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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jun 04, 2016 5:09 pm

    GarryB i do admire your patience, i hope it is just a matter of years spend on this planet but i have not found the patiency yet to stay that calm at this pyramid of retardation to even consider to reply to it.
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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:27 pm

    So there are apparently trolls going on in 4chan pol section flooding the forum with these kind of threads:


    And I have to say, it is a load of crap. Many other Russians have called them out on it and even Ukrainians and other nationalities. Their claims are:
    - Evil Putin created law for FSB to kill civilians
    - Because USD value is so high it is destroying country
    - oil prices are low
    - Poor Khodorkovsky is being threatened again
    - evil Putin is making lies about immigration system
    - Russians claim that inflation is double (so higher than 16%)

    There are others, but it is pathetic really. They claimed that 8chan was banned in Russia but as one guy pointed out, no nationality flags are used on 8chan so it isn't so easy to track people thus he called them out, and the fact that the Russian variant of 4chan 2ch, kicked them out.

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    Post  andalusia on Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:45 pm

    Garry thank you. Your responses sound well informed and intelligent.  You respond with good logic and reasoning.  I think we Americans know little about Russia and listen to a lot of propaganda.  I think Americans underestimate Russian capabilities.  It is good to know the other side's point of view.  It is the primary reason why I joined this site; to interact with people and exchange, debate and read other ways of thinking and understanding different worldviews from my own.  Would love to understand the Soviet point of view of the Korean War.

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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  Project Canada on Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:49 pm

    sepheronx wrote:So there are apparently trolls going on in 4chan pol section flooding the forum with these kind of threads:


    And I have to say, it is a load of crap.  Many other Russians have called them out on it and even Ukrainians and other nationalities.  Their claims are:
    - Evil Putin created law for FSB to kill civilians
    - Because USD value is so high it is destroying country
    - oil prices are low
    - Poor Khodorkovsky is being threatened again
    - evil Putin is making lies about immigration system
    - Russians claim that inflation is double (so higher than 16%)

    There are others, but it is pathetic really.  They claimed that 8chan was banned in Russia but as one guy pointed out, no nationality flags are used on 8chan so it isn't so easy to track people thus he called them out, and the fact that the Russian variant of 4chan 2ch, kicked them out.

    Perhaps this is the intensified counter propaganda Nuland was talking about recently Laughing





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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:41 pm

    Would love to understand the Soviet point of view of the Korean War.

    Actually you might be surprised... Korea and Cuba and Vietnam are all related... your US history will tell you it was all about communism, but that would be wrong.

    Korea was an occupied country just like Vietnam and Cuba... for a lot of their recent history Korea was occupied by Japan and the Korean war was an attempt to unify the country. In Vietnam, again it was a foreign power that occupied the country... in this case France. In Cuba the occupation was less obvious but when Cubans could only get jobs in white owned sugar plantations or as cabana boys in hotels owned by the US based mob where most of the tourists went for gambling purposes then things had to change as far as the locals in each case was concerned.

    If the US had offered military assistance to reunite Korea and to kick the french out of what they called indochina, and to deal with the mob and the one percenters that owned almost everything in cuba history could have been very different.


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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:34 pm

    Project Canada wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:So there are apparently trolls going on in 4chan pol section flooding the forum with these kind of threads:


    And I have to say, it is a load of crap.  Many other Russians have called them out on it and even Ukrainians and other nationalities.  Their claims are:
    - Evil Putin created law for FSB to kill civilians
    - Because USD value is so high it is destroying country
    - oil prices are low
    - Poor Khodorkovsky is being threatened again
    - evil Putin is making lies about immigration system
    - Russians claim that inflation is double (so higher than 16%)

    There are others, but it is pathetic really.  They claimed that 8chan was banned in Russia but as one guy pointed out, no nationality flags are used on 8chan so it isn't so easy to track people thus he called them out, and the fact that the Russian variant of 4chan 2ch, kicked them out.

    Perhaps this is the intensified counter propaganda Nuland was talking about recently Laughing






    They have flooded /pol/ with a large amount of new threads on exact same (copy paste). Some are claiming to be Siberian that they want separation. I called them out to prove they are but won't do so. I counter argue, they just call one a pootin bot, kremlinbot, or everything else. # of other Russians and Ukrainians calling them out on their bullshit has also increased too.

    So according to other Russians and Co, these same people were kicked off of 2ch and /int/ since constant trolling. They are much hated.
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  Kriva on Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:43 am

    and I was wondering where that person went Laughing

    It's not a secret that Poles have a hard on everything US related.

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    Post  wilhelm on Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:53 pm

    Unfortunately, Tanknet has become better known in recent years as a cesspit of xenophobia and racism. It has been sliding downwards for a couple of years already.
    It used to be very informative, but there are a bunch of posters pushing an unrelenting campaign of hatred against who they hate, and the mods simply let them do it.

    You used to be able to get proper information from the site a few years ago, but that has dried up. For example, when I last visited, I noted some questions and speculations about a very unique armoured vehicle. The speculation was based on people guessing, or ignorance due to not knowing anything about the vehicles, as many decent knowledgable posters no longer bother posting there due to the sustained hate campaign.
    Having information and the backround to the 2 prototype vehicles, I was intending to correct the incorrect speculation, but all I had to do was click open yet another anti-Russian thread (one of about 10 ongoing ones), and I decided not to. The information I had was not in the public domain...one day I will share it, but not there.

    This is Tanknets loss.....they are welcome to deteriorate into further ill-informed guesswork.

    There are 3 or 4 posters in particular who follow a rabid anti Russian campaign: Swerve, Stuart Galbraith, Gregory, and Damian.
    They make no bones about their hatred for Russia or anything Russian. Swerve and Stuart Galbraith in particular have devoted thousands of posts delivering their anti-Russian hate message. Swerve has tried to chase the last remaining Russian poster off that forum.

    And just a heads-up: Stuart Galbraith reads this forum.

    After many of the good posters have left or got tired of the hate, he has taken it upon himself to cherrypick stuff from this forum, RussianDefence, and present what he thinks will further his "message" over there. He doesn't speak Russian, and hates Russia, but has tried to set himself up as the resident Russia "expert", all the while delivering his poisonous message. He mentions that he gets "info" and pictures from here. I expect one day he will try join to ask questions so he can further refine and deliver his "message" of hate, and I will be here to harrass him and point out and remind him of his hatred and why he would be totally unwelcome. Just like I did to that other spacker from MilPhotos, DForce.

    Tanknet is a hollow shell of what it used to be...it's not even informative anymore. I've not bothered to go back there in ages.
    I politely asked the mods why such a sustained campaign of hatred was allowed, and pointed out that it would lead to the derioration of the site as more knowledgable posters would leave. I got a week suspension, whilst Swerve, Stuart Glabraith, Gregory and Damian were allowed to continue with their xenophobic and basically racist message.

    News about armoured vehicle developments are more recently only making it there weeks, somethimes months after they happen. And in many cases, not at all.

    It is a complete waste of time....you don't really learn anything from there anymore once the decent posters decided to leave.


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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:12 pm

    cracker wrote:Also if you talk about our disput for Zaolzie region with Czech Republic, we solved that problem with them, and we appologized, as civilized people do, something Russians are unable to do it seems, because you never appologize, never say "yeah we done some bad things, we appologize". And this is now disgusting!"

    So Germany and Poland, together, invaded Czechoslovakia starting World War 2, but Poland apologised.
    Great stuff. unshaven
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:47 pm

    wilhelm wrote:Unfortunately, Tanknet has become better known in recent years as a cesspit of xenophobia and racism. It has been sliding downwards for a couple of years already.
    It used to be very informative, but there are a bunch of posters pushing an unrelenting campaign of hatred against who they hate, and the mods simply let them do it.

    You used to be able to get proper information from the site a few years ago, but that has dried up. For example, when I last visited, I noted some questions and speculations about a very unique armoured vehicle. The speculation was based on people guessing, or ignorance due to not knowing anything about the vehicles, as many decent knowledgable posters no longer bother posting there due to the sustained hate campaign.
    Having information and the backround to the 2 prototype vehicles, I was intending to correct the incorrect speculation, but all I had to do was click open yet another anti-Russian thread (one of about 10 ongoing ones), and I decided not to. The information I had was not in the public domain...one day I will share it, but not there.

    This is Tanknets loss.....they are welcome to deteriorate into further ill-informed guesswork.

    There are 3 or 4 posters in particular who follow a rabid anti Russian campaign: Swerve, Stuart Galbraith, Gregory, and Damian.
    They make no bones about their hatred for Russia or anything Russian. Swerve and Stuart Galbraith in particular have devoted thousands of posts delivering their anti-Russian hate message. Swerve has tried to chase the last remaining Russian poster off that forum.

    And just a heads-up: Stuart Galbraith reads this forum.

    After many of the good posters have left or got tired of the hate, he has taken it upon himself to cherrypick stuff from this forum, RussianDefence, and present what he thinks will further his "message" over there. He doesn't speak Russian, and hates Russia, but has tried to set himself up as the resident Russia "expert", all the while delivering his poisonous message. He mentions that he gets "info" and pictures from here. I expect one day he will try join to ask questions so he can further refine and deliver his "message" of hate, and I will be here to harrass him and point out and remind him of his hatred and why he would be totally unwelcome. Just like I did to that other spacker from MilPhotos, DForce.

    Tanknet is a hollow shell of what it used to be...it's not even informative anymore. I've not bothered to go back there in ages.
    I politely asked the mods why such a sustained campaign of hatred was allowed, and pointed out that it would lead to the derioration of the site as more knowledgable posters would leave. I got a week suspension, whilst Swerve, Stuart Glabraith, Gregory and Damian were allowed to continue with their xenophobic and basically racist message.

    News about armoured vehicle developments are more recently only making it there weeks, somethimes months after they happen. And in many cases, not at all.

    It is a complete waste of time....you don't really learn anything from there anymore once the decent posters decided to leave.

    Not to mention there is malware on the side besides the horseshit russophobic campaigners.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:04 am

    Kriva wrote:and I was wondering where that person went Laughing

    It's not a secret that Poles have a hard on everything US related.

    not all, however in official mainstraem-mendia you can hear only those


    KiloGolf wrote:
    cracker wrote:Also if you talk about our disput for Zaolzie region with Czech Republic, we solved that problem with them, and we appologized, as civilized people do, something Russians are unable to do it seems, because you never appologize, never say "yeah we done some bad things, we appologize". And this is now disgusting!"

    So Germany and Poland, together, invaded Czechoslovakia starting World War 2, but Poland apologised.
    Great stuff. unshaven

    apologised for same thing USSR did in 39? but USSR neve licked Hitler´s ass crack... that was disgusting to me.
    Poland never did apologise or even admit genocide of Soviet POWs in 1920s...

    nad yes I am Polish...who´s family was rescued by Red Army...some also from Auschwitz
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    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:39 pm

    The West backstabbed Poland in 193x. They promised that they would protect Poland, but they let Germany invaded Poland.

    The West backstabbed Czechoslovakia and they did nothing when Hitler absorbed Austria.

    And I did not see any Western goverment apologized for that.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:02 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:The West backstabbed Poland in 193x. They promised that they would protect Poland, but they let Germany invaded Poland.

    The West backstabbed Czechoslovakia and they did nothing when Hitler absorbed Austria.

    And I did not see any Western goverment apologized for that.

    They did not becuase then thye had to admin rhe reaso they breeded Hitler& horde. To conquer Russia.
    They neven apologise EE colonies are to accept Western moral superiority Very Happy
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    Post  Khepesh on Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:18 pm

    Rarely look at tank-net, a year, maybe more I think, but I try now and red screen warning site is dangerous....
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  Acheron on Thu Jul 14, 2016 3:07 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Rarely look at tank-net, a year, maybe more I think, but I try now and red screen warning site is dangerous....    

    Yeah, I am in the same boat. I used to visit the tanknet AFV sub-forum to learn about AFVs once in a while but I noticed it getting progressively less active and less informative (more speculative and biased) since about a year or so ago. These days Chrome is giving me a phishing warning about the site so I just stay away. There are other places to discuss AFVs, so no big loss.
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 on Thu Jul 14, 2016 4:50 pm

    Acheron wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:Rarely look at tank-net, a year, maybe more I think, but I try now and red screen warning site is dangerous....    

    Yeah, I am in the same boat. I used to visit the tanknet AFV sub-forum to learn about AFVs once in a while but I noticed it getting progressively less active and less informative (more speculative and biased) since about a year or so ago. These days Chrome is giving me a phishing warning about the site so I just stay away. There are other places to discuss AFVs, so no big loss.

    I am only using public library-PCs to visit the site.

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    Post  wilhelm on Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:34 pm

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

    I am only using public library-PCs to visit the site.

    Even ignoring the malware warnings visiting the site gives, why bother?

    The last time I bothered about half a year ago ago the actual level of information and news was low. The actual AFV side of the forum is basically dead.
    All you have left is a hollow shell, with outright racists and xenophobes such as Stuart Galbraith, Swerve, Damian, Gregory, and a few other scum taking over and pushing a message of hate. They've been allowed to completely drive the site down into the toilet with their unrelenting racist campaign of hatred.

    Half a year ago already the post count was low, the information side was low, and all that really gets posted is hatred by the gang. I haven't been back since, even though I was a member for 10 years, and there are quite a lot of other knowledgable posters who voted with their feet by leaving when it was clear what was happening.
    And the moderator Jeff let them do it. When I politely brought up the deterioration of the site, I got a week ban. When the last remaining Russian poster tried to counter some of the hate, the mod actually attacked him and accused him of spreading propaganda. Some posters opened a thread to ask why the site was dying, but there was zero honesty in it.

    You didn't actually learn anything from there toward the end. It was a complete waste of time in the last year or so, and had become little more than just another hate site.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:24 pm

    wilhelm wrote:The last time I bothered about half a year ago ago the actual level of information and news was low. The actual AFV side of the forum is basically dead.
    All you have left is a hollow shell, with outright racists and xenophobes such as Stuart Galbraith, Swerve, Damian, Gregory, and a few other scum taking over and pushing a message of hate. They've been allowed to completely drive the site down into the toilet with their unrelenting racist campaign of hatred.

    You didn't actually learn anything from there toward the end. It was a complete waste of time in the last year or so, and had become little more than just another hate site.


    well if you hate other skin colors you´re a racist scumbag, if you hate Jews you´re an antisemite f@ckup and if you hate Russians you´re then a morally superior westerner lowing rule of law and democracy.... that´s why no court ever closes such site because of hate speech...
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  ExBeobachter1987 on Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:52 pm

    wilhelm wrote:
    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

    I am only using public library-PCs to visit the site.

    ven ignoring the malware warnings visiting the site gives, why bother?

    The last time I bothered about half a year ago ago the actual level of information and news was low. The actual AFV side of the forum is basically dead.
    All you have left is a hollow shell, with outright racists and xenophobes such as Stuart Galbraith, Swerve, Damian, Gregory, and a few other scum taking over and pushing a message of hate.

    Roman Alymov is still posting there.
    I ignore most of the others, especially the last three members you mentioned.
    Stuart is just an arrogant Brit.

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    Post  SturmGuard on Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:25 am

    I used to visit the site much more frequently. Still do, if only to browse the most interesting AFV threads.

    The current condition is a reminder to everyone, what censorship and single-mindedness leads to. The current events part is toxic.

    The delusional and ignorant fucktards posting there simply don't have anyone to call them out on the nonsense they spout. You have western Europeans posing as experts on eastern European and Balkan history, you have mongrels writing about "Russian nationalist" Bolsheviks, Soviets, Putin, Stalin. It is really that stupid.


    With no one to ridicule them, disprove their unfounded claims and post primary historical evidence, they sink ever deeper, becoming more convinced.

    Which is why it is important to preserve discussion and pluralism, high number of contributors, on this forum, in my opinion.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:14 pm

    Former NATO Chief: Russia to Invade Poland, Start World War III ‘Overnight’


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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:12 pm

    Older but good article that talks about how CIA uses media for propaganda: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-28/top-german-journalist-admits-mainstream-media-completely-fake-we-all-lie-cia
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    Re: Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia:

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:25 am

    Garry thank you. Your responses sound well informed and intelligent. You respond with good logic and reasoning. I think we Americans know little about Russia and listen to a lot of propaganda. I think Americans underestimate Russian capabilities.

    The really sad thing is that stupidity is contagious and after discussing such topics with those who believe western propganda I find myself putting down western achievements for the sake of putting them in a better context in comparison with Russia.

    The Americans put men on the moon and that was a fantastic achievement... but the fanbois claiming US superiority in everything demanding that is further proof that the US is superior to Russia leads me to point out that a few minor changes and it could all have turned out very differently for both sides.

    I fall in to their pattern of thinking where it is not enough for my side to be great... everyone else has to be proven to be rubbish too.

    For a while the open thinking of America attracted the best and the brightest the world had to offer... but now it seems it is just money that draws talent there.

    The US has had its own way for many years through fair means and fowl and the system it has created around itself is failing. They might smash it down and rebuild it, but I have no confidence they will rebuild it into anything that could be remotely considered fair... it will be a biased once sided system that benefits the already rich and the already powerful and ultimately themselves. When you only reward your own success then the 99% will find they have no future and therefore no real alternative.

    The huge irony is the proliferation of Zombie movies and TV shows... the unwashed masses with the smaller and smaller group of "civilised humans just fighting to survive".

    In fact I saw the perfect TV show a year or so back where a plague or something wipes out a huge percentage of the population and the rest have to fight it out... based on a US Navy warship of course...


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    Post  cracker on Sat Jul 30, 2016 1:49 am

    not sure where to post it, but it's just one clear example of typical western arrogance and pure ignorance (here, precisely american). Just read the thread and appreciate the confusion, sheer ignorance and stupidity and delusion of these fools. Just a drop in the ocean of crap, just one more evidence. 12 years old discussion... Yep, they were as stupid back then as they are now, nothing changes.

    http://www.derelictstudios.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=7983
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    Post  higurashihougi on Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:37 am

    Will there be Captain Soviet or Red Star lol1 lol1

    https://www.facebook.com/Russ.army/photos/a.177627672259371.34749.175953525760119/1176364452385683/?type=3

    Pentagon Claims Russia Creating Bionic Superhuman Soldiers With Brain Implants
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    In the bid to develop a superior fighting force, most countries are looking to weapons based around robotics, lasers and exoskeletons to create a real-life Iron Man, but the US military officials, perhaps in a bout of propaganda, suggest that Russia is focused on also augmenting human biology – think more X-Men than Iron Man – in order to create the most deadly fighting force in the world.
    "Our adversaries, quite frankly, are pursuing enhanced human operations and it scares the crap out of us," said US Deputy Secretary of Defense Bob Work.
    While some of this purported human biological enhancements come by means of drugs and steroids according to US defense officials in order to make soldiers tougher on the battlefield and able to traverse longer distances at faster speeds, the Pentagon has a strange fascination with the outlandish claim that Russia is using brain implants embedded into soldiers’ heads to make them follow orders.
    They also fathom that microscopic technology could be implanted into soldiers for more benign purposes such as enhancing the body’s wound healing capabilities without the need of a medic or bionics to allow men to control machine or extensive prosthetics with their minds.
    If this sounds crazy and like it would dehumanize the Russian soldiers in the minds of an unsuspecting American public then perhaps the Pentagon has accomplished its feat. The US, whose secret science DARPA division is already exploring this precise technology claims that they "are uncomfortable" using such technology in the words of Undersecretary Bob Work.
    Similarly, the British Ministry of Defense is exploring the feasibility of such super soldier technology in the next 30 years according to confidential papers made public in 2013 including augmented bodies and signaling to an electronic chip in soldiers’ brains to ensure that they follow orders.
    In fact, it seems like there is a wealth of evidence that the United States and Britain are both engaged in exactly the same unethical and deeply disquieting programs that they allege that Russia is exploring despite providing absolutely no evidence of these claims.

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