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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  SturmGuard on Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:25 am

    I used to visit the site much more frequently. Still do, if only to browse the most interesting AFV threads.

    The current condition is a reminder to everyone, what censorship and single-mindedness leads to. The current events part is toxic.

    The delusional and ignorant fucktards posting there simply don't have anyone to call them out on the nonsense they spout. You have western Europeans posing as experts on eastern European and Balkan history, you have mongrels writing about "Russian nationalist" Bolsheviks, Soviets, Putin, Stalin. It is really that stupid.


    With no one to ridicule them, disprove their unfounded claims and post primary historical evidence, they sink ever deeper, becoming more convinced.

    Which is why it is important to preserve discussion and pluralism, high number of contributors, on this forum, in my opinion.
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:14 pm

    Former NATO Chief: Russia to Invade Poland, Start World War III ‘Overnight’
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:12 pm

    Older but good article that talks about how CIA uses media for propaganda: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-28/top-german-journalist-admits-mainstream-media-completely-fake-we-all-lie-cia
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:25 am

    Garry thank you. Your responses sound well informed and intelligent. You respond with good logic and reasoning. I think we Americans know little about Russia and listen to a lot of propaganda. I think Americans underestimate Russian capabilities.

    The really sad thing is that stupidity is contagious and after discussing such topics with those who believe western propganda I find myself putting down western achievements for the sake of putting them in a better context in comparison with Russia.

    The Americans put men on the moon and that was a fantastic achievement... but the fanbois claiming US superiority in everything demanding that is further proof that the US is superior to Russia leads me to point out that a few minor changes and it could all have turned out very differently for both sides.

    I fall in to their pattern of thinking where it is not enough for my side to be great... everyone else has to be proven to be rubbish too.

    For a while the open thinking of America attracted the best and the brightest the world had to offer... but now it seems it is just money that draws talent there.

    The US has had its own way for many years through fair means and fowl and the system it has created around itself is failing. They might smash it down and rebuild it, but I have no confidence they will rebuild it into anything that could be remotely considered fair... it will be a biased once sided system that benefits the already rich and the already powerful and ultimately themselves. When you only reward your own success then the 99% will find they have no future and therefore no real alternative.

    The huge irony is the proliferation of Zombie movies and TV shows... the unwashed masses with the smaller and smaller group of "civilised humans just fighting to survive".

    In fact I saw the perfect TV show a year or so back where a plague or something wipes out a huge percentage of the population and the rest have to fight it out... based on a US Navy warship of course...

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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  cracker on Sat Jul 30, 2016 1:49 am

    not sure where to post it, but it's just one clear example of typical western arrogance and pure ignorance (here, precisely american). Just read the thread and appreciate the confusion, sheer ignorance and stupidity and delusion of these fools. Just a drop in the ocean of crap, just one more evidence. 12 years old discussion... Yep, they were as stupid back then as they are now, nothing changes.

    http://www.derelictstudios.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=7983
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  higurashihougi on Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:37 am

    Will there be Captain Soviet or Red Star lol1 lol1

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    Pentagon Claims Russia Creating Bionic Superhuman Soldiers With Brain Implants
    Turns out that the Pentagon appears to be speaking about programs they have sanctioned under DARPA in addition to similar efforts by the British military which have pretty close to nothing to do with Russia.
    Top American military officials claim that Moscow is working to create “enhanced human operations” technology they say "scares the crap" out of them with the specter of stronger, faster, and more deadly super soldiers on the horizon according to the latest musings from the Pentagon.
    In the bid to develop a superior fighting force, most countries are looking to weapons based around robotics, lasers and exoskeletons to create a real-life Iron Man, but the US military officials, perhaps in a bout of propaganda, suggest that Russia is focused on also augmenting human biology – think more X-Men than Iron Man – in order to create the most deadly fighting force in the world.
    "Our adversaries, quite frankly, are pursuing enhanced human operations and it scares the crap out of us," said US Deputy Secretary of Defense Bob Work.
    While some of this purported human biological enhancements come by means of drugs and steroids according to US defense officials in order to make soldiers tougher on the battlefield and able to traverse longer distances at faster speeds, the Pentagon has a strange fascination with the outlandish claim that Russia is using brain implants embedded into soldiers’ heads to make them follow orders.
    They also fathom that microscopic technology could be implanted into soldiers for more benign purposes such as enhancing the body’s wound healing capabilities without the need of a medic or bionics to allow men to control machine or extensive prosthetics with their minds.
    If this sounds crazy and like it would dehumanize the Russian soldiers in the minds of an unsuspecting American public then perhaps the Pentagon has accomplished its feat. The US, whose secret science DARPA division is already exploring this precise technology claims that they "are uncomfortable" using such technology in the words of Undersecretary Bob Work.
    Similarly, the British Ministry of Defense is exploring the feasibility of such super soldier technology in the next 30 years according to confidential papers made public in 2013 including augmented bodies and signaling to an electronic chip in soldiers’ brains to ensure that they follow orders.
    In fact, it seems like there is a wealth of evidence that the United States and Britain are both engaged in exactly the same unethical and deeply disquieting programs that they allege that Russia is exploring despite providing absolutely no evidence of these claims.

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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  andalusia on Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:03 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Garry thank you. Your responses sound well informed and intelligent.  You respond with good logic and reasoning.  I think we Americans know little about Russia and listen to a lot of propaganda.  I think Americans underestimate Russian capabilities.

    The really sad thing is that stupidity is contagious and after discussing such topics with those who believe western propganda I find myself putting down western achievements for the sake of putting them in a better context in comparison with Russia.

    The Americans put men on the moon and that was a fantastic achievement... but the fanbois claiming US superiority in everything demanding that is further proof that the US is superior to Russia leads me to point out that a few minor changes and it could all have turned out very differently for both sides.

    I fall in to their pattern of thinking where it is not enough for my side to be great... everyone else has to be proven to be rubbish too.

    For a while the open thinking of America attracted the best and the brightest the world had to offer... but now it seems it is just money that draws talent there.

    The US has had its own way for many years through fair means and fowl and the system it has created around itself is failing. They might smash it down and rebuild it, but I have no confidence they will rebuild it into anything that could be remotely considered fair... it will be a biased once sided system that benefits the already rich and the already powerful and ultimately themselves. When you only reward your own success then the 99% will find they have no future and therefore no real alternative.

    The huge irony is the proliferation of Zombie movies and TV shows... the unwashed masses with the smaller and smaller group of "civilised humans just fighting to survive".

    In fact I saw the perfect TV show a year or so back where a plague or something wipes out a huge percentage of the population and the rest have to fight it out... based on a US Navy warship of course...

    What do you guys think of this: http://nationalinterest.org/feature/5-us-weapons-war-russia-should-fear-12026

    Does Russia have Hypersonic missiles? http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/new-report-details-why-russia-fears-americas-future-17328
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:30 pm

    Does Russia have Hypersonic missiles?

    ICBMs and SLBMs and even some of their SAMs are hypersonic.

    The S-300PMU1 can engage targets flying at 2.8km/s and S-400 expands that beyond 4.8km/s... S-500 can engage targets moving at 7km/s... exactly what does Russia have to be afraid of?

    What do you guys think of this

    Ohio, B-2, F-22, BMD, US allies...

    Yeah... funny there is no mention of the most expensive military programme on the planet... F-35?

    Ohio will only be a problem in WWIII so it is no more a problem for Russia as the Boreis and Deltas are for the US.

    The B-2 for all its cost and expense is no more effective than the Tu-160 with its 5,000km range stand off cruise missiles.

    The F-22... there are less than 190 of them they will likely remain in the US... they took them away from Syria pretty quickly... suggests they have no confidence in them with S-400s there.

    BMD is actually more dangerous to the US than to Russia... it will lead to the tearing up of New Start and likely the INF treaty as well and Russia will just make lots of IRBMs which will make any ABM systems ineffective.

    And regarding US allies... they way the US uses and abuses them they really only hang on for the handouts and breadcrumbs... how many will put their hand up for a real war with Russia?

    The new allies like Poland and the Ukraine probably will but how much help will they be?

    Old allies wont be that stupid.

    It would actually be hard to put together a list that the US should fear... SU-35s with Photonic radars fitted in the next decade, Zircon hypersonic anti ship missiles, PAK FA, Armata, Kornet, New generation ICBMs on road, in silos, on rails, and new SLBMs under the water... and the fact that the US has pretty much screwed most countries of the world and they are likely now looking for a country that means what it says and wont drop you in a heartbeat if it suits your interests to do so...
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  George1 on Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:55 pm

    German Tabloid Bild Excludes Russia From Olympic Results Rally lol!



    http://sputniknews.com/sport/20160822/1044519087/russia-olympic-results.html
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  kvs on Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:18 pm

    George1 wrote:German Tabloid Bild Excludes Russia From Olympic Results Rally lol!



    http://sputniknews.com/sport/20160822/1044519087/russia-olympic-results.html

    Bild is also the biggest fan of Daesh. In other words a freak show that is considered a mainstream
    media source in Germany. Jihadi Julian and this joke omission are not something Germany should
    feel proud of.
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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:28 am

    It isn't considered a mainstream media it is the most consumed propaganda of US here in germany.

    Anti-German to the core.

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    Was Soviet Union trying to take over the World?

    Post  andalusia on Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:38 pm

    I heard a lot of Americans always referring to the Soviet Union trying to take over the world during the Cold War for Communism.  I want to know was this true? Was it propaganda?  There is a saying that American soldiers sacrifice by defending the freedom of people worldwide; do you guys believe in that?  They say that American troops defend Americans freedoms.  People here believe that as a religion.  Was the USSR planning to take away American freedoms during the Cold War?  

    http://tvnewslies.org/tvnl/index.php/editorial/jesse-richards-commentary/20246-our-troops-do-not-protect-our-freedom-and-we-should-stop-thanking-them-for-doing-so.html

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    Religion in Russia

    Post  andalusia on Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:46 pm

    I heard my pastor a couple of weeks ago said Putin banned Christians from sharing their faith in Russia.  Why would Putin do this?

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2016/june/no-evangelizing-outside-of-church-russia-proposes.html

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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:17 am

    Yes, it was true in the sense that the Soviet Union wanted to impose its political, economical and cultural regime over the entire world. It even got at odds with other Marxist countries that didn't follow the exact Soviet rules, like China, Albania and (to a lesser extent) Yugoslavia.
    What is also true, on the other hand, is that the US was trying to do exactly the same: impose its political, economical and cultural regime over the entire world. Now, 25 years after the end of the Soviet Union, Russia is a pragmatical country which tries to have normal and mutually beneficial relations with other states, respecting their sovereignity, while the US is still playing the old game: trying to impose its political, economical and cultural regime over the entire world.

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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:20 am

    Most likely it is an anti-sect law. Russia is suspicious of non-Orthodox denominations, but mainly Evangelical ones. Restrictions against these denominations started much before Putin, during Yeltsin's government.
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:49 am

    Russia is an eastern orthodoxy nation where even Putin visits Church regularly. The issue is various sects like JW's which are frowned upon. It is illegal to also take pictures inside a church or mosque or any religious site. It is also illegal to actually cause any forms of sacrilege towards the Church in Russia. Many other sects like Catholicism is against Orthodoxy and likes to bad mouth him. Predominantly through Poland.
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    Post  kvs on Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:10 am

    They are suspicious of US Trojan horse evangelical outfits. There is no ban on Roman Catholics.

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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:56 am

    sepheronx wrote:Many other sects like Catholicism is against Orthodoxy and likes to bad mouth him.  Predominantly through Poland.
    Don't take some Polish freaks for the entire Catholic people. The great majority is sympathetic towards Orthodoxy. And not all Poles are russophobes, for example John Paul II wasn't (though for obvious reason he was strongly anti-Communist, but that is another thing completely different).


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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:57 am

    It's anti-cult law.

    Update your pastor on MSM nonsense that get aired.

    I assume he just read the article and bought it hook, line and sinker.
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:09 am

    Svyatoslavich wrote:Most likely it is an anti-sect law. Russia is suspicious of non-Orthodox denominations, but mainly Evangelical ones. Restrictions against these denominations started much before Putin, during Yeltsin's government.

    Well here in America, the Evangelical mega churches are nothing more than tax-free money making scams at the top, while Evangelicals near the bottom of the totem are constantly intertwined in gay prostitution rings, underage call boy rings, child pornography rings...there's scandals such as this that are routinely uncovered just about every 6 months for the past 15 years. A decade ago those scandals would make national news, but now they're buried on the 5th or 6th page of the local newspaper.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:16 am

    Svyatoslavich wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Many other sects like Catholicism is against Orthodoxy and likes to bad mouth him.  Predominantly through Poland.
    Don't take some Polish freaks for the entire Catholic people. The great majority is sympathetic towards Orthodoxy. And not all Poles are russophobes, for example John Paul II wasn't (though for obvious reason he was strongly anti-Communist, but that is another thing completely different).

    Sorry, but the Vatican has to answer for it's widespread pedophilia. Your boy John Paul II was exposed for protecting widespread child molestation networks...While the Vatican is molesting children, Orthodox/Coptic practitioners are fighting off the Wahabbist/Salafist extremist hordes that threaten to invade Europe.
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  Khepesh on Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:57 am

    So, a Russophobic American religious site uses as their "evidence" a Russophobic anti Russian propaganda site, Forum18, who as "evidence" quote their own articles. Probably not polite to notice people eating each others shit.....
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:14 am

    I heard a lot of Americans always referring to the Soviet Union trying to take over the world during the Cold War for Communism. I want to know was this true? Was it propaganda?

    The soviet union was never in a position to "take over the world".

    The US did more to take control of the world...

    There is a saying that American soldiers sacrifice by defending the freedom of people worldwide; do you guys believe in that? They say that American troops defend Americans freedoms. People here believe that as a religion. Was the USSR planning to take away American freedoms during the Cold War?

    America only sent in their troops when it was in their interests, and their interests often had more to do with mineral wealth or economics than any freedoms.

    American troops didn't even defend American freedoms for Americans... ask the black people... or the 99% who are not embarrassingly wealthy... you know... the 60-70% who work for a living.

    Yes, it was true in the sense that the Soviet Union wanted to impose its political, economical and cultural regime over the entire world.

    Russia has been the victim of western aggression for more than 3 hundred years and this has nothing to do with communism and everything to do with colonialism.

    Of course where it had the power the Soviets installed friendly to them governments... eastern europe, Afghanistan etc etc, but the US does that in peacetime now undermining their own democratic values by promoting often violent coloured revolutions that end in death and chaos so they can send in oil company representatives and infrastructure manufacturers to clean up and to clean up in concrete and financial terms.

    It even got at odds with other Marxist countries that didn't follow the exact Soviet rules, like China, Albania and (to a lesser extent) Yugoslavia.

    The Soviet Union was a bullied kid with few friends that all the rich kids picked on and would play games with by getting them into fights with other children... divide and conquer.

    It is a bit rich claiming the Soviet Union wanted to take over the world considering the US foreign policy... they called the 20th century the American century... how arrogant is that?

    Even more so considering the size of the British empire for much of the last century or two...

    Now, 25 years after the end of the Soviet Union, Russia is a pragmatical country which tries to have normal and mutually beneficial relations with other states, respecting their sovereignity, while the US is still playing the old game: trying to impose its political, economical and cultural regime over the entire world.

    Agree with this... for the last few decades the US has lost its way and clearly believes its own propaganda.

    Check out my signature...
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  George1 on Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:25 pm

    That was Reagan's propaganda in 80s lol! USSR seek a global communist state

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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  andalusia on Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:43 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    I heard a lot of Americans always referring to the Soviet Union trying to take over the world during the Cold War for Communism.  I want to know was this true? Was it propaganda?

    The soviet union was never in a position to "take over the world".

    The US did more to take control of the world...

    There is a saying that American soldiers sacrifice by defending the freedom of people worldwide; do you guys believe in that?  They say that American troops defend Americans freedoms.  People here believe that as a religion.  Was the USSR planning to take away American freedoms during the Cold War?  

    America only sent in their troops when it was in their interests, and their interests often had more to do with mineral wealth or economics than any freedoms.



    American troops didn't even defend American freedoms for Americans... ask the black people... or the 99% who are not embarrassingly wealthy... you know... the 60-70% who work for a living.



    Yes, it was true in the sense that the Soviet Union wanted to impose its political, economical and cultural regime over the entire world.

    Russia has been the victim of western aggression for more than 3 hundred years and this has nothing to do with communism and everything to do with colonialism.

    Of course where it had the power the Soviets installed friendly to them governments... eastern europe, Afghanistan etc etc, but the US does that in peacetime now undermining their own democratic values by promoting often violent coloured revolutions that end in death and chaos so they can send in oil company representatives and infrastructure manufacturers to clean up and to clean up in concrete and financial terms.

    It even got at odds with other Marxist countries that didn't follow the exact Soviet rules, like China, Albania and (to a lesser extent) Yugoslavia.

    The Soviet Union was a bullied kid with few friends that all the rich kids picked on and would play games with by getting them into fights with other children... divide and conquer.

    It is a bit rich claiming the Soviet Union wanted to take over the world considering the US foreign policy... they called the 20th century the American century... how arrogant is that?

    Even more so considering the size of the British empire for much of the last century or two...

    Now, 25 years after the end of the Soviet Union, Russia is a pragmatical country which tries to have normal and mutually beneficial relations with other states, respecting their sovereignity, while the US is still playing the old game: trying to impose its political, economical and cultural regime over the entire world.

    Agree with this... for the last few decades the US has lost its way and clearly believes its own propaganda.

    Check out my signature...

    American propaganda says their freedoms are responsible because the troops are serving in the military and fighting and dieing overseas in wars. I don't see the connection. I just wonder do others around the world feel the same as Americans?

    Hey Garry B:  
    Many blacks would have no problem signing up to fight a war against Russia.

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