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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:43 am

    There has been an item of "news", that has recently been making the rounds here, about an advertisement in Moscow with breast shots that have caused 500 traffic accidents.

    Can somebody from Russia tell us if this is true or not?
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  Mike E on Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:22 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:There has been an item of "news", that has recently been making the rounds here, about an advertisement in Moscow with breast shots that have caused 500 traffic accidents.

    Can somebody from Russia tell us if this is true or not?
    No doubt that they caused a couple accidents, but 500+? - They probably counted general accidents in the surrounding area of the truck-side advertisements (30 trucks!), which would explain the unreal number suggested by the media. Having 30 of those inaccurate reports and that number becomes realistic, in a false way...
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    Post  Regular on Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:55 pm

    500+? Maybe through whole day in Moscow district Very Happy Sounds like bad journalism. 
    When they put massive led commercial screen in main street next to my house we got 7 accidents through same day. And 1 was fatal. It was new thing there. Next to busy junction. When it got dark it was uncalibrated and too bright.. I can see boobs having similar effect Very Happy
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    Hate campaigns against Russia in Finland and the west

    Post  kvs on Sat Oct 25, 2014 1:29 am

    Here is a post from another blog by karl1haushofer about a recent murder in Finland:

    Anti-Russian feelings have been steadily rising in Finland for a long time and the crisis in Ukraine have accelerated the process. Various internet boards, social media and newspaper’s comment sections are full of hateful and anti-Russian comments.

    The media is even “helping” the process by purposely flaming anti-Russian feelings within the population. All of the major media outlets are more or less anti-Russian with Helsingin Sanomat (our biggest newspaper) and Iltasanomat (biggest tabloid paper) leading the way, both owned by Sanoma group.

    Since Finland has a big Russian minority I have been afraid if they might be subjected to a violence or attacks because of this growing hatred. Many Russians living in Finland have been telling how they are more and more afraid of revealing their ethnicity in fear of aggressive responses.

    A couple of weeks ago a 58 year old Russian woman was brutally murdered in Helsinki. She was beaten for hours and finally her body was found at a shore of the Baltic sea. The mainstream media did not say that the victim was Russian until it was revealed in the social media.

    The murderer was found and his name is Jukka Romppainen. He is a 28 year old leader of the youth group of Finland’s biggest party National Coalition. The murdered woman was a neighbor of Romppainen.

    Romppainen is a known Russian hater in social media. His Facebook wall was full of anti-Russian messages. He was very vocal against the Crimean operation of Russia and had a lot of racist remarks about Russia and Russian people in his Facebook page.

    In spite of this the Finnish police does not believe that a racial hate was a motivation for this murder, even when it is known that Romppainen both hated Russia and knew that this woman was a Russian, and there is no other sensible motive for the murder. Also the fact that the authorities wanted to conceal the victim’s nationality speaks some volumes. It is not good publicity for Finland that the leader of a youth group of Finland’s biggest party brutally beat an old Russian woman to her death.

    I hope that this is not a new trend here where Russians have to be concerned about their safety. There is a lot of hate on the air, but so far things have not escalated to open violence against Russians.

    There is no analogue for this media hate propaganda in Russia. Westerners aren't being murdered by hate filled Russians venting
    their primitive frustrations.

    I read all sorts of outright lies about Ukraine and Russia's "invasion" day in and day out. The western media propaganda spew uses
    hate language and spins information to push the ridiculous narrative that the Donbas is a 100% Russian operation and not an uprising
    by the locals against the Kiev coup regime. NATO cannot allow its open support for the coup regime to be challenged by facts that
    expose both NATO and the regime as bloody butchers and war criminals. Various "human rights" groups in the west write reports
    on mass graves uncovered in formerly regime controlled territory in a way that makes it look like the rebels are doing similar levels
    of extra-judicial killings by using simple fudge words and without a shred of evidence to back this spin.
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  Mike E on Sat Oct 25, 2014 1:55 am

    Holy crap, that is getting pretty serious... 

    Thankfully I haven't seen much of that in my area. - Though US citizens are very critical (and idiotic) when it comes to the Russian government and the country itself, most of us have no feeling against the people themselves. At least not that I've seen. Either way, this is the direct result of a broad propaganda campaign and a populations that is willing to gobble it up....
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:10 pm

    Mike E wrote:Holy crap, that is getting pretty serious... 

    Thankfully I haven't seen much of that in my area. - Though US citizens are very critical (and idiotic) when it comes to the Russian government and the country itself, most of us have no feeling against the people themselves. At least not that I've seen. Either way, this is the direct result of a broad propaganda campaign and a populations that is willing to gobble it up....

    Better red then dead, the Communist wich hunts, etc. Your country was worst than most in dealing with Russian's and or Soviet citizens. I still hear the same sentiments from your ilk. You may not have heard it, but you may not hear a lot when you have your head in sand.
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  Mike E on Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:36 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Mike E wrote:Holy crap, that is getting pretty serious... 

    Thankfully I haven't seen much of that in my area. - Though US citizens are very critical (and idiotic) when it comes to the Russian government and the country itself, most of us have no feeling against the people themselves. At least not that I've seen. Either way, this is the direct result of a broad propaganda campaign and a populations that is willing to gobble it up....

    Your country was worst than most in dealing with Russian's and or Soviet citizens.  I still hear the same sentiments from your ilk.  You may not have heard it, but you may not hear a lot when you have your head in sand.
    "Was" - That's the key word in there. Back in the Cold War our country was extremely hostile to the CCCP and Russian's themselves, but that is a thing of the past now... I know a few Russian immigrants and not a single one has trouble living over here. If anything, having a "pro-Russian" stance on events is much more controversial. Sepheronx, honestly, I would see it IF it was prevalent here.
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Oct 25, 2014 9:04 pm

    Mike E wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Mike E wrote:Holy crap, that is getting pretty serious... 

    Thankfully I haven't seen much of that in my area. - Though US citizens are very critical (and idiotic) when it comes to the Russian government and the country itself, most of us have no feeling against the people themselves. At least not that I've seen. Either way, this is the direct result of a broad propaganda campaign and a populations that is willing to gobble it up....

    Your country was worst than most in dealing with Russian's and or Soviet citizens.  I still hear the same sentiments from your ilk.  You may not have heard it, but you may not hear a lot when you have your head in sand.
    "Was" - That's the key word in there. Back in the Cold War our country was extremely hostile to the CCCP and Russian's themselves, but that is a thing of the past now... I know a few Russian immigrants and not a single one has trouble living over here. If anything, having a "pro-Russian" stance on events is much more controversial. Sepheronx, honestly, I would see it IF it was prevalent here.

    I would admit that the average person in US has far more to worry about, but it is prevalent in our media regarding Russia. Not everyone though gets objective news, thus there are a lot of people with the mindset that Russia = evil. There was an old viewpoint that during USSR, average person in US viewed Russians as a whole as evil commies, while in USSR the view was that only the US government is evil. After reading how US citizens are (face it, MP.net is a good example of them) feel about many in the middle east where they want to turn the area into glass, kinda gives me the impression they can change their viewpoints rather quickly towards similar with Russia.
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  Mike E on Sat Oct 25, 2014 9:16 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Mike E wrote:Holy crap, that is getting pretty serious... 

    Thankfully I haven't seen much of that in my area. - Though US citizens are very critical (and idiotic) when it comes to the Russian government and the country itself, most of us have no feeling against the people themselves. At least not that I've seen. Either way, this is the direct result of a broad propaganda campaign and a populations that is willing to gobble it up....

    Your country was worst than most in dealing with Russian's and or Soviet citizens.  I still hear the same sentiments from your ilk.  You may not have heard it, but you may not hear a lot when you have your head in sand.
    "Was" - That's the key word in there. Back in the Cold War our country was extremely hostile to the CCCP and Russian's themselves, but that is a thing of the past now... I know a few Russian immigrants and not a single one has trouble living over here. If anything, having a "pro-Russian" stance on events is much more controversial. Sepheronx, honestly, I would see it IF it was prevalent here.

    I would admit that the average person in US has far more to worry about, but it is prevalent in our media regarding Russia.  Not everyone though gets objective news, thus there are a lot of people with the mindset that Russia = evil.  There was an old viewpoint that during USSR, average person in US viewed Russians as a whole as evil commies, while in USSR the view was that only the US government is evil.  After reading how US citizens are (face it, MP.net is a good example of them) feel about many in the middle east where they want to turn the area into glass, kinda gives me the impression they can change their viewpoints rather quickly towards similar with Russia.
    I'm talking about the people here, not our media or government... The MSM here demonizes Russia and (in certain cases) Russians as well as much as they can. Yes, the majority of MURICANS' here dislike Russia because of the Cold War and our MSM etc, but that's not what I'm trying to say. - The people here don't mind Russian people and their culture, which is my point... 

    MP.net is a terrible example... That forum is full of a bunch of hot-headed pre-teens that get all butt-hurt when someones disagrees with them. The Joe Shmoe American doesn't know crap about our forces anyway... 

    Many of us are opposed to intervention, more so intervention in the Middle East. Those that aren't are typically your average idiotic Republican on Democrat. Thankfully, almost every Independent here is opposed to intervention, so there always that to think about...............
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Oct 25, 2014 9:18 pm

    Mike E wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Mike E wrote:Holy crap, that is getting pretty serious... 

    Thankfully I haven't seen much of that in my area. - Though US citizens are very critical (and idiotic) when it comes to the Russian government and the country itself, most of us have no feeling against the people themselves. At least not that I've seen. Either way, this is the direct result of a broad propaganda campaign and a populations that is willing to gobble it up....

    Your country was worst than most in dealing with Russian's and or Soviet citizens.  I still hear the same sentiments from your ilk.  You may not have heard it, but you may not hear a lot when you have your head in sand.
    "Was" - That's the key word in there. Back in the Cold War our country was extremely hostile to the CCCP and Russian's themselves, but that is a thing of the past now... I know a few Russian immigrants and not a single one has trouble living over here. If anything, having a "pro-Russian" stance on events is much more controversial. Sepheronx, honestly, I would see it IF it was prevalent here.

    I would admit that the average person in US has far more to worry about, but it is prevalent in our media regarding Russia.  Not everyone though gets objective news, thus there are a lot of people with the mindset that Russia = evil.  There was an old viewpoint that during USSR, average person in US viewed Russians as a whole as evil commies, while in USSR the view was that only the US government is evil.  After reading how US citizens are (face it, MP.net is a good example of them) feel about many in the middle east where they want to turn the area into glass, kinda gives me the impression they can change their viewpoints rather quickly towards similar with Russia.
    I'm talking about the people here, not our media or government... The MSM here demonizes Russia and (in certain cases) Russians as well as much as they can. Yes, the majority of MURICANS' here dislike Russia because of the Cold War and our MSM etc, but that's not what I'm trying to say. - The people here don't mind Russian people and their culture, which is my point... 

    MP.net is a terrible example... That forum is full of a bunch of hot-headed pre-teens that get all butt-hurt when someones disagrees with them. The Joe Shmoe American doesn't know crap about our forces anyway... 

    Many of us are opposed to intervention, more so intervention in the Middle East. Those that aren't are typically your average idiotic Republican on Democrat. Thankfully, almost every Independent here is opposed to intervention, so there always that to think about...............

    Then the average needs to be more proactive in telling their respective governments to be careful in their foreign policies. But I do not see this happening.
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    Post  Mike E on Sat Oct 25, 2014 9:24 pm

    The average person doesn't, but many still do. Foreign intervention is quickly becoming a thing of the past, and I think that the US population is starting to realize that. Thankfully, unnecessary intervention like the Iraq War etc have helped to wake the average American up. More so when our soldiers are losing their lives......
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sat Oct 25, 2014 9:26 pm

    The only reason why intervention is a thing of the past is because USA losing grip. Economically and militarily that is.
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  Mike E on Sat Oct 25, 2014 9:57 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:The only reason why intervention is a thing of the past is because USA losing grip. Economically and militarily that is.
    It *should* be a thing of the past, US intervention is already digging its grave. The US has showed that intervention simply doesn't help, so what's the point of it?
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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:03 pm

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-25/whatever-we-decide-disaster-us-france-admits-putin-winning-europe-blinked

    good read from French Ambassador to USA. Even though he states Russia is supporting separatists (even if it isn't quite proven), he states they are loosing grasp of this.
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 26, 2014 8:33 am

    The US has showed that intervention simply doesn't help, so what's the point of it?

    You know this already but let me spell it out to you.

    The US government makes decisions on interventions and cares nothing about anything except itself and reelection.

    The Generals and other professional soldiers who climb through the ranks to positions of power train the people below them or at least control them for a period, but have no say in interventions.

    When they retire big companies hire ex generals and other high ranking military officers because they know they have influence in the military and also the pentagon.

    Those same big companies have enormous pockets and can wine and dine the particular members of government that decide who to invade and which companies will get the contracts to clean up afterwards.

    Bombing countries cost a half a trillion dollars or more, but most of that money was recovered in contracts to US companies to rebuild what was destroyed... either from the newly installed governments under US control and including local funds and US provided loans that dictate who gets the contract.

    Whether those companies get money from the bombed country or from the US "aide" to rebuild afterwards they will make a fortune which in turn finances their "contribution" to both political parties to ensure favourable laws get passed and contracts are given to the right company.

    If you think protests is going to stop that you are mistaken... most politicians care about their own pockets and if they will be reelected and that can be bought and paid for too.


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    Hate campaigns against Russia in Finland and the west

    Post  Mike E on Sun Oct 26, 2014 8:57 am

    Exactly that, but I meant to ask what is the actual none-corrupted benefit? There really is none, except for, like you said, lining the pockets of our politicians...
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    Excellent video on orthodox lies about the USSR

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:57 pm

    This video exposes little know crimes of the russian church as well as hypocrisies and lies created by the currently trendy bourgois orthodox antisemite "patriots" and refutes some BS antisemitic lies about judaism being communism.



    I recommend it for anyone who thinks the czar or the white army were good people.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:04 pm

    Many east european russophobes love to create lies about how russia and USSR supposedly murdered or deported entire populations. Chechens, balts , circassians, volga tatars and romanians are the most common "victims". For chechens this is utter BULLSHIT. If there weren't any in the caucasus after WW2 then why the fuck during the early 90's the region was 2/3s chechen, most of them in(and still are today) in isolated communities? Also by that logic if all of them were deported we wouldn't have the 1995 war.
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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:17 pm

    The funniest claim made from an US american he made of how cruel and how human hating russians are is that he claimed they murdered in gulags during the 1990s chechenian wars several millions of chechenians.

    Not only that the population of chechens just recently only succeeded 1 mln mark and the fact that gulags do not exist and the whole funny thing was that this bullcrap came from a "proud american", like he called himself.
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    Post  collegeboy16 on Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:21 pm

    nah, best example of hypocrisy-bloodless annexation bad, hardcore invasion and regime change good. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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    Post  higurashihougi on Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:26 pm

    Please correct me if I am wrong, but I heard that, many people see Stalin as the protector of industry and science. And after Stalin died, many scientists, technicians and industrial leaders were purged by Khruschyov and the faction of battlefield generals.

    For example it is said that Mikoyan was forced to retired while the MiG-25 project was still unfinished, and Gurevich had to lead the MiG-25 project in a very difficult situation.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Dec 27, 2014 5:40 pm

    I thought it was the opposite. Stalin removed Tupolev's design bereau, purposefully stopped development of highly promising recoiless weapons, murdered the inventor of the first automatic grenade launcher and also put sergei korolev in prison and destroyed his works, as well as countless more promising scientists during the 30s
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:37 pm

    Can anyone debunk the bullshit about soviets supposedly killing off for treason soviet POWs? It hardly seems believable that someone who spent years on the brink of death in a concentration camp would've been condemned.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:31 am

    Of the 5-6 million soviet prisoners in WWII that went into captivity in Europe (held by the Germans) the vast majority died in captivity... only about 1.5-2 million made it back to the Soviet Union... conditions were hard and often they weren't fed at all and were largely worked to death.

    When they returned home they were treated with suspicion... had they helped the Germans? Why had they survived when so many others died... all sorts of dark thoughts...


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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:04 pm

    GarryB wrote:Of the 5-6 million soviet prisoners in WWII that went into captivity in Europe (held by the Germans) the vast majority died in captivity... only about 1.5-2 million made it back to the Soviet Union... conditions were hard and often they weren't fed at all and were largely worked to death.

    When they returned home they were treated with suspicion... had they helped the Germans? Why had they survived when so many others died... all sorts of dark thoughts...
    But the propaganda is that after they were liberated after WW2 evil Stalin personally sent every single one of them to die in gulags in case some of them were exposed to western ideas and because they and because evil mongoloid red army doesn't allow soldiers they are stalin's cannon fodder and they should all win or die on the battlefield.

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