicle’s mobility.
    The new APCs retain all the water propulsion properties of their predecessors, which makes them easily capable of overcoming water barriers.
    The 24 hour optics are interesting... thermals or image intensification? Perhaps cheaper QWIP thermal camera with no cooling system?
    So powered stabilised armament with other weapons optional.
    An important feature not mentioned is that the 14.5mm version has a continuous belt of 500 rounds instead of 10 x 50 round belts that had to be loaded manually... I am sure the gunner will appreciate that.
    I have heard mention that the A model with the 30mm gun can use new ammunition with a time fuse for airburst rounds like the ANIET system for the 125mm tank ammo.
    Would assume that if a 30mm grenade launcher is added it could use the new improved grenades with more HE power and better aerodynamic shape that reach out to 2,100m.
    I wonder if there is any chance of the Balkan 40mm grenade launcher being introduced any time soon?</BLOCKQUOTE>
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    Re: BTR-80/82 APCs and variants: News

    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:08 pm

    BTR-82 is a BTR-80A on steriods. It still doesn't deal with the fundamental problems of the original design. This trial batch will be exactly that, just a trial. Same goes for BTR-90... we need a brand new design.

    The sighting system is CCTV, it doesn't even have a thermal mode.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:22 am

    It ticks most of the boxes though.
    It is good enough right now but will need replacing when there is money and a design that can replace it.
    Probably with the interem nature of the design it probably doesn't make sense to put thermal sights in a vehicle that costs less than the sights mounted in it.
    The work on redesigning the layout of the BTR-90 can no doubt also be applied to the BTR-82 when it is finalised too.
    Of course there is also a fundamental shift in its purpose as well, as I mentioned above there were lots of reasons to design it the way they did and those reasons made sense when you had to be able to move a 3 million strong army.
    Now with all units in a full state of readiness you wont really have hi and low units where the high unit has all the latest stuff and low units had older stuff and more BTRs than BMPs and also the high unit is in East Germany while the low unit is in central siberia.
    With a reduction in force size all units will need to be mobile to be able to shift to a front when needed as quickly as possible.
    I would guess also that with the new military districts structure that some districts will have more wheeled units because of their mobility and the quality of the roads, while other districts will need to rely more on tracks because of a lack of roads.
    Having a lot fewer than 65,000 APCs will also mean upgrades can be better.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:49 am

    Began production of the initial batch of new armored vehicles

    Moscow. October 28. Interfax-AVN - Production of the initial batch of BTR-82 and BTR-82a will be completed at the Arzamas Machine Building Plant "to the end of the year, told Interfax-AVN spokesman LLC Military-Industrial Company (MIC), Sergei Suvorov.

    "It began production of the initial batch of upgraded BTR-82 and BTR-82a," - he said.

    According to him, we are talking about dozens of armored personnel carriers, which will take place after the manufacture combat tests.

    "There is no issue for the Army are four types of APCs, so with the release of the BTR-82 and BTR-82a for the Russian army an order to supply, and BTR-80 BTR-80A will be terminated", - said Sergey Suvorov.

    According to him, the old model, APC will continue to be produced for foreign customers.

    BTR-80A is equipped with 30-mm gun, and BTR-82 - 14,5 mm machine gun. Tower of both APCs will be unified. "
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    Post  medo on Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:36 pm

    Any news about BTR-90?
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    Post  medo on Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:31 am

    Will Russian MVD and interior army also buy BTR-82/BTR-82A or will they go on other vehicles like Tigr, Vystrel, SPM-3?
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:12 am

    AFAIK from reading various articles including those above the original BTR-80 and BTR-80A will only be produced for export for customers who still operate them and still want them.

    My guess is that all the new light units in the Russian Army will operate with BTR-82/A type vehicles and that interior ministry forces and other organisations that currently operate BTR-80s will also make the switch, though some might make the switch to BTR-90 depending on whether that cost and/or extra performance is warranted.

    I think for some roles that lighter vehicles will always be needed to replace the BRDM-2 and unarmoured vehicles used like 4 wheel drive vehicles like the landrover and jeep equivlents.

    Such better protected vehicles will improve safety.

    (Would add Vodnik to your little list too)

    Will Russian MVD and interior army also buy BTR-82/BTR-82A or will they go on other vehicles like Tigr, Vystrel, SPM-3?

    SPM-1 Tigr might not make it to widespread service because its engine is American. The Tigr-M has a new Russian engine, but the Tigr, SPM-3, Tigr-M, Vodnik and Vystrel, or for that matter the T-98, but they will need a wide range of vehicles for different roles.
    I suspect that the licence production of the Iveco vehicle will influence things, but I also think the Russian Army has plans for vehicles for its light brigades too.

    It has been a while since they bought new vehicles so a lot of likely different types will be bought for different purposes over the next few years.

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    Post  Austin on Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:34 pm

    The BTR-90 really looks like a bad ass , just the perfect BTR till date. I just hope they standardise on BTR-90
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:03 pm

    Austin wrote:The BTR-90 really looks like a bad ass , just the perfect BTR till date. I just hope they standardise on BTR-90

    It suffers the same design problems as the BTR-80 series. Until we get a BTR that doesn't lead to soldiers sitting on the roof, we do not have an acceptable model.

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    Post  Austin on Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:40 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    Austin wrote:The BTR-90 really looks like a bad ass , just the perfect BTR till date. I just hope they standardise on BTR-90

    It suffers the same design problems as the BTR-80 series. Until we get a BTR that doesn't lead to soldiers sitting on the roof, we do not have an acceptable model.

    Vlad , Can you please explain in detail the issues with BTR-80 and how it has been carry forwarded with BTR-90 and why the latter is still a bad deal ?
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:47 am

    Actually it is quite common for soldiers to sit on the roof of an armoured vehicle when the dominant threat is mines and enemy small arms fire is unlikely.

    I have seen lots of photos of US soldiers sitting on M113s in Vietnam because the mine threat and the RPG threat meant sitting on top was safer than inside... also the heat made the inside pretty unbearable too from what I have read.

    There was talk of redesigning the BTR-90 with a front mounted engine and a large rear ramp door so getting in and out will be easier.

    With increases in mobility Russian troops will need to carry a lot more equipment on their backs than they did before so a large ramp door will make getting in and out easier and quicker.

    Side doors can be useful too of course.

    This might effect amphibious capability too unless new more buoyant armour can be developed or they make it larger by adding flotation cells... the PT-76 was very resistant to LAWs apparently because of the floatation cells that helped it float... perhaps they can turn that sort of thing to their advantage?
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    Post  medo on Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:04 pm

    More interesting is, that Russian army will next year also evaluate Centauro and Freccio IFV, as some sources said. I wonder if those vehicles will be Italian for evaluation or Russian MoD buy them and which vehicle will they compare with, maybe BTR-90?
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:25 am

    They will likely buy some and give them a good test too to compare what is made locally with them.

    If these Italian vehicles have fundamental advantages... much better armour, better modularity, more efficient manufacturing process, etc etc then they will most likely start licence production.

    Of course if they test a BTR-90 equivelent against the BTR-90 and find the only advantage of the Italian version is better armour then they might buy the new light armour technology and apply it to the BTR-90 instead of making the new Italian vehicle. If the Italian vehicle has better armour and better entry and exit and better this and better that then you might just find they produce the Italian vehicle with Russian arms and engines.

    Russias wheeled brigades will need a wheeled "tank" with firepower, now that role might be satisfied by the BTR-90M with the BMP-3 turret with a 100mm rifled gun, 30mm cannon and tube launched guided missiles, or they might demand a full 125mm gun like the SPRUT in a wheeled vehicle. Shouldn't be impossible.

    Or they could go a different way because light brigades shouldn't be fighting tanks and go for a 57mm automatic gun as the "tank" vehicle that can't really take on enemy first line tanks but with a new modern APFSDS round could deal with any enemy IFV from the front at fairly long range. The added bonus would be laser homing shells could deal with UAVs and point targets at long range.

    A problem the Russian armed forces had in Georgia was dealing with UAVs... obviously the BUK could bring them down but it is rather expensive. The Igla would have trouble dealing with them especially if they are flying high (5,000-6,000m) especially due to their small IR signature, and towed anti aircraft guns in 23mm just can't reach high enough. A boosted 57mm guided cannon shell might do the trick. Pantsir could also do the job of course as IR signature is not so important as it could use radar or day optics.
    UAVs are only going to become more common and more of the threat.

    Regarding which vehicles they will compare them with, I would say Typhoon, Boomerang, and Kurganets-25 as these will be the next generation Russian vehicles. For licence production remember they have to build the factories and produce the tooling and train a workforce and buy the raw materials needed etc etc.
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    Post  medo on Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:38 pm

    I think the only problem with BTR-90 is, that it doesn't have back doors, but side doors. Maybe this make it worse for IFV or APC role, but as a vehicle it could serve in other roles with SPRUT-SD turret or ATGMs as tank hunter, as air defense vehicle, as CP, as communication vehicle, etc, where is no need for back doors and is better armored than older BTR-80.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:18 am

    I have spoken to some soldiers who say that armoured vehicles often get attacked from behind and that side doors are actually a good idea when fire is coming from the front, the rear or one side that the other side can be used to exit and is safer from enemy fire.

    I have also heard from those who have been in a BTR series vehicle that the side exits are small and hard to get out of with a lot of kit on.

    AFAIK the BTR-82/A vehicles are stopgap vehicles while the company redesigns the vehicle for a rear ramp exit. Personally I think hydraulic two piece side doors would also be a good idea with the bottom opening down like a step and the top opening up to give plenty of room to get out. Hydraulics would allow heavy armoured doors be used so they don't create armour weak points... I would want 50 cal protection all round plus slat armour for RPGs.
    I would put the engine up front and have a large ramp door at the back also with hydraulic opening and closing and 50 cal protection.

    To fit the side exits I would put a larger gap between the middle wheels.
    A proper V shaped hull with spaced armour to add buoyancy for river crossings without preparation and I would keep the BTR-82 style turrets but because they would not enter service till 2015 or so I would give them QWIP optics sensitive in long, medium, and short wave IR and from IR through the visible light spectrum to UV so it can be used day and night. QWIP optics should end up being similar in price to the photon detector chips in digital video cameras rather than the $20-60K US prices of thermal imagers today.

    What I have described above might be what the light new chassis called Typhoon is, as the Kangaroo and Kurganets-25 will likely be BMP-3 like vehicles (perhaps wheeled and tracked respectively or maybe not).

    Of course Typhoon might just be a bit simpler and not have the side doors... it really comes down to analysis of Russian and Soviet experience in combat and peacetime and what works and what doesn't.

    The rear ramp is most likely and V shaped hull also likely too.
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    Re: BTR-80/82 APCs and variants: News

    Post  medo on Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:49 pm

    BTR-82/A is not IFV, but APC to carry troops near front line and not to support troops on battle field. For that role back door is not that necessary and the side doors are good enough. After all a lot of helicopters in that role have side doors (I know, not a good comparison). BMPs must have back door to protect troops while exiting in battle field. What is actual role of BTR-90? Is it a wheeled IFV like BMPs or an APC like BTR-80? With Berezhok turret it is armed as IFV and have better armor than BTR-80, but that still does not mean, it will do a role of IFV.

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