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    Post  Werewolf on Sun May 24, 2015 9:08 pm

    Apropos gaytrash methods of political abuse.

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    This video is banned in germany via GEMA which is nothing else today but a political tool to ban videos for german IP's despite they have no ownership of the music, this shit censorship private company that is unconstitunional because they are registered as a non profit organisation but make hundred millions each year, have no other purpose but blocking content because of political reasons like they blocked several videos of News ANNA or last year on MAIDAN blocked RT videos.

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    Post  whir on Sun May 24, 2015 9:47 pm

    Kimppis wrote:Is Lithuania the most russophobe place on Earth? 0 points for Russia! That was fucking ridiculous. Very Happy Not politicized at all. Fucking assholes..
    It was the jury's fault, take a look.
    Eurovision wrote:In accordance with the Rules of the 2015 Eurovision Song Contest, Lithuania voted with 50% televoting and 50% jury voting

    Detailed Results

    Televoting rank -> Estonia 1, Latvia 2, Russia 3

    Jury
    A - Lauras Luciunas (music producer) - Russia 26
    B - Jolita Vaitkeviciene (choir Conductor) - Russia 13
    C - Jurga Cekatauskaite (journalist) - Russia 26
    D - Jurgis Bruzga (singer) - Russia 19
    E - Rosita Civilyte (singer) - Russia 10

    Combined -> Russia 11 = 0 points


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    Post  Regular on Sun May 24, 2015 11:58 pm

    Well Lithuanian jury didn't give points to Russia because of politics (Russian singer singing about peace and etc,) Televoters didn't give a crap and voted and gave predictable votes. Estonia, Latvia and Russia were top 3. Do these countries deserve them points. Hell should I know, all contest was so bland. People just vote for neighbors. Russia has plenty of them. Even Georgia gave Russia quite good score.
    But anyway I was watching Eurovision with MUTE ON and Iron maiden was playing in the background. This contest is so crap:D

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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Mon May 25, 2015 12:10 am

    Didn't Eurovision introduce this "jury" system after Russia won the contest in 2008? Up until then the winner of Eurovision was decided with a direct vote of citizens of countries who participate in the Eurovision. But after Russia won the current jury system was taken in place of direct vote.

    I guess they made this change to prevent Russia from winning to contest again. With these "juries" they can make sure that only the "correct" nations win the contest.
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    Post  Regular on Mon May 25, 2015 2:59 am

    It's more to do with Balkans voting for each other. It was Balkanovision before.
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    Post  max steel on Mon May 25, 2015 4:01 am

    Thank f-ing God russia didn't win ‪#‎ESC2015‬ and have to host that freakshow/LGBT pageant in Moscow next year. Whew! Way too close for comfort...


    Bearded weirdos, gays kissing on stage, PT Barnum would have loved it . Shame Ukraine didn't get through......Topless femen sluts with swastika armbands would have put the icing on the cake!

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    Post  whir on Mon May 25, 2015 3:05 pm

    max steel wrote:Thank f-ing God russia didn't win ‪#‎ESC2015‬ and have to host that freakshow/LGBT pageant in Moscow next year. Whew! Way too close for comfort...

    Bearded weirdos, gays kissing on stage, PT Barnum would have loved it . Shame Ukraine didn't get through......Topless femen sluts with swastika armbands would have put the icing on the cake!
    In 2003 EBU prohibited T.aT.u. to kiss on stage after complains from several countries, with Ireland among them that gave the victory to Turkey in the last moment after switching to the backup jury for technical reasons.

    Moscow 2009 First Semifinal Interval Act (Alexandrov Ensemble + T.aT.u. + inflatable pink T-72) russia


    Ukraine didn't want to participate this year for economic reasons Rolling Eyes.

    Another fun fact: Ukrainian Anastasia Prikhodko represented Russia in 2009 after being chosen by Russian viewers and jury. Last summer Anastasia Prikhodko and Ukraine 2014 Zlata Ognevich (current Radical Party MP) raised money for 72nd Guards Mechanized Brigade.
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    non sense on Russia

    Post  collegeboy16 on Mon May 25, 2015 5:40 pm

    whir wrote:
    Bearded weirdos, gays kissing on stage, PT Barnum would have loved it . Shame Ukraine didn't get through......Topless femen sluts with swastika armbands would have put the icing on the cake!
    In 2003 EBU prohibited T.aT.u. to kiss on stage after complains from several countries, with Ireland among them that gave the victory to Turkey in the last moment after switching to the backup jury for technical reasons.
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    yuri is cool Laughing . but yaoi, eughhh. almost as if they are against straight dudes with prohibiting lesbians getting it on on stage and condoning eughhh.
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    Post  AirCargo on Sun Jun 07, 2015 4:23 am

    Russian scientists stage rare anti-government demo.

    AFP By Anna Smolchenko, Olga Rotenberg

    Moscow (AFP) - Russian scientists staged a rare anti-government demonstration Saturday as fears mount that they will be next in the line of fire after Kremlin crackdowns on the media, rights activists and the opposition.

    Several thousand protesters including scientists and intellectuals took to the streets of Moscow to express fears for the future of scientific research, which is becoming mired in red tape and mismanagement.

    Prominent opposition figures including top activist Alexei Navalny joined the rally.

    Protesters held up placards reading "Authorities are strangling science", "Nobel laureates are foreign agents" and "Putin cannot solve problems, he is the problem".

    Astrophysicist Boris Shtern told the rally: "Alas, science is slowly dying. The massive advance of ignorance is being supported by the media and authorities."

    The protest was originally called in support of a top private foundation whose 82-year-old founder, philanthropist Dmitry Zimin, has come under fire for financing Russian science from overseas accounts.

    Discontent among scientists has been brewing for months but the crackdown against Zimin's Dynasty Foundation sparked acute anger and disbelief.

    The justice ministry in late May added the ex-telecoms magnate's Dynasty foundation to its list of "foreign agents" under a law that critics say is designed to muzzle critics of President Vladimir Putin.

    Zimin, a widely respected former radio engineer who spent millions of dollars supporting scientific research, has threatened to shut down his foundation, demanded an apology from the authorities and temporarily left Russia.

    An AFP correspondent said more than 2,000 people turned up at the rally, while activists counted some 3,500 participants.

    Antonina Aleksandrova, a biologist at a cancer treatment centre, slammed the attack against Zimin's foundation whose grant recipients include groups promoting liberal values.

    "For the country to develop, it needs education," Aleksandrova told AFP.

    "The Dynasty is an egregious example of how an organisation that played a huge role in this education has been crushed."

    "It is a significant loss for us all."

    Some rally participants held books published with the help of Zimin's fund.

    Physicist Vladimir Olshansky said he found the current atmosphere of "lies and obscurantism" offensive.

    He said the Kremlin was threatened by free-wheeling scientists and their independent-minded benefactors.

    "The authorities believe that they themselves know who to give money to."

    Chemist Efim Brodsky added: "What's happening threatens the country more than science."


    - 'Only reason to stay' -


    Critics accuse the Russian government of boosting defence spending at the expense of science, education and health care as tensions with the West run high.

    Some have said that Russia appears to be losing its competitive edge in space, pointing to a recent string of mishaps.

    Many supporters praise Zimin as a rare Russian philanthropist who instead of flaunting his wealth like many fellow tycoons chooses to support a young generation of scientists.

    "Without the Dynasty young scientists would begin leaving the country abruptly," Mikhail Nikitin, a 32-year-old biologist, told AFP, adding that he was finishing a book he was hoping could be published with the help of the fund.

    "For many young scientists the Dynasty's grants were the only reason to stay in Russia," he said.

    More than 250 Russian scientists, most of them working abroad, signed an open letter in support of Zimin, saying they were "outraged and extremely worried" by the pressure on the fund and its possible consequences.

    Zimin's foundation has a 2015 budget of 435 million rubles ($7.7 million at the current exchange rate).

    "My money is kept abroad," Zimin, who founded mobile telecommunications giant VimpelCom in 1992, told Russian reporters. "But Russia also keeps its money abroad."

    The Dynasty will convene a meeting on Monday to decide its future strategy.

    Putin signed the law on "foreign agents" in 2012, after huge opposition protests, and described the legislation as "self-defence" against the financing of political activities in the country from abroad.

    Scores of rights groups resent the tag carrying connotations of Cold War espionage.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Jun 07, 2015 8:34 am

    AirCargo wrote:Russian scientists stage rare anti-government demo.

    AFP By Anna Smolchenko, Olga Rotenberg

    Moscow (AFP) - Russian scientists staged a rare anti-government demonstration Saturday as fears mount that they will be next in the line of fire after Kremlin crackdowns on the media, rights activists and the opposition.
    Unless these "crackdowns" include massive amount of riot police, water cannons, tear-gas and rubber bullets, then there not "crackdowns"

    Several thousand protesters including scientists and intellectuals took to the streets of Moscow to express fears for the future of scientific research, which is becoming mired in red tape and mismanagement.
    I wish they went into more detail about these "red tape and mismanagement" issues, but i guess there not worth mentioning.

    Prominent opposition figures including top activist Alexei Navalny joined the rally.
    "Prominent" is not the word i would use to describe someone like Navalny and the man is barely an "opposition figure", he is without a doubt a pathetic media whore who gets all his attention by positioning himself as sort of anti-Putin figure sort of like the girl from Pussy-Riot.

    Protesters held up placards reading "Authorities are strangling science", "Nobel laureates are foreign agents" and "Putin cannot solve problems, he is the problem".
    Well sure,i guess lack of finance strangles science/ Considering Obama got a Nobel prize, then yea the laureates might as well be foreign agents/ Yea, bringing Russia back from the grave didn't involve any problem solving at all. Rolling Eyes

    Astrophysicist Boris Shtern told the rally: "Alas, science is slowly dying. The massive advance of ignorance is being supported by the media and authorities."
    I'm confused is he talking about Russia or the U.S, if U.S then he's totally right, if Russia then he's a F'ing idiot.

    The protest was originally called in support of a top private foundation whose 82-year-old founder, philanthropist Dmitry Zimin, has come under fire for financing Russian science from overseas accounts.

    Discontent among scientists has been brewing for months but the crackdown against Zimin's Dynasty Foundation sparked acute anger and disbelief.

    The justice ministry in late May added the ex-telecoms magnate's Dynasty foundation to its list of "foreign agents" under a law that critics say is designed to muzzle critics of President Vladimir Putin.

    Zimin, a widely respected former radio engineer who spent millions of dollars supporting scientific research, has threatened to shut down his foundation, demanded an apology from the authorities and temporarily left Russia.
    Not really sure what going on here so i'll leave this for kvs and sepheronx

    An AFP correspondent said more than 2,000 people turned up at the rally, while activists counted some 3,500 participants.
    So, how many of these people were actual scientist and how many were just there for Navalny?

    "Antonina Aleksandrova, a biologist at a cancer treatment centre, slammed the attack against Zimin's foundation whose grant recipients include groups promoting liberal values.
    Values crap again.

    "For the country to develop, it needs education," Aleksandrova told AFP.
    Russia has one of the best edution systems in the world, the hell is this idiot talking about.

    "The Dynasty is an egregious example of how an organisation that played a huge role in this education has been crushed."

    "It is a significant loss for us all."
    How was it crushed, it was added to a list not bombed to dust.

    Physicist Vladimir Olshansky said he found the current atmosphere of "lies and obscurantism" offensive.

    He said the Kremlin was threatened by free-wheeling scientists and their independent-minded benefactors.
    "independent-minded benefactors" have become serious threats to all non-western aligned countries, politically anyway, not sure of there effects on science community though.

    "The authorities believe that they themselves know who to give money to."
    kvs and sepheronx all yours

    Chemist Efim Brodsky added: "What's happening threatens the country more than science."
    True, that's why they made the foreign agents law

    - 'Only reason to stay' -


    Critics accuse the Russian government of boosting defence spending at the expense of science, education and health care as tensions with the West run high.
    First of all, who are these so called critics
    Second, why are they blaming everything on the Military budget and not the sanctions
    Third, of course the military budget is getting increased, they are rearming.
    Fourth, do not think that Russia is as stupid as the U.S and the E.U, to sacrifice "science, education and health care"

    Some have said that Russia appears to be losing its competitive edge in space, pointing to a recent string of mishaps.
    Any one else wanna take this.

    Many supporters praise Zimin as a rare Russian philanthropist who instead of flaunting his wealth like many fellow tycoons chooses to support a young generation of scientists.
    All well and good

    "Without the Dynasty young scientists would begin leaving the country abruptly," Mikhail Nikitin, a 32-year-old biologist, told AFP, adding that he was finishing a book he was hoping could be published with the help of the fund.
    This brain-drain crap agian

    "For many young scientists the Dynasty's grants were the only reason to stay in Russia," he said.
    Guess there's no patriotism in these youngsters

    More than 250 Russian scientists, most of them working abroad, signed an open letter in support of Zimin, saying they were "outraged and extremely worried" by the pressure on the fund and its possible consequences.
    Yes, clarifying where funds actually go may put a lot of people's Swiss bank accounts in danger

    Zimin's foundation has a 2015 budget of 435 million rubles ($7.7 million at the current exchange rate).

    "My money is kept abroad," Zimin, who founded mobile telecommunications giant VimpelCom in 1992, told Russian reporters. "But Russia also keeps its money abroad."
    Not all of it's money

    Putin signed the law on "foreign agents" in 2012, after huge opposition protests, and described the legislation as "self-defence" against the financing of political activities in the country from abroad.
    Yap, sounds about right.

    Scores of rights groups resent the tag carrying connotations of Cold War espionage.
    Yea, blame the state, not the foreign powers constantly using these organisation as fronts to cause internal instability.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:23 am

    Perhaps Boris Shtern and the rest of the malcontents can bugger on off to their promised land the USA. I am sick and tired
    of this slime speaking on behalf of Russians. You are nothing but maggots who would rather see all Russians nuked out of
    existence to please your beloved NATO.

    Funny how they were not making a peep under Yeltsin and when things were still really tough 10 years ago. But now that
    the money is starting to percolate through the system they come out like worms from the woodwork. Reminds me of what
    happened in Ontario under the NDP government. We had the government unions stage massive demonstrations because
    the Ontario Premier, Bob Rae, had a plan to reduce the number of total work days (and hence total pay) to the civil service
    to save money. This was actually a very good solution since there would be no mass layoffs. Thanks in part to these idiots the
    NDP was replaced by the regime of Mike Harris and his "common sense" revolution. About 14,000 civil servants were laid off
    and there was not a single demonstration by the unions. Very interesting and a good indication that these unions serve another
    master much like Boris Shtern and the rest of the idiots demonstrating in Russia and making hysterical and demented slander
    against Russia.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:34 am

    This Dynasty Foundation smells as does the behaviour of its owner. He who pays the piper calls the tune and it is a bad
    thing for Russian science to depend on funding from offshore sources with unclear agendas. You can tell from this
    demonstration that the money has strings attached and some scientists are being duped into thinking that Navalny
    and the "non system" opposition is something good. The offshore money is buying the loyalty of these scientists and
    hence turning them into 5th columnists. Even if they mean no harm, they are clearly buying into the colour revolution
    agenda of Washington. In other words, they are useful idiots. Some of them are outright militants like this Shtern clown.

    In case it is not clear, science is funded by the government in Canada and the USA. Most science does not have an
    immediate commercial value so private funding is not normal. These malcontents believe the NATO propaganda
    line that everything the Russian government does is bad and Putin is the evil at its core. Putin won at the ballot box
    and has 85% support currently. But that means nothing for these self-righteous, duped idiots.
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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:40 am

    Meh. There were plenty of protest from the so called scientific community. How much of them are actually in science? Who knows. But having Navalny in your group just ruins whatever credibility they had.

    Science is supposed to be funded by either government or none affiliate groups. Obviously this ngo who was under a specific group clearly was doing unscrupulous activity as I heard the head fled the country.

    Anyway, if these so called patriots want to leave, let them. Scientific development hasnt changed in Russia as Tomsk has proven that fact. If many leave, many will get new jobs as there will be openings. As long as there is money, there will be work. Add to that, they have been crying about brain drain but doesnt appear evident.
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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:06 am

    I will add, that i do not agree with all of Russia's policies regarding about the education/science system, but it shouldn't come down to relying upon an "NGO" in order to provide for it.  If it is really as bad as they say, then the scientific community should actually work towards building their OWN NGO that doesn't obtain funds from simply outside sources.  should be the base of the NGO - "No outside governments can fund it" and simply rely upon their own sponsors from local businesses, croud funding, and domestic government.  Then they can use that collective money to help the scientific field.

    There is absolutely no reason why they should obtain funds.  Instead of fleeing and hosting a "protest", they could simply state their case in public and showcase their funds, and where they go to and where they came from and state why where when how, etc.  Doing so, they may actually save their damaged image and everything can go back to normal.  If you have a "protest" with some unknown people and some people who make stupid statements (Only reason why they are here is because of money or they would have left Russia, etc), and be tied to someone who was completely corrupt back in the 90's with a bad image to boot; they could be far more productive like I mentioned.

    There is absolutely no reason why they should rely upon a foreign entity whom has questionable ethics, for their funding. One thing that should come to light is what kind of research are these people doing? And the other question that should be raised is "why is this group handing out funds to some sort of Liberal NGO authority? If the money is meant for science, it shouldn't be handed to some third party whom is not involved in scientific research". Simply put, that will actually give these people a question they cannot answer, and then question themselves.

    I remember when that main scientific institute in Russia was merged with another organization, many scientists with Navalny did the same thing - Protest (I think the protests were even larger) with lots of people saying the same Rhetorics about "we will leave the country, brain drain, only reason we are here is because: (insert bullshit claim), etc" and it amounted to nothing. Give it some time, most wont even remember the name of this NGO that was assisting science (or so they claimed).

    People in Russia need to become far less dependent on foreign NGO's to help them. Foreign NGO's for the most part are there to do what they are told by their respective governments or are agents. I have so far not heard of an NGO organization that didn't have an agenda that was benefit for the country they were in (even NGO's in the US and Canada that are funded from our own country men can be very questionable as well). Instead, they should be relying upon their own people and their own institutes. Rostec and Rusnano are the only ones that are REALLY indulged in scientific research and technology development. Schwab is an example. Tomsk State university may be the only exception where they are their own entity and have so far published a ton of new scientific papers in technology than maybe any other university in the country. And this is where it is also should be done mostly, in Universities and in the companies themselves researching the technology. Universities and Libraries in the past used to be the go to place for scientific research and development. That changed, mostly in US, when it moved towards the private sector, but majority of it is very questionable, like how the tobacco companies fund "scientific Research" that concludes to the benefit of the big companies.
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    Post  AirCargo on Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:05 pm

    Alfa T8 wrote:This brain-drain crap agian


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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:56 pm

    Business Insider.. LOL  What a trash media you post.


    Im goign to repost.. what i told in another discussion and the reply of others of this Foreign Agent NGO.. so more educated people can comment.. not like the guy above..



    me:

    Didn't Obama says Russia invents nothing? that is only a gas station? and here they have an NGO stealing talent from Russia? This Foreign NGO ,is nothing more an Spy agency that seeks to identify best Russian students and steal them away from Russia and put them to work for US defense Industry. This is treason. No one give away Millions for "promoting science" ,they can go to AFRICA or Middle east instead and they will find millions of students there to "promote science" there if they want. After Russia invest so much money from its budget for a high quality free education to Russian people. Free healthcare and free apartment for students.that later comes a Rogue nation and steal the talent ? Give me a break. Americans should take their money and invest it in their own failed education system, instead and stop interfering for once in the development of other nations.This have nothing to do with promoting Science but stealing talent away of Russia every year. This is how US maintain its defense industry updated.. stealing foreign talent from other nations. And is not surprise majority of PHD Scientist in USA are foreigners with visa.It was about time this NGO of Thieves of Scientific talent was banned. US or any foreign nation should take their money and fund their own education instead and stop stealing talent from others and interfering in the development of others nations.

    reply by @Erik Trete:
    It more than just NGOs stealing top talent. Google for example is a prime example of Western companies setting up a "development lab" in Russia, then transferring the best talent to their corporate labs in California.


    So basically this American NGO is a spy agency that identify Russian students best
    potential scientist but also Professors  and lure them away of Russia to work for US laboratories
    and defense Industry.. Shocked

    Imo if this is the case.. im wondering how the hell the NGO was not banned before and
    Russia allowed the dirty hands of Americans to steal the best talent of Russia? This is treason.
    allowing such Vampire agency to operate in RUssia..to steal talent..  No one give away millions
    for nothing.. even less American Government.. when they give millions is because they want something back..

    What is sickening about all this is the propaganda run by the defenders of the NGO.
    "NO science ,No future"  Rolling Eyes  IF the  Dynasty Foundation NGO is really interested in promote
    Science? Why they dont promote it in Africa and Middle east? there are millions there that
    could benefit of that "promotion".. Why they don't hire top scientist in the west to teach students in Russia? instead is the other way.. they create technology Labs in Russia and finance the equipment and the student or professors do the investigation and when they finish it.. they report the findings to the americans and explain the whole thing..

    So this is NOT a ban on science.. but on foreign nations to steal talent from Russia and
    a ban on foreign scientific copy of Russian research...  Imho Russia should take this law to a new level and ban foreign students from NATO countries to enter to study Engineering and Science in RUssia.


    Basically the NGO is Stealing research .. and could be used to steal intellectual property.
    stole classified information from Russia technology development and the things they working.
    Russia goes and spend billions dollars from its budget to give a high quality education to its people and later dirty American Government goes and take a free ride and buy knowledge for cheap that they later pass to American Laboratories and companies.

    If anyone remember when i told US government budget is 100% used to
    build a World Empire and take control of others..and to sabotage the technology development
    of their competition?


    Here @aircargo ,you will enjoy this..



    Imo i really think is treason , and should be paid with a high fine and or jail depending of the shared information with foreign nations. ,that a Russia student goes and study for free in Russia ,and get a high quality education ,free housing and Food and a dedication and help from University .and years later when he/she graduate ,they go and move to a foreign nation To share the knowledge they got from Russia Universities education.

    Treason indeed and laws in Russia should be more severe with the sharing of information to
    foreign nations hostile to Russia. and not even allow foreign students to take classes of Sciences and engineer in RUssia.. Unless is proven they are not there to steal knowledge.
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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:07 pm

    AirCargo wrote:
    Alfa T8 wrote:This brain-drain crap agian


    Left to where?

    Take a closer look at the statistics; emigration to the US/Germany/Israel/etc... hasn't increased at all.

    It has increased substantially to ex-Soviet republics such as Uzbekistan, etc...
    Which is what's responsible for the jump in emigration.

    What does that tell you?
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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:14 pm

    "Without the Dynasty young scientists would begin leaving the country abruptly," Mikhail Nikitin, a 32-year-old biologist, told AFP, adding that he was finishing a book he was hoping could be published with the help of the fund.
    "For many young scientists the Dynasty's grants were the only reason to stay in Russia," he said.

    What I don't get, is that from my knowledge - this organization was never threatened with closure at all.

    It was put on the 'Foreign Agents' list due to it being funded from abroad, and the owner threatened to close it down himself.

    Yes the way these people are describing it - it's as if Russia itself is trying to close it down - which is not the case.
    So what the hell do they want? To change the law? If so then why are they whining about emigration and the imminent close-down of this foundation? This law has nothing to do with any of that.

    If they don't want the foundation to close down - they should take up the issue with the owner; it's his decision, not Russia's

    Why the heck is the owner making such a big deal out of his NGO being labelled a foreign agent anyway? If it's purely focussed on scientific research and grants than what is the harm of this status? It will only harm the reputation of those NGOs engaged in political activities.

    Yet this clown is threatening to close his whole operation down. Mighty suspicious it all is.

    And another thing

    "For many young scientists the Dynasty's grants were the only reason to stay in Russia," he said.

    This isn't the 90s, where the only help or finance scientists can rely on are those from some shady oligarch-philantropist (an oxymoron if there ever was one) with whatever private motives.

    There are many jobs; well-developed pharamaceutical, heavy industrial, engineering, space, nuclear, defence, etc... sectors, in all of which there is demand for scientists; and the pay in many of them is not too shaby either.
    In Academics, there is ongoing reform of universities, granted a lot of work has yet to be done - but still, there are grants and funds for scientists all over Russia - many of them have gone on the form start-ups and companies based on their innovations and research.
    There are many government programs and state-owned companies (e.g. Rosnano) too focussing on innovation, investing in start-ups and so on.

    And this tool is flapping on about some NGO and its grants.
    I call BS.
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    Post  Neutrality on Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:50 pm

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    Neutrality wrote:You guys remember the NGO law pushed by Duma? I think it's proving its use as the leader of "Dynasty" relocated to that other country. Apparently their leader got financial help from some foreign organisations (we all know who) and they have been using that money to fund other NGOs like "Liberal Mission" which I never even heard of. They also funded "research programs" with 2 BILLION roubles! Seriously, 2 fucking billion roubles from an NGO. These guys have some serious explaining to do and no wonder the rat fled before the prosecution could do anything. Good riddance. Let's hope other assholes like Navalny fuck off as well.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Jun 07, 2015 5:48 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    I call BS.

    and I call it deliberate info warfare. Deliberate to create distorted image of Russia (drunkard producing nothing aggressive and dangerous in drunken berserk) also in eyes if Russian youth. Damn Kolyma uranium mines shall be main prize for NGOs not complying with laws or Russia.


    BTW as for Dynasty sponsor oligarch -pls not so much antisemitism lol!
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Jun 07, 2015 5:56 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Meh. There were plenty of protest from the so called scientific community. How much of them are actually in science? Who knows. But having Navalny in your group just ruins whatever credibility they had.

    Science is supposed to be funded by either government or none affiliate groups. Obviously this ngo who was under a specific group clearly was doing unscrupulous activity as I heard the head fled the country.

    Anyway, if these so called patriots want to leave, let them. Scientific development hasnt changed in Russia as Tomsk has proven that fact. If many leave, many will get new jobs as there will be openings. As long as there is money, there will be work. Add to that, they have been crying about brain drain but doesnt appear evident.

    Navalny was pelted with eggs in Novosybirsk. No reports that ostrich eggs were used though.

    http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1421118/

    BTW I wonder why never I can read news in liberal press or better US sponsored about scientists who want return or did return to Russia under Putin? lol1
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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jun 07, 2015 6:26 pm

    AirCargo wrote:
    Alfa T8 wrote:This brain-drain crap agian


    People migrate. also, look how many people migrated to Russia as well during last year and this year and even 2013. But none of that matters to someone like yourself.

    Care to post where they gone and what jobs they were involved in? BTW, Tajik workers going back home isn't really brain drain.
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    Post  AirCargo on Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:24 am

    Russia's Brain Drain: Why Economists Are Leaving

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesinternational/2015/05/26/russias-brain-drain-why-economists-are-leaving/

    Russia's Smartest People Are Leaving In Droves

    http://www.businessinsider.com/r-disenchanted-with-putin-some-russians-vote-with-their-feet-2014-24

    Russian science outcry as Kremlin targets major funder

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/05/russia-science-in-disarray-as-kremlin-targets-major-funder
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    Post  AirCargo on Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:29 am

    Putin’s Russia divides and enrages scientists

    http://www.nature.com/news/putin-s-russia-divides-and-enrages-scientists-1.16571


    Fifth of Russian organizations lose access to Springer database

    http://rbth.com/news/2015/05/12/fifth_of_russian_organizations_lose_access_to_springer_database_45929.html

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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:49 am

    AirCargo wrote:Russia's Brain Drain: Why Economists Are Leaving

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesinternational/2015/05/26/russias-brain-drain-why-economists-are-leaving/

    Russia's Smartest People Are Leaving In Droves

    http://www.businessinsider.com/r-disenchanted-with-putin-some-russians-vote-with-their-feet-2014-24

    Russian science outcry as Kremlin targets major funder

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/05/russia-science-in-disarray-as-kremlin-targets-major-funder

    Go away troll.

    Those very articles are quoting people like Navalny and Kasparov. You and these articles are a fucking joke. You are simply trying to create an issue and GarryB should be aware of this.

    Let me put it to you so you can understand it for a simple american mind: These people are already considered traitors. Even your articles, if you even read them, state how only 17% people want to "leave" the country that are "polled" and lot less than it was before. Add to that, adding in names of people whom work for 5th coloumnists isn't evidence.

    Did you know that in this year alone, over 200,000 people migrated to Russia?

    http://tass.ru/en/russia/770826

    270,000 foreigners entered Russia in January alone.

    That far outpaces the number of so called "specialists" from Russia. By the way, all those so called specialists that your backwards ass links provide are: A Geneologist, and economists, whom even mentioned "Liberal" economists.

    That should tell you a lot.

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