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    Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  ult on Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:46 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    AK-Rex wrote:Mi-28N launches guided antitank missile against ISIS objects near Palmyra


    First strike

    10 sec for 3.5 km 350m/sec... Shturm?

    Second Strike

    8 sec for 4.5 km 600m/s ...Vikhr.

    Wallahi Billahi Vikhr can be mounted on Mil Mi 28N? Or Ka 52 was in Plamyra...

    Nah, I think the second video is just edited. You can notice the sudden change in roll axis (upper scale), the camera direction (arrow in the circle in the bottom left corner) and the speed (goes from 163 to 158 km/h in 1 frame). It looks to me like they cut a couple of seconds out.

    Edit: I also just noticed that there is a flight time displayed for the rocket. Just above the distance. 10 seconds for the first missile and 13 for the second. That confirms that they cut from 6 to 1 seconds in the second part of the video.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Militarov on Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:57 pm



    If someone has desire to see what will end up on ebay in 20 years Smile

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Militarov on Thu Mar 31, 2016 2:11 pm

    Russian humanitarian aid reaching East Aleppo:






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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:14 pm

    Caught the wrong side of the border methinks

    According to Dogan News Agency, the alleged killer of the pilot of the downed Russian Su-24 flight has been detained in Turkey.

    The man, who is believed to be responsible for the Russian pilot's death, is identified as Alparslan Chelik.

    ​According to Hurriyet newspaper, Chelik was detained Wednesday evening in Izmir. Alparslan Chelik has reportedly been fighting against the government forces in Syria.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20160331/1037271806/turkey-russia-su24-killer.html#ixzz44Ug9uESo

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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:20 pm

    The full and long article is at http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12082004@egNews This is from the full version, gives an idea of the size of the task just accomplished.

    By March, illegal armed groups have concentrated near Palmyra more than 4000 fighters, at least 25 tanks and MICVs, more than 20 units of bombardment and rocket artillery, more than 40 mortars, about 100 antitank guided missile systems and more than 50 cross-country vehicles with mounted heavy armament. Moreover, terrorists possessed more than 10 trucks rigged with explosives controlled by suicide bombers as well as UAVs.

    ISIS terrorists installed the system of obstacles around Tadmur, which includes several levels of defence as well as defensive posts, firing points equipped on the heights, and control centres.


    This is cut down the Sputnik version. The video links referred to are below.

    The Russian Defense Ministry has published unique footage of terrorist targets in Palmyra being destroyed by a Russian Aerospace Forces unit.

    A jaw-dropping video of a Russian Aerospace Forces group obliterating a series of Daesh targets in Palmyra has been published on the Russian Defense Ministry's website. In particular, the footage showed the combat helicopter Mi-28N destroying Daesh armored vehicles with an antitank guided missile in the Palmyra area.

    In addition, the video demonstrated Russian airstrikes on Daesh terrorists and their infrastructure based north-east of Palmyra.

    The publication of the footage came as the Russian Army's General Staff said that the Russian warplanes conducted about 500 sorties, hitting 2,000 Daesh targets between March 7 and March 27.

    Sergey Rudskoy, the Chief of the General Staff's Main Operations Directorate, said that the Russian jets destroyed most of the terrorists' command centers in the first couple of days. According to him, the warplanes destroyed columns of cars carrying terrorists and ammunition, which were trying to break through to Palmyra from Raqqa and Deir ez-Zor.

    Separately, he said that approximately 180 hectares (about 445 acres) of Palmyra's historical and residential districts have yet to be cleared of landmines and explosives.

    On March 27, the Syrian Army, supported by pro-government militia and the Russian Aerospace Forces, recaptured the historic city, which had been under Daesh control for about a year. The city of Palmyra and its historic ruins had been controlled by Daesh since May 2015. The jihadist group, which has been condemned as a terrorist organization by Russia, the United States and other countries, shocked the world when it destroyed part of the ruins, which are a designated UNESCO World Heritage site.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20160331/1037266731/russia-palmyra-video-daesh.html#ixzz44UgqGlNv




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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:41 pm

    Vikhr is not exclusive to Su-25/Ka-52 by technology but by dedication, there are not many produced, still quite a few in stock and reproduction just runs up. Vikhr needs only a laser designator that is connected to BLIK and coding modul, BLIK is standard on all russian modern attack helicopters and subsystem of the Okhotnik Image Processor. So there should be no problems to launch Vikhr's from Mi-28.

    The video is most likely edited, the Vikhr has a slightly different visual launch characteristics aswell the speed are only peaks 610m/s for Vikhr not the average speed, the average speed reduces to roughly 500m/s after traveling first few kilometers, same for Ataka slower after few kilometers, so you can't calculate the actual speed that easily at such engagement ranges.

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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:53 pm

    Well its over. The crews of the Syrian Express have had their rest. Its back to normal, four LLC southbound in the last week. Got some stocks to replenish.

    Today's LLC, 031 Alexander Otrakovsky was accompanied by 603 Serpukhova a 2015 crop Buyan corvette. 027 Minsk seems to be the leader of the pack in terms of trips, it went south again two days ago.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:26 pm

    Not sure what's going on. Another good article at VT.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/03/31/russian-soldier-who-called-airstrike-on-himself-while-surrounded-by-isis-is-hero/

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    Post  ult on Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:52 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Vikhr is not exclusive to Su-25/Ka-52 by technology but by dedication, there are not many produced, still quite a few in stock and reproduction just runs up. Vikhr needs only a laser designator that is connected to BLIK and coding modul, BLIK is standard on all russian modern attack helicopters and subsystem of the Okhotnik Image Processor. So there should be no problems to launch Vikhr's from Mi-28.

    The video is most likely edited, the Vikhr has a slightly different visual launch characteristics aswell the speed are only peaks 610m/s for Vikhr not the average speed, the average speed reduces to roughly 500m/s after traveling first few kilometers, same for Ataka slower after few kilometers, so you can't calculate the actual speed that easily at such engagement ranges.

    The helicopters itself does calculate everything and displays it. It takes into account the speed of helicopter, its altitude and distance to target.


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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:57 pm


    Syria: Second Russian sapper unit arrives at Hmeymim ahead of Palmyra mission


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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:02 pm

    Interesting Russian convoy coming out of Palmyra. Might not have captured the first vehicles. Did someone say not many boots on the ground?

    https://twitter.com/bm27_uragan/status/715585814059679744

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    Post  Zivo on Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:14 pm

    Anyone know what the white arrows on the Mi-28's HUD indicates? The Iraqi Mi-28's had them, and I thought they could have been edited in, but this footage shows the same thing.

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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:28 pm

    ult wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Vikhr is not exclusive to Su-25/Ka-52 by technology but by dedication, there are not many produced, still quite a few in stock and reproduction just runs up. Vikhr needs only a laser designator that is connected to BLIK and coding modul, BLIK is standard on all russian modern attack helicopters and subsystem of the Okhotnik Image Processor. So there should be no problems to launch Vikhr's from Mi-28.

    The video is most likely edited, the Vikhr has a slightly different visual launch characteristics aswell the speed are only peaks 610m/s for Vikhr not the average speed, the average speed reduces to roughly 500m/s after traveling first few kilometers, same for Ataka slower after few kilometers, so you can't calculate the actual speed that easily at such engagement ranges.

    The helicopters itself does calculate everything and displays it. It takes into account the speed of helicopter, its altitude and distance to target.


    Not exactly what i meant, but i am to blame for that. I mean the missiles Ataka/Shturm and Vikhr have different rocket motors, they accelerate in different speeds aswell have a slightly different launching profile, their acceleration speed to reach maximum speed is different, vikhr reaches it earlier, has  a low amount of time it can hold it and decelerates in speed over last 4-6km and maintains over that course roughly the average speeds of 500m/s with an end phase of further deceleration in speed which i can't know speed or range. So by the speed you can calculate from the footage it is not entirely clear which missile is used. The figures and speeds of the initial speed, peak and endurance, deceleration and endurance of its deceleration time to average speed and end phase speed are not known. Never found information on it. That is why my figures in my docs are not entirely true, but are rough figures for a few ATGM's and can not be counted as more than 95% accurate and that is quite optimistic.

    To get any of such figures we need two factors to get the unknown, but there are never more than two factors present for the phases which makes it impossible to calculate without having technical figures of the ATGM's and rocket motors performance themselfs, which is beyond my free time aswell my knowledge. I haven't finished the book by stealthflanker yet about tactical missiles and their designs to get into such detail. I doubt i will have the time any time soon to do so anyways.

    Guesstimation is the most thing we can do like with most things.

    I hope i made it this time better clear what i meant.

    Zivo wrote:Anyone know what the white arrows on the Mi-28's HUD indicates? The Iraqi Mi-28's had them, and I thought they could have been edited in, but this footage shows the same thing.

    I still think they are edited. Lack of footage is also an issue to make it more clear what they are indicating if they are part of FCS/WCS.

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Apr 01, 2016 1:50 am

    ult wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    AK-Rex wrote:Mi-28N launches guided antitank missile against ISIS objects near Palmyra


    First strike

    10 sec for 3.5 km 350m/sec... Shturm?

    Second Strike

    8 sec for 4.5 km 600m/s ...Vikhr.

    Wallahi Billahi Vikhr can be mounted on Mil Mi 28N? Or Ka 52 was in Plamyra...

    Nah, I think the second video is just edited. You can notice the sudden change in roll axis (upper scale), the camera direction (arrow in the circle in the bottom left corner) and the speed (goes from 163 to 158 km/h in 1 frame). It looks to me like they cut a couple of seconds out.

    Edit: I also just noticed that there is a flight time displayed for the rocket. Just above the distance. 10 seconds for the first missile and 13 for the second. That confirms that they cut from 6 to 1 seconds in the second part of the video.


    I saw those as well, but the flight of the second missile seemed largely correct, also the 5 seconds cut are intriguing...And I've seen blind WSO too, US Cobras would hit 3/4 seconds early with upgraded TOWS...

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  ult on Fri Apr 01, 2016 2:12 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    I saw those as well, but the flight of the second missile seemed largely correct, also the 5 seconds cut are intriguing...And I've seen blind WSO too, US Cobras would hit 3/4 seconds early with upgraded TOWS...

    Nothing intriguing about the cuts, they wanted to make a 30 second video to embed it in twitter without additional work. Very Happy

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    Post  ult on Fri Apr 01, 2016 2:21 am

    Satellite pic of the Iskander-M in Hmeymim.



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    Post  George1 on Fri Apr 01, 2016 3:02 am

    well 1st of April and we have the first "news" from bmd page. SS-29 Yars in Syria!!! Cool



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1823828.html


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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Apr 01, 2016 3:58 am

    From BM-27 Uragan: Alparslan Celik, Commander who bragged of shooting(and killing) Russian pilot is back in Syria, specifically in Latakia, in a refugee camp:









    Some more pictures of Alparslan Celik after his return to Latakia from Turkey:










    ...He missed out on the last chance to save his life, he must not be aware what happened with the captured TOW team... Twisted Evil

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Apr 01, 2016 10:17 am

    ult wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    I saw those as well, but the flight of the second missile seemed largely correct, also the 5 seconds cut are intriguing...And I've seen blind WSO too, US Cobras would hit 3/4 seconds early with upgraded TOWS...

    Nothing intriguing about the cuts, they wanted to make a 30 second video to embed it in twitter without additional work. Very Happy

    They could have done it the old way, missile launches, missile hits etc.

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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:51 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:From BM-27 Uragan: Alparslan Celik, Commander who bragged of shooting(and killing) Russian pilot is back in Syria, specifically in Latakia, in a refugee camp:


    Some more pictures of Alparslan Celik after his return to Latakia from Turkey:


    ...He missed out on the last chance to save his life, he must not be aware what happened with the captured TOW team... Twisted Evil
    But but but he has been arrested in Turkey! For his own safety?

    Turkish police have confirmed that the alleged killer of the downed Russian Su-24 bomber jet's pilot is in custody.

    Alparslan Celik, who has claimed he killed the pilot parachuting from the Russian Su-24 bomber jet which was shot down over Syria, has been detained in the city of Izmir, a local police source said Friday.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160401/1037313423/turkey-russia-su24-killer.html#ixzz44ZDQLuWk

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    Post  ult on Fri Apr 01, 2016 12:50 pm


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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Fri Apr 01, 2016 2:00 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:From BM-27 Uragan: Alparslan Celik, Commander who bragged of shooting(and killing) Russian pilot is back in Syria, specifically in Latakia, in a refugee camp:


    Some more pictures of Alparslan Celik after his return to Latakia from Turkey:


    ...He missed out on the last chance to save his life, he must not be aware what happened with the captured TOW team... Twisted Evil
    But but but he has been arrested in Turkey! For his own safety?

    Turkish police have confirmed that the alleged killer of the downed Russian Su-24 bomber jet's pilot is in custody.

    Alparslan Celik, who has claimed he killed the pilot parachuting from the Russian Su-24 bomber jet which was shot down over Syria, has been detained in the city of Izmir, a local police source said Friday.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160401/1037313423/turkey-russia-su24-killer.html#ixzz44ZDQLuWk

    Maybe the images of Iskander-M triggered a "moral transformation" in Turkey's handlers.

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    Post  higurashihougi on Fri Apr 01, 2016 3:51 pm

    What a huge work

    https://www.rt.com/news/337969-isis-palmyra-mines-documents/

    Besides infesting approaches to the city with mines, residential quarters were also trapped with explosives, which turned the whole town into a huge “delayed action mine.”

    “At least 3,000 explosive devices were installed in the city,” the sapper explained to RT. He said ISIS created an almost invisible interconnected network, partially hidden under hard paved roads, which could blow up the entire city.

    One of the two independent triggers is manual and can be activated by an ISIS agent. The second one is automatic and was connected to the urban grid to set off series of explosions as soon as the electricity supply returns.

    The Syrian security forces were able to save the city of Palmyra after receiving intelligence just in time to prevent detonation. The army also sent out special interference signal to prevent terrorist from setting off the chain reaction.

    Syrian Army engineers are working day and night trying to unearth the explosives left behind not only on the roads but in residential buildings and historical monuments. They hope that by removing the danger, peaceful life can fully return to the city.

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    Post  Dima on Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:46 pm

    Why a new thread when the last thread is just 40 pages?
    Usually the thread closes with 67th page, what has changed in the past 24hours??

    Link to previous thread.
    http://www.russiadefence.net/t4919p975-russian-military-involvement-and-aid-to-syria-8

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    Re: Russian Military involvement and aid to Syria #9

    Post  medo on Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:53 pm

    ult wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    AK-Rex wrote:Mi-28N launches guided antitank missile against ISIS objects near Palmyra


    First strike

    10 sec for 3.5 km 350m/sec... Shturm?

    Second Strike

    8 sec for 4.5 km 600m/s ...Vikhr.

    Wallahi Billahi Vikhr can be mounted on Mil Mi 28N? Or Ka 52 was in Plamyra...

    Nah, I think the second video is just edited. You can notice the sudden change in roll axis (upper scale), the camera direction (arrow in the circle in the bottom left corner) and the speed (goes from 163 to 158 km/h in 1 frame). It looks to me like they cut a couple of seconds out.

    Edit: I also just noticed that there is a flight time displayed for the rocket. Just above the distance. 10 seconds for the first missile and 13 for the second. That confirms that they cut from 6 to 1 seconds in the second part of the video.

    I think Ka-52 and Mi-28N have very similar video when engaging targets with ATGMs in EO mode. More interesting would be a picture, when Ka-52 work in radar mode as they would be exclusively from Ka-52.

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