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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  OminousSpudd on Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:42 pm

    Project Canada wrote:Its confirned, Syrian mi-25 attack helo downed by Isis terrorists, 2 russian instructors killed. Muslim Isis sympathizers rejoicing on youtube commemts Rolling Eyes

    Rejoicing everywhere as usual. SyAAF has been taking heavy losses lately.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Resistance on Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:00 am

    Mi-35M shot down. Both pilots KIA. RIP.

    http://video.amaq.co.za/v/Rh09072016-360.mp4

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:26 am

    Re the Mi-35 loss, it looks to have been a misfire of one of their own artillery rockets?  The footage shows the chopper attacking with rockets, and the 3rd one clearly misfires (no departing smoke trail) and the tail rotor is blow off by debris.

    All losses to these filthy takfiri dgs is to be lamented, and lets not give these ISIS or JaN rats any credit. This was simply bad luck.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Vann7 on Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:40 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:Re the Mi-35 loss, it looks to have been a misfire of one of their own artillery rockets?  The footage shows the chopper attacking with rockets, and the 3rd one clearly misfires (no departing smoke trail) and the tail rotor is blow off by debris.

    All losses to these filthy takfiri dgs is to be lamented, and lets not give these ISIS or JaN rats any credit. This was simply bad luck.


    there is two major theories..

    some say it was its own rocket that exploded in the tail of the chopper.
    The other is it was a manpad/tow.

    whatever it was , it hit the tail of the chopper.

    So either the terrorist attacked from a high elevation point the tail.. or the rocket launched
    by the helicopter failed and hit the blades of the tail?

    If the video is the correct one.. if.. then is certain then ,that the chopper was not returning to the base ,as indicated by Russian staff and was still fighting. and another thing clear is that the explosion hits the tail ,and that it looks that the angle of attack was high. or it could be simply
    be ,the chopper own rockets when was firing them, one failed to launch and exploded on the tail of the chopper. my guess was a manpad.

    in any case ,All this high elevation mountains pose a real threat to any helicopter in the world , because if not manpad ,any 30mm gun mounted in the mountain , could finish any attack helicopter with sustained fire.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Solncepek on Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:53 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    ...The other is it was a manpad/tow.

    Fvcking hummericans give Tow to the green "freedom fighters".
    Then the green "freedom fighters" give Tow to Isis.
    Then Isis shot down russian helicopters with them.

    Russia will not tolerate the green "freedom fighters" ANYMORE!

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    Post  Boshoed on Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:00 am

    The explosion that hit the tail-rotor seemed to be quite large not what I would expect from a failure of an unguided rocket, and, it was an explosion, debris from a rocket would look a lot different I think.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:06 am

    Boshoed wrote:The explosion that hit the tail-rotor seemed to be quite large not what I would expect from a failure of an unguided rocket, and, it was an explosion, debris from a rocket would look a lot different I think.

    Not really. An exploding rocket could rupture the canister and result in debris including one of more separated warheads. A warhead struck by the stabilizer blades and detonating would make an appreciable bang...

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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:31 am

    according to alsmadar news  there is  a new twist to the story..  Laughing


    allegedly the defense ministry says it was an accident ,malfunction of a rocket.



    According to the Russian Ministry of Defense, the helicopter’s third missile accidentally struck the aircraft’s tail during launch due to a technical error, causing the helicopter to plunge towards the ground.



    So we will know in the near future for sure what really happened.
    and investigation of the crash scene will reveal the facts. if any sign of manpad
    or tow attack. or if indeed was a rocket accident.  The pilots bodies were rescue
    already by Russia special forces.

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/video-russian-helicopter-crashes-raid-isis-near-palmyra-two-pilots-dead/

    If this story is confirmed , Russia will need to redesign the helicopter tail or improve the
    security of the rockets and the position they launched.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:02 pm

    Vann7, that's fully consistent with the video, so my money is on technical fault rather than any action by the snack-bar monkeys...

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Project Canada on Sun Jul 10, 2016 2:51 pm

    But just in the event that it was downed by American tow, can we atleast see American choppers getting downed by Iglas please Putin? This is an apparent back stabbing by US for supplying Isis with sophisticated systems. This calls for a tit for tat response and i hope to see it very soon. I think it would be fair to say that American blood needs to be spilled to balance the equilibrium in this incident.

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    Post  Resistance on Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:49 pm

    I find it ridiculous Russia refuses to supply counter battery radars to SAA the way the US does to Ukraine. You see that mortar sitting there for minutes, could have been easily wiped out if SAA has counter battery radars to locate artillery. dunno I swear to god it seems Putin wants this senseless war to drag on forever rather than end it by supplying counter battery radars to SAA.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/4s4xe1/video_from_alzenki_showing_clashes_on_the/


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    Post  calm on Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:41 pm

    Veteran helicopter pilot Ryafagat Khabibulin, who died in battle in Syria’s Homs, was among Russia’s most decorated and renowned military pilots. He had taken part in multiple operations in the North Caucasus over the last 25 years.
    Ryafagat Khabibulin (b. 1965) graduated from Air Force school in 1988 and was stationed in Poland with the 55th combat helicopter regiment, where he trained to replace helicopter pilots taking part in the Afghanistan campaign.

    In February 1989, all Soviet troops were withdrawn from the country and Khabibulin continued to train with senior officers, as some 85 percent of the pilots in his unit had served missions in Afghanistan. They taught the younger pilots the tactics and tricks of warfare in the mountains.

    In 1992, Khabibulin’s helicopter squadron was redeployed back to Russia, in the southern Krasnodar region.
    In autumn 1992, pilots of the 55th squadron flew missions to curb the conflict in the North Caucasus between the Ingush and the Ossetians.

    The squadron then took part in putting an end to the conflict between Georgia and Abkhazia. In 1993-1994, Ryafagat Khabibulin spent the whole148 days of the Georgian-Abkhaz conflict on missions.

    During the 1994 campaign in Chechnya, Khabibulin's helicopter came under fire from militants. Ninety-seven bullet holes were later found in the aircraft's fuselage. Everybody onboard was killed except the pilot, who suffered a fragmentation wound to the face and had his right thigh shot through. Close to blacking out, in a cabin full of smoke and spilled fuel, Khabibulin managed to secure the aircraft. He spent the next eight months in hospital.
    Despite serious injuries, Khabibulin stepped back into the ranks and continued service in Chechnya until 1996.

    From Chechnya, Khabibulin returned to Abkhazia. He monitored the truce there, only to return to Chechnya in 1999, when Chechen militants led by Shamil Basaev attacked nearby Dagestan, thus beginning the second Chechen campaign.

    By that time he was one of the most experienced military helicopter pilots in Russia. After the active phase of the operations was over, Lieutenant-Colonel Ryafagat Khabibulin was regularly deployed to Chechnya where his squadron operated from the Khankala airfield.
    When Georgia attacked South Ossetia in August 2008, Khabibulin went on sorties in the Ossetian Mountains. During one, his helicopter evacuated 12 wounded soldiers from the battlefield.

    In his numerous rescue missions, many of them in extreme weather conditions or under fire, Khabibulin saved the lives of at least 40 wounded soldiers. He received numerous commendations for his skill.

    His last assignment Ryafagat Khabibulin came this spring, when he was deployed to Syria as pilot-instructor.

    Lieutenant-Colonel Ryafagat Khabibulin and weapons system operator Evgeny Dolgin died in combat in the Syrian province of Homs on July 8, when their Mi-25, after having fired on a group of advancing Islamic State militants, was hit with a missile in their tail and crashed to the ground.
    Later, the Defense Ministry announced: "The skillful actions of the helicopter pilots pushed back the terrorist attack and thwarted their effort to pierce through the Syrian Army defenses" in the area.

    Ryafagat Khabibulin and Evgeny Dolgin are now to be posthumously decorated with top state awards.

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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:51 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:Vann7, that's fully consistent with the video, so my money is on technical fault rather than any action by the snack-bar monkeys...

    regardless of what it was... the death is still consequence of American sponsored terrorism in Syria. Because had Americans did not promoted the war , and not backing ISIS and ALqaeda in Syria to overthrow Assad, then Russia will have no need to be there in a war.

    So directly or indirectly ,any Russian killed in Syria is consequence of Americans proxy war again
    Russia and Syria there.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:05 am

    Clearly a misfire, so I wonder why all the false statements and misreporting? I must admit to disappointment that official sources seem to be being less than truthful about the circumstances of this loss.

    Lets console ourselves with turning more Wahabbi snack-bar monkey-men into steaming heaps of fertiliser and undoing all of the evil plans of the god-damned Uh'murikkkans and their medieval Turk-Saudi inbreds.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:02 pm

    Well lets be fair, the officials probably only had information from friendly forces in the area and depending upon what they saw and reported you could get all sorts of different stories going around... I doubt the crew itself knew what actually happened...


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    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:34 pm

    Russia publishes book on role of Russian-made weapons in Syrian conflict

    It is the first comprehensive assessment and analysis of possible changes to the global arms market caused by the performance of Russian armaments in Syria

    MOSCOW, July 11. /TASS-DEFENSE/. The STATUS Company has published a book titled “Russian Weapons in Syrian Conflict”. The book’s editor, Prof. Valery Polovinkin, PhD, Honored Scientist of the Russian Federation, told TASS that it the first analysis of the employment of Russian arms in Syria. The book offers information about the latest and upgraded Russian-made materiel proven in combat in the Syrian theater of operations since September 30, 2015.

    "The book is the first comprehensive assessment of the effectiveness of up-to-date Russian-made weapons in a real war under the harsh climatic conditions and the first analysis of possible changes to the global arms market, caused by the performance of Russian armament in Syria," the scientist said.

    According to him, the latest Russian materiel the military is transitioning to should be fit for use in various climes around the world.

    "We realize full well that combat-proven weapons enjoy a higher demand on the international arms market than the ones lacking a combat record do. Everybody wants reliable hardware tested in battle, because they usually pay a lot of money for it," Valery Polovinkin stressed.

    "Previously, Russian arms usually lagged behind US ones in this respect. As is known, the United States fights on all continents and its weapons are always tested in battle. Now, Russia has the same opportunity owing to the friendly policies of Syria’s leadership," the scientist noted.

    "We have tested all of our advanced weapons and demonstrated their capabilities to the whole of the world. This is especially important because many of the current and potential customers for our military gear are situated the same climatic zone or in the ones similar enough," he emphasized.

    The book comprising six chapters provides detailed analysis of the Syrian operation of the Russian Aerospace Force, Navy and Army. Of special interest is the chapter covering Western military experts’ analysis of Russian weapons. The global arms market situation preceding Russia’s joining the Syrian conflict has been analyzed and a market assessment has been made based on the combat record of Russian arms in Syria.

    All information in the book is complemented with tables, graphs, charts and 200 color photographs courtesy of the Russian Defense Ministry and TASS Russian News Agency.

    STATUS Director General Andrei Shansherov told TASS that Russian Weapons in Syrian Conflict has been published both in Russian and in English.


    More:
    http://tass.ru/en/defense/887510


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    Post  George1 on Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:11 pm

    Six Russian Tu-22M3 bombers destroyed the camp and three warehouses militants in Syria

    Подробнее на ТАСС:
    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://tass.ru/politika/3448703&usg=ALkJrhjoNcY8YimJJcb51a1yKH7echhakw


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Resistance on Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:36 pm

    Why not supply some counter battery radars to SAA? Modern wars cannot be won without counter battery radars. If you don't know where enemy artillery is, don't even think about winning.

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:56 pm

    George1 wrote:Six Russian Tu-22M3 bombers destroyed the camp and three warehouses militants in Syria

    Подробнее на ТАСС:
    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://tass.ru/politika/3448703&usg=ALkJrhjoNcY8YimJJcb51a1yKH7echhakw


    3 tanks, 3 alleged ammunition depots, 8 pickup trucks, a field camp, and 4 BMP’s, i would have thought that this was a bit over kill, 6 Tu-22M3 dropping a shit load of bombs just to destroy a few vehicles and a camp and a few ammo depots. The pick up trucks, BMP'S and tanks could have easily been destroyed by Mi-28 or Su-25 so why use Tu-22M3 to destroy such targets. This is over kill and yes it shows what kind of fire power the Russians have at there finger tips but ISIS dont really care about that.

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E on Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:39 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    George1 wrote:Six Russian Tu-22M3 bombers destroyed the camp and three warehouses militants in Syria

    Подробнее на ТАСС:
    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://tass.ru/politika/3448703&usg=ALkJrhjoNcY8YimJJcb51a1yKH7echhakw


    3 tanks, 3 alleged ammunition depots, 8 pickup trucks, a field camp, and 4 BMP’s, i would have thought that this was a bit over kill, 6 Tu-22M3 dropping a shit load of bombs just to destroy a few vehicles and a camp and a few ammo depots. The pick up trucks, BMP'S and tanks could have easily been destroyed by Mi-28 or Su-25 so why use Tu-22M3 to destroy such targets. This is over kill and yes it shows what kind of fire power the Russians have at there finger tips but ISIS dont really care about that.

    After many months this was a sign of a more active role of Russia again. A test to see what happens. Also, such an attack has a very different moral effect which can be controlled even by SA-16 than one or two helicopters.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:30 am

    GarryB wrote:Well lets be fair, the officials probably only had information from friendly forces in the area and depending upon what they saw and reported you could get all sorts of different stories going around... I doubt the crew itself knew what actually happened...

    There is speculation that this was a friendly fire incident...Wingman got in front of second Crocodile which was firing, FFAR might have hit the tail sending the wingman in uncontrolled spin.

    If true, very very sad incident.

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    Post  archangelski on Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:40 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    There is speculation that this was a friendly fire incident...Wingman got in front of second Crocodile which was firing, FFAR might have hit the tail sending the wingman in uncontrolled spin.

    If true, very very sad incident.

    And poor coordination between wingmen, the shootdown helicopter seems to follow a straight path....

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    Post  Regular on Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:55 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Well lets be fair, the officials probably only had information from friendly forces in the area and depending upon what they saw and reported you could get all sorts of different stories going around... I doubt the crew itself knew what actually happened...

    There is speculation that this was a friendly fire incident...Wingman got in front of second Crocodile which was firing, FFAR might have hit the tail sending the wingman in uncontrolled spin.

    If true, very very sad incident.
    I've heard from person who is Mi-8 pilot that Russian doctrine suggests if flying in pairs that second helly gunner and pilot would be scanning for threats and targets and only the first one up front would engage it till it does a turn and switches with his colleague. Still doctrines are not always followed so You could be right. Isis and tow sounds like bullshit

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:03 pm

    Regular wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Well lets be fair, the officials probably only had information from friendly forces in the area and depending upon what they saw and reported you could get all sorts of different stories going around... I doubt the crew itself knew what actually happened...

    There is speculation that this was a friendly fire incident...Wingman got in front of second Crocodile which was firing, FFAR might have hit the tail sending the wingman in uncontrolled spin.

    If true, very very sad incident.
    I've heard from person who is Mi-8 pilot that Russian doctrine suggests if flying in pairs that second helly gunner and pilot would be scanning for threats and targets and only the first one up front would engage it till it does a turn and switches with his colleague. Still doctrines are not always followed so You could be right. Isis and tow sounds like bullshit

    IR missile that we have seen until now have always hit the center mass (heat source), there's the infamous Mil Mi 8 that takes a Strela and still flies. The impact detonation and some pictures in internet make it look like fragments have hit the choper, which could indicate a HE-Frag rocket.

    Still very unusual path for a ManPads.

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