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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  crod on Thu Apr 07, 2016 2:30 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Apr 07, 2016 2:52 am

    calm wrote:
    #Syria #Aleppo After use of Chlorine gas yd. #Russia bombing strategic al-Eis town with White Phosphorus & Napalm cry

    After all this crying and moaning by pro terror twitter accounts, i must say, bomb them more and more, Bomb them Again and again!
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    It's been discussed many times already that Russia uses thermite, or to be more precise, thermate which is the more potent military equivalent. White phosphorus can't cut through armored vehicles, thermate can, and Napalm is an archaic incendiary substance from the 1960's, which is inferior to thermite let alone thermate.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Militarov on Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:35 am



    Alot better video of Ruaf helicopter strike

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Militarov on Thu Apr 07, 2016 4:37 am

    IL-20M ELINT resumed flight over Idlib, MQ-9 Reaper ER spotted also:


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  crod on Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:21 am

    Militarov wrote:

    Alot better video of Ruaf helicopter strike

    did it miss both targets? the first vehicle looked still intact after the strike. second strike looked marginally off or am I looking at it incorrectly? did the third vehicle get away?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:28 am

    crod wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    Alot better video of Ruaf helicopter strike

    did it miss both targets? the first vehicle looked still intact after the strike. second strike looked marginally off or am I looking at it incorrectly? did the third vehicle get away?

    The target cursor or whatever you call it looked like it was on the front of the vehicles (or nearly on front hood), so the missile followed that path.  It seems to either hit in the front or right in front of it.  The vehicle would be toast either way.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  kvs on Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:54 am

    crod wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    Alot better video of Ruaf helicopter strike

    did it miss both targets? the first vehicle looked still intact after the strike. second strike looked marginally off or am I looking at it incorrectly? did the third vehicle get away?

    The second one looked like it detonated behind the vehicle and neither missile looked like it did much damage considering the
    takfiri rats scurrying about.   They should have strafed the takfiri rats with machine gun fire.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  ult on Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:54 am

    kvs wrote:
    crod wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    Alot better video of Ruaf helicopter strike

    did it miss both targets? the first vehicle looked still intact after the strike. second strike looked marginally off or am I looking at it incorrectly? did the third vehicle get away?

    The second one looked like it detonated behind the vehicle and neither missile looked like it did much damage considering the
    takfiri rats scurrying about.   They should have strafed the takfiri rats with machine gun fire.

    With machine gun it doesn't have? Not to mention that the distance to target was 5.8 kilometers.

    The first target was hit, it's just didn't blow up like fireworks. It got hit in the cabin, the brakes got blown up and then it rolled down from the slope. The second target was a miss, and the pilot said "Blyat! Let's repeat", and the second pilot said "There is another one (car)", so they targeted it instead. The one in this video.


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  crod on Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:07 am

    ult wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    crod wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    Alot better video of Ruaf helicopter strike

    did it miss both targets? the first vehicle looked still intact after the strike. second strike looked marginally off or am I looking at it incorrectly? did the third vehicle get away?

    The second one looked like it detonated behind the vehicle and neither missile looked like it did much damage considering the
    takfiri rats scurrying about.   They should have strafed the takfiri rats with machine gun fire.

    With machine gun it doesn't have? Not to mention that the distance to target was 5.8 kilometers.

    The first target was hit, it's just didn't blow up like fireworks. It got hit in the cabin, the brakes got blown up and then it rolled down from the slope. The second target was a miss, and the pilot said "Blyat! Let's repeat", and the second pilot said "There is another one (car)", so they targeted it instead. The one in this video.


    toast!

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  ult on Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:27 am


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Zivo on Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:29 am

    ult wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    crod wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    Alot better video of Ruaf helicopter strike

    did it miss both targets? the first vehicle looked still intact after the strike. second strike looked marginally off or am I looking at it incorrectly? did the third vehicle get away?

    The second one looked like it detonated behind the vehicle and neither missile looked like it did much damage considering the
    takfiri rats scurrying about.   They should have strafed the takfiri rats with machine gun fire.

    With machine gun it doesn't have? Not to mention that the distance to target was 5.8 kilometers.

    The first target was hit, it's just didn't blow up like fireworks. It got hit in the cabin, the brakes got blown up and then it rolled down from the slope. The second target was a miss, and the pilot said "Blyat! Let's repeat", and the second pilot said "There is another one (car)", so they targeted it instead. The one in this video.

    I think the Russian MoD in censoring the gory parts of their videos.

    Look at them, these guys are out in the middle of the desert, no cover, and their vehicles are toast with no help in sight. I see little chance that the Mi-28 crews are going to let them get away. Obviously the general public isn't going to be happy over summary executions by 2A42, which I imagine could be horrendously common on this open battlefield.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  OminousSpudd on Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:39 am

    Zivo wrote:
    ult wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    crod wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    Alot better video of Ruaf helicopter strike

    did it miss both targets? the first vehicle looked still intact after the strike. second strike looked marginally off or am I looking at it incorrectly? did the third vehicle get away?

    The second one looked like it detonated behind the vehicle and neither missile looked like it did much damage considering the
    takfiri rats scurrying about.   They should have strafed the takfiri rats with machine gun fire.

    With machine gun it doesn't have? Not to mention that the distance to target was 5.8 kilometers.

    The first target was hit, it's just didn't blow up like fireworks. It got hit in the cabin, the brakes got blown up and then it rolled down from the slope. The second target was a miss, and the pilot said "Blyat! Let's repeat", and the second pilot said "There is another one (car)", so they targeted it instead. The one in this video.

    I think the Russian MoD in censoring the gory parts of their videos.

    Look at them, these guys are out in the middle of the desert, no cover, and their vehicles are toast with no help in sight. I see little chance that the Mi-28 crews are going to let them get away. Obviously the general public isn't going to be happy over summary executions by 2A42, which I imagine could be horrendously common on this open battlefield.

    I agree. Hence no up close cams of direct hits on insurgents from KAB, OFAB, etc. or 30mm, 23mm gun kills from Havoc or Hind. Tis a shame, but it does show a certain superiority over American wartime propaganda reels.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  ult on Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:48 am

    More Mi-28N videos.




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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  ult on Thu Apr 07, 2016 8:27 am

    Zivo wrote:
    I think the Russian MoD in censoring the gory parts of their videos.

    Look at them, these guys are out in the middle of the desert, no cover, and their vehicles are toast with no help in sight. I see little chance that the Mi-28 crews are going to let them get away. Obviously the general public isn't going to be happy over summary executions by 2A42, which I imagine could be horrendously common on this open battlefield.

    I don't think that Russian MoD goes out of its way just to censor gory parts. The thing is that most of those videos are filmed in TV mode, just with a color correction filter. On Mi-28N you can see that it is in ТVK (ТВК) mode and not in thermal mode (ТПК). So those torn apart body parts aren't glowing hot like in thermal cameras. Also the US videos in Afghanistan are filmed much closer to the targets, from 1-2 km compared to 4-5 km here. As those goat hoarders didn't have anything but AKs. So here it is not zoomed in as much. And they have much less time to stay on target. But yeah. Russian helicopters work in pairs or as a quartet. Very Happy So they can just clean up after the first guy. And in the video he said that the target needs to be hit again.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  krakovv on Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:13 am

    ult wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    crod wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    Alot better video of Ruaf helicopter strike

    did it miss both targets? the first vehicle looked still intact after the strike. second strike looked marginally off or am I looking at it incorrectly? did the third vehicle get away?

    The second one looked like it detonated behind the vehicle and neither missile looked like it did much damage considering the
    takfiri rats scurrying about.   They should have strafed the takfiri rats with machine gun fire.

    With machine gun it doesn't have? Not to mention that the distance to target was 5.8 kilometers.

    The first target was hit, it's just didn't blow up like fireworks. It got hit in the cabin, the brakes got blown up and then it rolled down from the slope. The second target was a miss, and the pilot said "Blyat! Let's repeat", and the second pilot said "There is another one (car)", so they targeted it instead. The one in this video.


    How much is the range on that last Ataka strike? Is it those 4 point something in the lower part of the screen?

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  ult on Thu Apr 07, 2016 12:06 pm

    krakovv wrote:

    How much is the range on that last Ataka strike? Is it those 4 point something in the lower part of the screen?

    4.7km.

    More here.
    https://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A//twower.livejournal.com/1942683.html

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  ultron on Thu Apr 07, 2016 5:03 pm

    Putin says mission accomplished.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-putin-idUSKCN0X41FY

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  medo on Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:03 pm

    krakovv wrote:
    ult wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    crod wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    Alot better video of Ruaf helicopter strike

    did it miss both targets? the first vehicle looked still intact after the strike. second strike looked marginally off or am I looking at it incorrectly? did the third vehicle get away?

    The second one looked like it detonated behind the vehicle and neither missile looked like it did much damage considering the
    takfiri rats scurrying about.   They should have strafed the takfiri rats with machine gun fire.

    With machine gun it doesn't have? Not to mention that the distance to target was 5.8 kilometers.

    The first target was hit, it's just didn't blow up like fireworks. It got hit in the cabin, the brakes got blown up and then it rolled down from the slope. The second target was a miss, and the pilot said "Blyat! Let's repeat", and the second pilot said "There is another one (car)", so they targeted it instead. The one in this video.


    How much is the range on that last Ataka strike? Is it those 4 point something in the lower part of the screen?

    Yes, this bottom number in the range.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  kvs on Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:16 pm

    ult wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    crod wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    Alot better video of Ruaf helicopter strike

    did it miss both targets? the first vehicle looked still intact after the strike. second strike looked marginally off or am I looking at it incorrectly? did the third vehicle get away?

    The second one looked like it detonated behind the vehicle and neither missile looked like it did much damage considering the
    takfiri rats scurrying about.   They should have strafed the takfiri rats with machine gun fire.

    With machine gun it doesn't have? Not to mention that the distance to target was 5.8 kilometers.

    The first target was hit, it's just didn't blow up like fireworks. It got hit in the cabin, the brakes got blown up and then it rolled down from the slope. The second target was a miss, and the pilot said "Blyat! Let's repeat", and the second pilot said "There is another one (car)", so they targeted it instead. The one in this video.


    Tone town your butthurt BS.

    1) Take a look at post #101 to see the machine gun. It uses 2A42 ammuntion.

    2) It took about 8 seconds for the missiles from launch to detonation in the video. If it was the Vikr ATGM then it would travel
    less than 600 m/s * 8 s = 4800 m since there is acceleration lag.

    3) The first vehicle managed to roll forward off the road. So even though the missile struck close to its front it did not take out
    neither the tires nor the front axel. That is a pathetic level of damage for an ATGM at this sort of proximity. So let's suppose
    this was an Ataka ATGM instead since it is less powerful than the Vikhr. Then we are back to point (2):

    the Ataka ATGM would travel less than 400 m/s * 8 s = 3200 m.

    4) The effective range of the 30 mm 2A42 ammunition is 4000 m.


    Go and buy a clue.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Militarov on Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:24 pm

    kvs wrote:
    ult wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    crod wrote:
    Militarov wrote:

    Alot better video of Ruaf helicopter strike

    did it miss both targets? the first vehicle looked still intact after the strike. second strike looked marginally off or am I looking at it incorrectly? did the third vehicle get away?

    The second one looked like it detonated behind the vehicle and neither missile looked like it did much damage considering the
    takfiri rats scurrying about.   They should have strafed the takfiri rats with machine gun fire.

    With machine gun it doesn't have? Not to mention that the distance to target was 5.8 kilometers.

    The first target was hit, it's just didn't blow up like fireworks. It got hit in the cabin, the brakes got blown up and then it rolled down from the slope. The second target was a miss, and the pilot said "Blyat! Let's repeat", and the second pilot said "There is another one (car)", so they targeted it instead. The one in this video.


    Tone town your butthurt BS.  

    1) Take a look at post #101 to see the machine gun.  It uses 2A42 ammuntion.

    2) It took about 8 seconds for the missiles from launch to detonation in the video.    If it was the Vikr ATGM then it would travel
    less than 600 m/s * 8 s = 4800 m since there is acceleration lag.  

    3) The first vehicle managed to roll forward off the road.   So even though the missile struck close to its front it did not take out
    neither the tires nor the front axel.   That is a pathetic level of damage for an ATGM at this sort of proximity.   So let's suppose
    this was an Ataka ATGM instead since it is less powerful than the Vikhr.   Then we are back to point (2):

    the Ataka ATGM would travel less than 400 m/s * 8 s = 3200 m.

    4) The effective range of the 30 mm 2A42 ammunition is 4000 m.


    Go and buy a clue.

    Its cannon to be precise.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  ult on Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:40 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Tone town your butthurt BS.  

    1) Take a look at post #101 to see the machine gun.  It uses 2A42 ammuntion.

    2) It took about 8 seconds for the missiles from launch to detonation in the video.    If it was the Vikr ATGM then it would travel
    less than 600 m/s * 8 s = 4800 m since there is acceleration lag.  

    3) The first vehicle managed to roll forward off the road.   So even though the missile struck close to its front it did not take out
    neither the tires nor the front axel.   That is a pathetic level of damage for an ATGM at this sort of proximity.   So let's suppose
    this was an Ataka ATGM instead since it is less powerful than the Vikhr.   Then we are back to point (2):

    the Ataka ATGM would travel less than 400 m/s * 8 s = 3200 m.

    4) The effective range of the 30 mm 2A42 ammunition is 4000 m.


    Go and buy a clue.

    Learn the fucking difference between a 30mm cannon and a machine gun.

    The fuck are you talking about the Vikhr? It says УР-А = Управляемая Ракета - Атака right there on the screen. Can't you read?

    8 seconds? You do know that there is a counter on the Mi-28N's screen? Above the distance. And it says 17 seconds for the first missile and 11 seconds for the second.

    And nobody in their sane mind would fire a 30 mm from a helicopter 4 kilometers away.

    And you are gonna tell me to get a clue? Ahaha. You are clueless.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:40 pm

    If that would be a Vikhr it would have destroyed the truck in proximity detonation due its HE-Frag warhead, that is obviously an actual ATGM (AT) shaped charge and the blast is directed, the damage can't be that big for such kind of weapons in proximity use against objects. The operator is to blame not the ATGM aswell that is a Mi-28, i wouldn't use the 2A42 from NPPU-28 at such a range with only 250 rounds, the cannon itself is the best in its class, but the plattform and turreted weapon makes it inaccurate in undisciplined fire and the operator already screwed up second ATGM. UOF-8 HE-FI rounds for russian 30mm cannons have selfdetonation fuze after 5200m.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Isos on Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:33 am

    The second missed because of the pilot trying to see better the target. I think, like Werewolf said, they didn't had good warehead because they are targeting the front of the truc, not in the middle.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  OminousSpudd on Fri Apr 08, 2016 7:59 am

    I think rookie crew. Maybe even first sortie at that. Anyway, good experience. Very Happy

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