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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:12 pm

    Austin wrote:Every wondered why the greatest ally of West and US in Middle East and the greatest country to support terrorism in the world ever got flagged for being so much dependent on Oil.....while Western media is so much high on lashing Oil Revenues for Russia and Putins downfall  ?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Saudi_Arabia

    The petroleum sector accounts for roughly 92.5% of budget revenues,[15] 55% of GDP, and 90% of export earnings. About 40% of GDP comes from the private sector.

    And since 2008 they have spent $800 billion in Economic Stimulus to avoid any revolt in their kingdom

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-23/saudi-arabia-slows-planned-spending-growth-in-record-2014-budget.html

    Saudi Arabia has introduced almost $800 billion in stimulus measures since 2008.



    So much for  (un)Fairness  of Western Press

    This is what I'm talking about, btw everyone remembers the lies about "democratic" Boris Yeltsin? He's democratic because he allows Western companies to loot Russia, he's democratic because he fires tank shells in to his parliament because they disagreed with the old violent drunk Boris, he's democratic because he allows his allies to be artificially balkanized. Don't you find it hilarious that the U.S. State Department would send gay athletes to Sochi on one hand, while prop up Saudi Arabia, where being gay means a death sentence via decapitation from a sword? We can't allow ourselves to forget how Saudi Arabia owns large shares in Western media like Twitter, Time-Warner and News Corp, no wonder the whole "gay rights" conservation hasn't been put in to context, you can't upset the Saudi shareholders can you?
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  Airbornewolf on Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:02 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I forgot formula 1. They are to have a race once a year, so that should attract more people. Apparently China has a lot of tourists visiting Russia often and Sochi is really one of the few sub tropical locations in Russia.  

    @ Austin.

    Dont be surprised. Russia is public enemy #1 in USA, as they played the soviet/Russian fear mongering for over 50 years, so there are plenty of people that have power and money from that era, running the show. Makes it worst now since there are fewer media mougals in USA now, so our news is very limited (may have different names and may seem there are a lot of news outlets, but most are run by the same conpanies). Russia is the big bad bear, because (regardless of Chinas spending) is a real competitor due to US having so little to no influence over Russia, and Russia can contest to what US does (even if it isnt as great as it once was). So it is easier to demonize the country than it is to praise it. Look at the debacle of the Sochi olympics and how many news outlets have lied about it to make it look worst than it is here?

    Which brings me to my next point: Russia will never be or may not be a big tourist attraction for Europe or USA. It could be for Asia but not the other. Reason why, is because the media and politics west of Russia has played Russia up to be this big monster that everyone should hate and fear (Poland, UK, USA, Western Ukraine, Romania, Etc) while the other nations...they cant afford to travel. Germany and France being the exception whom seem to have tourists that go everywhere, even to some of the worst places in the world for thrill (I suppose).

    Unfortunately, Russias image is damaged. But thankfully, knowing Indian family members who studied and lives in Russia, tells a different tale than what western media says. That Russians are not all racist monkeys like our media says and it isnt all just doom and gloom.



    It is of course old, but things really has not changed much.r

    i do not agree with your statement sepheronx,

    you can not write off everyone in western europe and U.S.A to have this misplaced and baseless attitude towards Russia. i am well aware of "our" western media's misconduct towards russia and its allies but we do not all think like that.

    personally, me and other most western veterans playing airsoft got respect for russian forces for what they endured in their own country's operations against an enemy we "west" fought too. i always defend Russia's position and right to sovereign decisions in world politics and errors on our "own" west side. and when we meet them in airsoft battle's we always appreciate the chance that they wish to skirmish with us. i admit, some american assholes cant watch their mouths against russian players but we take measures as well and kick them from the field if they do.

    and this following section is not directed at you sepheronx but in general. it is not your fault but let me finish up here for the general public here,  im still trying to get the feel of the mentality around here on the forum, but to write the entire west off as a bunch of russian-haters is bullshit, i apologise for being so blunt. ive played with russian veterans in airsoft games but never got the chance to actually have a drink and talk about things. and i think that is a damn waste not being able to do that for things that happened in the cold war and people either misunderstand about how my generation of war veterans feels about russians today or perhaps what they hear trough social media or like this. "how the west hates russia". where do you base it on really?, a bunch of civilians filling in polls?. that will be damn accurate wont it?. people forming an opinion based on their own little world trough filtered media and never exited their safe,protected enviroment to see what is going on on the other side. i know one or two here speak with military experience reading trough the sentences in the post, propably a handfull of civilians too that do have a good picture how it works in the millitary. but the rest is just shouting a bunch of crap after reading up on wikipedia about weapon specs and no clue about how human behaviour fits in war or scenario's for that matter. a mass patrol boat assault with torpedoes on an armed modern frigate?. you cant be serious?, like that frigate would allow a dozen boats within its defense zone ?!. i think Russian warships have some of the best point defense systems of modern ships and their captains do not mess around.

    and how some talk about deployments or operations in war, ...maybe first experience how its like to be shot at, get a explosion near you and hear the screaming guy that just lost his legs next to you you served with for two years, you had drinks, laughs and attended his marriage 6 months ago?. meanwhile you try to stay alive together while you put his and your tourniqet on his legs, write the date of the tourniqet on his forehead while he keeps telling you he cant feel his legs. in the meantime you better fight for your life because these jallah-jallah morons come at you dead-set on decapitating you and your friends and post your head for al-jazeera for the t.v dinner of your fammily back home. its all the same for the other branches of millitary, a pilot hearing over the radio his wingman burning alive after a missile strike and the the cockpit hinges buckled because of the strike?, or navymen knowing their comrades are drowning in the engine room where that acoustic torpedo just impacted and the room gets sealed off to prevent flooding to the rest of the ship?. or a helicopter going down after tail-rotor failure or engine fire after enemy fire?. its what we like among veterans to call "armchair-generals". what goes one here. i do not need any symphathy either, just to illustrate how real warfare goes, what do you think the russian troops endured in their time in Afghanistan or tsjechnia ?. or perhaps why not many like to talk about what happened there?.

    the above was just to illustrate the lack of actual knowledge of millitary operations of some posts, the good ones are of course present too. im actually learning of some members about the operation and technology's of russian weaponry and im truly happy and gratefull with that. for example, a member rightfully pointed out the maintenance time for an F-22 and compared it to an top-athlete that performed to the top and needed long recovery. thats rightfully true. and so there are other good example's of people knowing what they talk about.

    im sorry for going off-topic, and i do not wish to give the staff here trouble but seriously i felth i needed to speak up here and let members here know not everyone in the west have ill-opinions about russians and i hope on more regular meetings with russian airsoft gamers and veterans and perhaps share a bottle of vodka (no stereotype intended) and talk about stuff.
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:18 pm

    I live in Canada. The amount of crap being flung about Russia is astronomical. And we are apparently less biased than western europe and USA.

    Sorry, dont mean to put so many into one basket. But, your media, your government and the people who put them there are to blame.

    I know not everyone is some commie hating to the point of foaming through the mouth, but the amount of BS in media being portrayed is pretty big. But I read some good articles on Yahoo news and google. So it really isnt all that bad. But, just an FYI, its always best to read more than one source from more than one location. Truth may still not be there, but you may get a better idea what may be true.
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  Airbornewolf on Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:32 pm

    dont get your hopes up sepheronx, maybe you should inquire then why dutch airborne recon where on a flight of a canadian C-130 carrying vx nerve gas in November 2008 in Afghanistan from Kabul to Kandahar?. last time i checked canadians signed the geneva convention too....among with the OPCW one. you seriously believe your own goverment?.

    and i do not represent anything of my country or goverment, im former millitary remember?. im an individual with my own opinion just like you i imagine.

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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  TR1 on Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:36 pm

    Russian media makes America basically the great satan itself, you guys need to relax.

    Yes, Western coverage from CNN to BBC of Russia has been a joke. And no, not because of constant criticism, but because of factual and fundamental lack of understanding on mostly everything that goes on regarding Russia.

    Whatever. I am long over it. Look at it this way, it makes you look smarter when you can counter what they spew with actually educated insight.
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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:09 pm

    TR1 wrote:Russian media makes America basically the great satan itself, you guys need to relax.

    Yes, Western coverage from CNN to BBC of Russia has been a joke. And no, not because of constant criticism, but because of factual and fundamental lack of understanding on mostly everything that goes on regarding Russia.

    Whatever. I am long over it. Look at it this way, it makes you look smarter when you can counter what they spew with actually educated insight.

    I got desensitized to it long ago, but what I can't get over is the sheer amount of useful idiots the Western media produces who right now are constantly posting crap on Facebook, forums, etc... these people just give me a headache. I can't even read one Russian related article without some muppet putting in an irrelevant comment about it's new laws about homosexual propaganda and so on.

    It's upsetting - because it's bullshit 'bout my country yet people honestly believe it.

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    Post  TR1 on Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:43 pm

    Vlad007 wrote:

    So how many people have been killed by Russian forces again?

    How many by Ukrainians themselves Wink?

    Also your photoshop sucks ass. You even trying brah?
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:02 pm

    Vlad007 wrote:


    Well, read the regulations, first you need to introduce yourself  lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! 
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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:06 pm

    There is no need for an introduction, you don't expect from such low IQ russophobe and idiot anything constructive or anything of value.
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    Post  MH-17 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:40 pm

    Terrorussia will pay for the lives lost on MH-17. Justice will be served for those aboard MH-17.

    Russian supporters are dirt who need to be wiped out. Enjoy this picture. You will see more like it.

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    Post  Airbornewolf on Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:21 pm

    obviously you are a flamer, i really do not even care how misguided you are.

    but for the general members here, im a dutch citizen. personally of course i have no words for the massive loss of life by the shooting down of MH17.

    unlike some Western People and Goverments, i await the official investigation results before i "officially" give my opinion.

    that said, as a former millitary proffesional i know its technically impossible for an Russian BUK to shoot down MH17 when at best the weapon only has a range of 42/50 KM in perfect conditions. the crash site is located 60 KM from Russia's border. its technically impossible for the BUK to have come from the Russian Territory.

    and the retarded theory's of an infiltrated Russian BUK TELAR shooting out of central ukraine and then exfiltrate unopposed with nobody noticing is simply idiotic. on every road there are anti kiev/kiev army checkpoints. like nobody starts asking questions when they hear a civilian airlines got shot down and dont bother to think what thats BUK doing racing out of the country on the back of a truck?. in war its just impossible. stop using drugs, read some books about war of for gods sake ask someone that fought in an actual war if this can be done. they tell you this is impossible to pull off.

    and thats not mentioning the Spanish Air Traffic Controller hired by Kiev sending his lasts tweets out to twitter while Kiev's millitary seized him and his crew in the immidiate aftermath. describing that Kiev where the ones responsible for shooting down MH17. i for one am very curious to his testimony. the Spanish ATC is already confirmed to actually work for Kiev's ATC.

    http://slavyangrad.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/spanish-air-controller-kiev-borispol-airport-ukraine-military-shot-down-boeing-mh17/

    i assume the Ukrainians shot it down, the facts just points seriously in that direction. the fact i assume that has nothing to do me being on this forum either. i said it before and i say it again, i state my opinion regardlesss if its critisising to Russia or not.

    but while 180 dead fellow countryman lie scattered on the ground in Lockerbie-style in Ukraine with even dead Dutch troops im of course pissed. but the fact remains that i do not believe Russia did it. too many facts say it can not be staged by russia, and too many things already point towards Ukraine for the shooting down.
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    Post  TR1 on Sun Jul 27, 2014 3:34 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:The most fascinating thing about world geo-politics is the U.S. state dept. kills over 1.5 million Iraqi's over a lie and left the country in as a mess with thousands of suicide bombings a month, and virtually no one condemns that, but a virtually bloodless legal referendum (Kosovo set a international standard that the U.N. has accepted) that's virtually the same one from 1992 (which pre-dates Putin's presidency by 8 years) where one of the outcomes is the elderly gaining pensions that have doubled in size, but that gets international condemnation even from the fraud Ban Ki Moon and the U.N. It's safe to say Ban Ki Moon (a guy who lectures about stopping arms trafficking, but doesn't say jackshit about France, Britain, U.S. openly admitting arms trafficking in to Libya, Syria) should be named Brown-Eye Moon, a cookie-cutter puppet of the Anglosphere and the United Nations will go the way of the League of Nations.
    Oh boy! The US killed a bunch of if Iraqis!

    Guess we are good to do what we please as long as we don't approach that kill count! Putin's presidency is good for Russia, because he didn't kill as many people! Sweet!
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    Post  TR1 on Sun Jul 27, 2014 3:35 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    TR1 wrote:I don't partake in the discussion because the discussion here makes mp.net look fair and balanced.

    Russia's hand is deep in the mess, that much is evident for anyone but blind bots. I am sure all those Kamaz trucks, T-64s that look suspiciously identical to ones on Russian roads, RPOs and RPGs were magically created in Ukrainian stocks. Whatever helps you people sleep at night.

    Meanwhile Russia will continue to be on the "wrong side" as far as economic development goes.


    Now I know you are lying.

    Anyway, please provide the evidence.  MP.net is pretty bad when it comes to anything Russian, and various people on that boards got banned for even pointing out that US is being hypocritical. I will admit that MP.net is deemed more credible simply because we have too many members here berating about Jews.  But that does not stand in the way of the outright bs from members like AIG, CPuffs, Jusso, Asheron and the like.  You yourself has been banned from that site.

    My suggestion is that if you got the evidence, please provide it.  Saying that it is obvious besides to bots is not really evidence.  If it is so obvious, then it finding evidence wouldn't be hard.  But so far, US is having that trouble.  Might I suggest you go over their and help them?  Last time we actually talked, you stated you lived in US.  Now you live in Russia.  Which is making your position less than credible.

    BTW, keep to what you know best.  It isn't economics.  Because I already posted a link regarding growth in Russia in the economics thread.  Might I suggest you go and read it?

    Russian members themselves have confirmed equipment to come from Russia. You either can't read, or your desperate desire to defend Russia in ever situation is blinding you.
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    Post  TR1 on Sun Jul 27, 2014 3:37 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    TR1 wrote:I don't partake in the discussion because the discussion here makes mp.net look fair and balanced.

    Russia's hand is deep in the mess, that much is evident for anyone but blind bots. I am sure all those Kamaz trucks, T-64s that look suspiciously identical to ones on Russian roads, RPOs and RPGs were magically created in Ukrainian stocks. Whatever helps you people sleep at night.

    Meanwhile Russia will continue to be on the "wrong side" as far as economic development goes.


    Now I know you are lying.

    Anyway, please provide the evidence.  MP.net is pretty bad when it comes to anything Russian, and various people on that boards got banned for even pointing out that US is being hypocritical. I will admit that MP.net is deemed more credible simply because we have too many members here berating about Jews.  But that does not stand in the way of the outright bs from members like AIG, CPuffs, Jusso, Asheron and the like.  You yourself has been banned from that site.

    My suggestion is that if you got the evidence, please provide it.  Saying that it is obvious besides to bots is not really evidence.  If it is so obvious, then it finding evidence wouldn't be hard.  But so far, US is having that trouble.  Might I suggest you go over their and help them?  Last time we actually talked, you stated you lived in US.  Now you live in Russia.  Which is making your position less than credible.

    BTW, keep to what you know best.  It isn't economics.  Because I already posted a link regarding growth in Russia in the economics thread.  Might I suggest you go and read it?

    My god, you really are a case arn't you?

    I live where I please. You live in freaking Canada, remind me the last time you spent 5 minutes in Russia?
    I wouldn't bring up economy either, in your desperate attempts to defend Russia you claimed China was a bigger trade partner than the EU.

    The economy here is crap. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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    Post  TR1 on Sun Jul 27, 2014 3:40 pm

    mack8 wrote:
    TR1 wrote:I'm posting this from Russia.

    You know, the country none of you (the Putin bots rushing in to attack me) are from, the country none of you are citizens of, and the country none of you have clearly spent 5 minutes in.

    One of Them lol. This forum has truly sunk into degeneracy with this Ukraine mess.

    Don't rush to call all of them "Putin's bots", you sound like an american now. Don't you find sad that FOREIGNERS are defending your own country and standing behind it, while you bash it? Good or bad, and despite many problems, Russia and it's people still has something 95% of world countries do not have: a SPINE. You know, being truly independent, and not a puppet of some other power. Which is what your US is aiming at, not matter what and especially no matter if it's Putin or ANYONE else in charge for them the only "good" Russia is just a weak fragmented puppet in their service, preferably to be used against the chinese (fancy a nuclear war to take out China, notwithstanding Russia will be obliterated too? Uncle Sam would very much love that...). Look at Ukraine, your neighbours, sharing a common history and speaking practically the same language how it has been set against Russia by a power 10,000km away. How this happened? Through traitors, corrupt oligarchs and brainwashed masses. Is this the future you want for your own country? Is the american propaganda having this effect on yourself? Well, this is how the bastards groom and grow their "fifth columns", brainwashing and turning russian against russian (same as any other of their targets). You may possibly think you are a patriot and truly think there is a better choice, but unknowingly you are just  a cog of many in the american destabilizing machine. Think about that. No disrespect.
    Oh here we get the biggest Russia defender on the web.
    No, what we have is a bunch of foreigners who (while knowing nothing) defend a terrible regime that above all else hurts the Russian people.
    I don't give a crap about how many Iraqi's died. It has little to do with Russia.

    Russia has a spine? If by spine you mean being under the whip of a tiny majority that does not live according to the country's laws and has stolen anything of value? What a spine!

    No disrepect either to you Mack, you post good technical stuff, but you are a real case when it comes to your obsession with defending anyone who opposes the US.

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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Jul 27, 2014 4:51 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:The most fascinating thing about world geo-politics is the U.S. state dept. kills over 1.5 million Iraqi's over a lie and left the country in as a mess with thousands of suicide bombings a month, and virtually no one condemns that, but a virtually bloodless legal referendum (Kosovo set a international standard that the U.N. has accepted) that's virtually the same one from 1992 (which pre-dates Putin's presidency by 8 years) where one of the outcomes is the elderly gaining pensions that have doubled in size, but that gets international condemnation even from the fraud Ban Ki Moon and the U.N. It's safe to say Ban Ki Moon (a guy who lectures about stopping arms trafficking, but doesn't say jackshit about France, Britain, U.S. openly admitting arms trafficking in to Libya, Syria) should be named Brown-Eye Moon, a cookie-cutter puppet of the Anglosphere and the United Nations will go the way of the League of Nations.
    Oh boy! The US killed a bunch of if Iraqis!

    Guess we are good to do what we please as long as we don't approach that kill count! Putin's presidency is good for Russia, because he didn't kill as many people! Sweet!

    LMAO this is hilarious, and oh how wonderfully ironic! While you were myopically going on your typical contrarian diatribes about what constitutes just leadership, you failed to realize that you frivolously glossed over the fact of 1.5 million human beings dying needlessly and their perpetrators getting away scot-free. Ironically this the same exact mentality as Jospeh Stalin who was quoted as saying - "One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic." Embarassed pale Wink
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    Post  TR1 on Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:00 pm

    I don't gloss over it, in fact I don't care at all. This is a Russian military forum, not "cry about the West everytime Russia is critisized".

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    Post  TR1 on Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:01 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:Your are an attention whore don't you? You understood that we bite and try your best to provoke us. Talk to the hand.

    This is coming from one of the truly best nuts on this forum.
    I seem to recall a characteristically retarded post from you, something about cleansing all Ukraine of non-Russians.
    Go grab your rifle and go to Donbass, badass.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:14 pm

    TR1 wrote:I don't gloss over it, in fact I don't care at all.

    Man, oh man you keeping digging yourself in to a bigger hole...please lecture us more about moral superiority and just leadership... lol1 
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    Post  Mike E on Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:31 pm

    You guys realize that this is a "Civil Aviation News" thread, right? I hate to sound like a "moderator", but take this argument somewhere else. Wink
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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:46 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    mack8 wrote:
    TR1 wrote:I'm posting this from Russia.

    You know, the country none of you (the Putin bots rushing in to attack me) are from, the country none of you are citizens of, and the country none of you have clearly spent 5 minutes in.

    One of Them lol. This forum has truly sunk into degeneracy with this Ukraine mess.

    Don't rush to call all of them "Putin's bots", you sound like an american now. Don't you find sad that FOREIGNERS are defending your own country and standing behind it, while you bash it? Good or bad, and despite many problems, Russia and it's people still has something 95% of world countries do not have: a SPINE. You know, being truly independent, and not a puppet of some other power. Which is what your US is aiming at, not matter what and especially no matter if it's Putin or ANYONE else in charge for them the only "good" Russia is just a weak fragmented puppet in their service, preferably to be used against the chinese (fancy a nuclear war to take out China, notwithstanding Russia will be obliterated too? Uncle Sam would very much love that...). Look at Ukraine, your neighbours, sharing a common history and speaking practically the same language how it has been set against Russia by a power 10,000km away. How this happened? Through traitors, corrupt oligarchs and brainwashed masses. Is this the future you want for your own country? Is the american propaganda having this effect on yourself? Well, this is how the bastards groom and grow their "fifth columns", brainwashing and turning russian against russian (same as any other of their targets). You may possibly think you are a patriot and truly think there is a better choice, but unknowingly you are just  a cog of many in the american destabilizing machine. Think about that. No disrespect.
    Oh here we get the biggest Russia defender on the web.
    No, what we have is a bunch of foreigners who (while knowing nothing) defend a terrible regime that above all else hurts the Russian people.
    I don't give a crap about how many Iraqi's died. It has little to do with Russia.

    Russia has a spine? If by spine you mean being under the whip of a tiny majority that does not live according to the country's laws and has stolen anything of value? What a spine!

    No disrepect either to you Mack, you post good technical stuff, but you are a real case when it comes to your obsession with defending anyone who opposes the US.


    Uhh, calling russia a regime while not even once you used this word in context of your beloved US and the rest of the slave countries to US.

    After i mp net russophobes made a threat about "dictator putin and regime russia" and i replied that if russia is a regime then our western countries would be a level up. Well after that comment i got banned.

    So much for your western crap. You are compeltley ignoring and have so much putinophobia that you really have no idea about the political system, if you really knew russia how the political system works since shit Lenin and escpecially what power oligarchs of family Saxarov,Prokharov and the other Jelzin caste families gained, you would know that they are impossible to be removed by Putin, but yes lets blame Putin, don't even try to mention real oligarchs who are hurting russia and russians.

    You are the the only person i see so far with blindness to real problems of russia. I get it, here are quite a few with sometimes pink glasses when it comes to russia due the contrast of russia now and during Jelzin, but some here do not turn a blind eye on the real problems, the real threats to russia and russians, but you.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 07, 2014 12:31 am

    Sorry for reviving a dead thread, but I thought this was interesting.

    All of my information about the Warsaw Uprising said that Stalin goaded the pro UK resistance in Warsaw to rise up because the Soviets were near and then stopped his forces and waited while the Germans did to his political opponents what he wanted to do himself but without losing soldiers or using ammo himself and using up German soldiers and german ammo.

    I found this article very interesting:

    Septuagenarian myth of the "betrayal" of the Warsaw Uprising
    As "inactive" Red Army
    Maxim Scrubs

    70 years ago, October 2, 1944, ended began on 1 August of the same year, the Warsaw uprising. Since then gained widespread myth that the Red Army was allegedly "betrayed" the rebels, not wanting to help the anti-Soviet Polish Home Army, which played a major role in the uprising. In hundreds of publications repeated assertion that the Soviet troops halted the offensive because of political considerations, "not wanting" to go to the aid of the insurgents.

    Meanwhile, in fact, about any suspension of offensive against Warsaw axis, and the speech was not. Since the end of July 1944, the Red Army tried to capture Warsaw, to start taking Prague. In this case we are not talking about the Czech capital, but the Warsaw suburb of the same name, separated from the main part of town to the Vistula River.
    Here is that on this occasion the German generals wrote in his memoirs. Field Marshal Heinz Guderian in his memoirs, "Memoirs of a Soldier", recalled: "2 August 1st Polish Army" free democratic Polish Armed Forces "(we are talking about are often created in the Soviet Union of the Polish Army - auth.) Moved three divisions on the offensive across the Vistula on a plot of Pulawy - Deblin. Despite the heavy losses, it still managed to grab one beachhead and hold it until the Soviet reinforcements.
    Under Magnushev on the Vistula opponent also managed to create a beachhead. Troops crossed the Vistula on this site, had the task to move along the coast to Warsaw, but were stopped at the river Pilica.
    However, on August 8 at the command of the 9th German Army had the impression that the Russian attempt to seize Warsaw sudden blow to the progress of resistance broke the German defense, despite the uprising of the Poles, which, from the point of view of the enemy, started early. "

    Thus, according to Guderian first Soviet attempt in late July - early August 1944 to capture Warsaw "smashed against the resistance of the German defense." According to him, only by August 8 when trying to capture Warsaw Red Army lost 337 tanks.

    British military historian Liddell Hart in his book "The Second World War," writes: "In the area of ​​Warsaw the Germans entered into battle three relatively strong SS Panzer Division, came to the front on July 29: two of them were transferred from the south of Russia, one - from Italy. Causing a counterstrike from the north, they penetrated the Russian position and forced them to withdraw. Russian attempt to move from bridgeheads on the Vistula Germans repelled with the help of reinforcements arriving from Germany. "

    And what happened next? Hitler's General Kurt Tippelskirch, who later became a military historian, in his book "History of the Second World War," wrote: "After the blow of Warsaw in early August, has not reached the goal, Russian shifted their attack to the south. Here they are in pursuit of the 4th Panzer Army created two small bridgehead, one of which - the north - was immediately to the south east of the mouth of the river Pilica Varki at the front of the newly created 9th Army, the other - in the 80 km to the south, at the pool. For these bridgeheads in the month of August were made very heavy, which took place with varying degrees of success fighting. Because of the many difficulties experienced by the German troops on the Eastern Front, repeatedly at the last moment managed to concentrate sufficient forces have continuously expanded the bridgehead to narrow their counterattacks and did not allow them to implement the operational breakthrough in Radom. "

    Prague Soviet troops managed to take only after heavy fighting in mid-September. "Lie dormant" no one was going - barely clearing the Germans from Prague, the Polish soldiers of the pro-Soviet Polish Army and the Red Army began forcing the Vistula. With the heavy losses they were able to land on the other side. But to connect with the rebels could not - they departed from the coast of the Vistula. General Tadeusz Bor-Komorowski, commander of the rebels by Warsaw, has negotiated the surrender. General were provided with comfortable living conditions in captivity, his officers and men - surrender to the status of prisoners of war.

    Surrendering and then wait for the liberation by the Red Army or the Allied forces subordinate Bur Komarovsky and he began to propagate the myth of how they had been betrayed, abandoned, etc.

    To verify the absurdity of such statements, it is enough to read the description alone German heavy fighting against Soviet troops in July, August and September 1944 in Warsaw direction ...

    Maxim Scrubs

    Source: http://vpk-news.ru/articles/22121


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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  higurashihougi on Tue Oct 07, 2014 6:27 am

    @Garry: if you can read Vietnamese... you can see clearly why the Soviet was stopped outside of Warszawa

    https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi%E1%BA%BFn_d%E1%BB%8Bch_Lublin-Brest (in Vietnamese)

    Thanks to a certain great team of Vietnamese editors, the Vietnamese Wikipedia does not fell under the West's propaganda.

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