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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:11 pm

    Rare footage of a Ka-52 picking off ISIS one by one at night. This is FLIR footage as it attacks ISIS fighters and what can only be described as ‘annihilation’ occurs. The attack was likely at night so the ISIS personnel on the ground probably couldn’t see just hear the helicopters that wiped them out. This looks like high-explosive incendiary ammunition.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Zivo on Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:13 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Rare footage of a Ka-52 picking off ISIS one by one at night. This is FLIR footage as it attacks ISIS fighters and what can only be described as ‘annihilation’ occurs. The attack was likely at night so the ISIS personnel on the ground probably couldn’t see just hear the helicopters that wiped them out. This looks like high-explosive incendiary ammunition.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:15 pm

    Zivo wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Rare footage of a Ka-52 picking off ISIS one by one at night. This is FLIR footage as it attacks ISIS fighters and what can only be described as ‘annihilation’ occurs. The attack was likely at night so the ISIS personnel on the ground probably couldn’t see just hear the helicopters that wiped them out. This looks like high-explosive incendiary ammunition.

    The gunner carefully avoids the goats  russia


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:54 pm

    Ooooops. Fail. Embarassed

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    Post  ult on Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:21 am

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    Post  Militarov on Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:07 am

    Two good shots of Leer 3:




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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Teshub on Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:49 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Zivo wrote:AH-64
    Yup TADS/FLIR ...Tis Murrica!
    That was rather sickening. A deliberate slaughter down to the last man. Isn't it a war crime to deliberately shoot helpless wounded on the ground?

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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:30 am

    Teshub wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Zivo wrote:AH-64
    Yup TADS/FLIR ...Tis Murrica!
    That was rather sickening. A deliberate slaughter down to the last man. Isn't it a war crime to deliberately shoot helpless wounded on the ground?
    Welcome to the thread. If that sickens you perhaps you have strayed into the wrong place.

    We don't know where the action took place or when or who the combatants were so it is difficult to pass judgement as to what degree the targets deserved what happened to them.

    If it was ISIS and other terrorist groups, then perhaps they should have considered the phrase 'do unto others what one would have done to oneself' before they started down the path they took, slaughtering ('helpless' as you might put it) prisoners and civilians.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:49 pm

    Teshub wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Zivo wrote:AH-64
    Yup TADS/FLIR ...Tis Murrica!
    That was rather sickening. A deliberate slaughter down to the last man. Isn't it a war crime to deliberately shoot helpless wounded on the ground?

    Those are Talitubbies, I don't care if they get vaporized or not. AFAIC it's only poetic justice. Americans made them, they need to sort them out.

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    Post  ult on Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:30 pm

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:37 pm

    Thanks ult.
    So....Borts 77 and 79.
    And still no Vikhrs (I see only Atakas).

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  ultron on Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:46 pm

    Why don't Russia give Syria the MiG-29M2 and Yak-130 Syria paid for before 2011? Those are all built so what's the point of withholding them?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  NationalRus on Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:04 pm

    ultron wrote:Why don't Russia give Syria the MiG-29M2 and Yak-130 Syria paid for before 2011? Those are all built so what's the point of withholding them?

    dont try to pretend you care

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:40 pm

    NationalRus wrote:

    dont try to pretend you care
    Please don't feed the troll, it bypasses the ignore function if you quote him.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:53 pm

    ultron wrote:Why don't Russia give Syria the MiG-29M2 and Yak-130 Syria paid for before 2011? Those are all built so what's the point of withholding them?

    Because the Russian Defense industry incompetence ,mixed with the poor state of Russian military industry. that never gets any order of its clients in time. waiting more than 10 years to deliver migs 29SM that Syria paid ,is like a world record in poor service.  Russia incompetence on its military industry is part of the problem ,that allows the west to take a lot of sales away from Russia. Because Americans provide an excellent service to any military weapon they sale,Fast delivery and Russia not. Russia inexperience with Capitalism is probably one of the reason they suck so much in service.

    In other news another Syrian pilot plane shut down.. yes where was the Russian airforce
    to assist the poor man? so he is not captured?


    https://www.rt.com/news/338483-syria-jet-nusra-captured/

    At least they could have helped to wipe the terrorist surrounding him or even drop a bomb in the pilot so he is not captured and later tortured to death. Nor really impressed with Russia coordination with the Syrian military. their bad communication and coordination between Russia and Syria shows again. He got no rescue operation and no help either at least to die with dignity.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:59 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    ultron wrote:Why don't Russia give Syria the MiG-29M2 and Yak-130 Syria paid for before 2011? Those are all built so what's the point of withholding them?

    Because the Russian Defense industry incompetence ,mixed with the poor state of Russian military industry. that never gets any order of its clients in time. waiting more than 10 years to deliver migs 29SM that Syria paid ,is like a world record in poor service.  Russia incompetence on its military industry is part of the problem ,that allows the west to take a lot of sales away from Russia. Because Americans provide an excellent service to any military weapon they sale,Fast delivery and Russia not. Russia inexperience with Capitalism is probably one of the reason they suck so much in service.

    In other news another Syrian pilot plane shut down.. yes where was the Russian airforce
    to assist the poor man? so he is not captured?


    https://www.rt.com/news/338483-syria-jet-nusra-captured/

    At least they could have helped to wipe the terrorist surrounding him or even drop a bomb in the pilot so he is not captured and later tortured to death , the terrible communication and coordination between Russia and Syria shows again.

    You serious? What is T-90 to any other nation and Su-30 series to any nation? Stop talking out of your ass troll.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:10 pm

    The alligators are even more impressive than in static display...

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  NationalRus on Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:13 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    ultron wrote:Why don't Russia give Syria the MiG-29M2 and Yak-130 Syria paid for before 2011? Those are all built so what's the point of withholding them?

    Because the Russian Defense industry incompetence ,mixed with the poor state of Russian military industry. that never gets any order of its clients in time. waiting more than 10 years to deliver migs 29SM that Syria paid ,is like a world record in poor service.  Russia incompetence on its military industry is part of the problem ,that allows the west to take a lot of sales away from Russia. Because Americans provide an excellent service to any military weapon they sale,Fast delivery and Russia not. Russia inexperience with Capitalism is probably one of the reason they suck so much in service.


    only partly true russia manages very good by now to deliver on time and is actually including china the most reliable arms supplier of modern weaponry in the world, but yes problems like that existed and i called them out years and years back but even i have to admit that the situation with schoigu improved a lot, the military industrial complex is efficient as never before but problems remain here and there.
    the deliveries to syria are obviously of political nature, half a year ago there was not even a clarity if syria as a state would survive much more longer, and there is no reason to deliver high-tech military equipment in to a collapsing state.
    and before any delivery syria still has too prove that they can maintain the equipment delivered to them its in our interest too now that it gets not wasted and not falls in to the wrong hands then lets not fool ourselfs syria has no independent say in that matter anymore we call the shots what they get and what they DO now.

    also no reason to blame russian HQ for syrian airforce failures, we work in cooperation but independently they dont need to ask us permission to make a bombing run and fail while doing so

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:18 pm

    sepheronx wrote:

    You serious? What is T-90 to any other nation and Su-30 series to any nation? Stop talking out of your ass troll.

    if Russia Government did its job well ,it will have no need to be in Syria at all.. and will have provided its Syrian ally with the equipment its need to defend itself. from any potential war with its neighbors. Syria T-72 tanks not even had night vision. And Migs-29 of Syria were very outdated too. it was only now that Russia joined the war , not before Syria lost 70% of its territory ,that began to upgrade its mig-29 planes.  Rolling Eyes

    again Russia if they armed and trained Syria military well since the war began in 2011 or earlier,it will NOT had the need today to be in Syria today with its own equipment ,defending
    its ally. Because Syria will have been better armed and trained . Russia failed to arm Syria on time, and now it have to be stuck in that conflict. Something as basic as updated T-72s ,Migs-29, and BMP vehicles and provide Syrian army with Bullet proof vest , nothing too hard to do ,could have helped Syria to do much better. and be in a much better position today. and saved many lives.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:34 pm

    And you think MiG-29's and Yak-130's would do that? No. Roll right now calls for the very equipment they got.

    If Syria ordered T-72B3/M upgrades, newer IFV and subsystems, that would have helped. Maybe upgraded artillery, helicopters, and UAVs too.

    Russia had no problems in delivery or such with Algeria. And Algeria is dealing quite well against terrotists.

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    Post  NationalRus on Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:42 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    again Russia if they armed and trained Syria military well since the war began in 2011 or earlier,it will NOT had the need today to be in Syria today with its own equipment ,defending
    its ally. Because Syria will have been better armed and trained . Russia failed to arm Syria on time, and now it have to be stuck in that conflict. Something as basic as updated T-72s ,Migs-29, and BMP vehicles and provide Syrian army with Bullet proof vest , nothing too hard to do ,could have helped Syria to do much better. and be in a much better position today. and saved many lives.

    by which request? with what money? no if syria wasnt so fuckd up before 2011 and rearmed ITSELF by BUYING the right equipment in time it wouldn't have been in the sate that it is in now, we are not the soviet union to fight and spend OUR money on ideological wars of none reliable "allys" that fucked up, russia didnt fuck up assad and syria did we basically saved them out of mercy from the barbaric savages and after they gave us a card blanche in syria and new base and everything that we could possible want in syria and then SOME.

    wanted them to have had good equipment in 2011? write a letter to assad and say he was a idiot or donate money for the the syrian army

    but nooooooo RUSSIA TO THE RESCUE!!!! ohh fuck off! if not for the sake of the christians and alawites i wouldn't have even bothered to intervene

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:56 pm

    Let's be honest though. Alawi Syria is as reliable an ally as it gets in that part of the world. We're not talking effectiveness, we're talking reliability. Those guys despite having a relic of and army are not letting the fight down. It's not the Afghan forces FFS.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  ultron on Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:57 pm

    If the Latakia base was there in 2014, Idlib would have never fallen in the first place, Putin would not need to spend the next 10 to 100 years fighting in Syria against Qaeda.

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