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    Re: Soviet era MRLS: Grad, Uragan, Smerch

    Post  franco on Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:56 pm

    George1 wrote:From what i conclude, Tornado is only modernization of older MRLSs? Not completely a new system?


    Not sure about how much the actual rockets have been modernized but the rest of the system is totally new. And would appear to also replace the Smerch by combining them into one vehicle with interchangeable rocket pods.

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    Re: Soviet era MRLS: Grad, Uragan, Smerch

    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:39 pm

    technically this is just a serious upgrade of the electronics of the Grad, Uragan, and Smerch... the main difference however is that the Uragan and Smerch seem to now have a unified platform, and they are loaded in pallets instead of individually.



    This seems to show another 122mm pallet with 3 rows of 5 rockets in each pack.

    Has anyone see the 220mm rocket pallets?

    The 300mm 6 packs are visible in the picture above too.

    I would expect a 220mm rocket pack would include about 8 tubes so it equates (with two pallets) to the 16 tubes of Uragan... the Smerch 300mm rockets have 6 tubes each which matches the original system when two pallets are used of 12 rockets. The above 15 shot pallets of Grad 122mm is just short of the original system 30 instead of 40 which perhaps explains why the Grad has been replaced with a Grad with 40 fixed tubes instead of pallets.


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    Re: Soviet era MRLS: Grad, Uragan, Smerch

    Post  franco on Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:48 pm

    GarryB wrote:technically this is just a serious upgrade of the electronics of the Grad, Uragan, and Smerch... the main difference however is that the Uragan and Smerch seem to now have a unified platform, and they are loaded in pallets instead of individually.



    This seems to show another 122mm pallet with 3 rows of 5 rockets in each pack.

    Has anyone see the 220mm rocket pallets?

    The 300mm 6 packs are visible in the picture above too.

    I would expect a 220mm rocket pack would include about 8 tubes so it equates (with two pallets) to the 16 tubes of Uragan... the Smerch 300mm rockets have 6 tubes each which matches the original system when two pallets are used of 12 rockets. The above 15 shot pallets of Grad 122mm is just short of the original system 30 instead of 40 which perhaps explains why the Grad has been replaced with a Grad with 40 fixed tubes instead of pallets.

    A 12 round 220mm rocket pack (660x880) would be pretty close in size to a 6 round 300mm rocket pack (600x900) but I have not seen anything yet.

    Also those 122mm pods are 4x5 or 20 rounds each.

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    Re: Soviet era MRLS: Grad, Uragan, Smerch

    Post  flamming_python on Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:07 pm

    GarryB wrote:technically this is just a serious upgrade of the electronics of the Grad, Uragan, and Smerch... the main difference however is that the Uragan and Smerch seem to now have a unified platform, and they are loaded in pallets instead of individually.



    This seems to show another 122mm pallet with 3 rows of 5 rockets in each pack.

    Has anyone see the 220mm rocket pallets?

    The 300mm 6 packs are visible in the picture above too.

    I would expect a 220mm rocket pack would include about 8 tubes so it equates (with two pallets) to the 16 tubes of Uragan... the Smerch 300mm rockets have 6 tubes each which matches the original system when two pallets are used of 12 rockets. The above 15 shot pallets of Grad 122mm is just short of the original system 30 instead of 40 which perhaps explains why the Grad has been replaced with a Grad with 40 fixed tubes instead of pallets.

    Look closer. 4x5.

    The Grad is being replaced by a Tornado-G model, but AFAIK it looks more or less the same as a normal Grad. So maybe its just a modernization, while the 122mm pallets will be used on similar size but new trucks tha might not be ready yet; which explains why we've only seen Uragan and Smersh sized trucks

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    Re: Soviet era MRLS: Grad, Uragan, Smerch

    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 25, 2015 11:58 am

    Well duh... I should look at these images at full size rather than glancing at the thumbnails.

    The Grad is being replaced by a Tornado-G model, but AFAIK it looks more or less the same as a normal Grad. So maybe its just a modernization, while the 122mm pallets will be used on similar size but new trucks tha might not be ready yet; which explains why we've only seen Uragan and Smersh sized trucks

    That is possible, but I suspect that the future plan is for the Grad lookalike Tornado-G to just replace the Grad vehicles... they seem to have fixed tubes rather than loaded pallets.

    TO me therefore I suspect the other vehicle we see with the separate pallets that seems to be a replacement for both the Uragan and Smerch that can carry two pallets so assuming 122mm, 220mm and 300mm pallets in any combination should be a useful flexible vehicle.

    On other vehicle we have seen is a light truck with a single pallet... now assuming the single pallet light truck uses standard pallets that means it could carry one 122mm, 220mm 0r 300mm pallet to support different units over different ranges of targets.

    This would mean for light units that use light rockets (122mm) they could use Tornado-G, while light mobile units might use the light truck Tornado with a single pallet capacity, while heavier units or units than need heavy fire power could use the other Tornado with the two pallets.


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    MLRS "Smerch" and "Tornado-S" will receive guided missiles

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:37 pm

    MLRS "Smerch" and "Tornado-S" will receive guided missiles

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20151121/1325676321.html
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    MOSCOW, 21 Nov — RIA Novosti. Guided missiles will be developed for reactive systems of volley fire (MLRS) "Smerch" and "Tornado-S", said Saturday the Deputy chief of Rocket troops and artillery (Rvia) of Russian Land forces the General-major Alexander Drahomaretskiy.
    "For "Smerch" and "Tornado-S" in the future will be developed guided missiles, which will carry out the exact defeat of the purposes",- said the General-the major in radio station interview "Russian news service".
    Earlier it was reported that MLRS "Tornado-S" will greatly enhance the capability of the troops. It will enhance the combat potential of the existing "Tornado" through the creation of a new family of rockets, new approaches and improvements that are associated with a geodetic reference guidance


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    Re: Soviet era MRLS: Grad, Uragan, Smerch

    Post  George1 on Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:53 pm

    MLRS "Smerch" and "Tornado-S" will have guided missiles



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    Re: Soviet era MRLS: Grad, Uragan, Smerch

    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:11 pm

    About 50 units of multiple launch rocket systems "Smerch", "Grad" and "Uragan" motorized rifle entered service in Western Military Region

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=3&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20151202/1334254321.html&usg=ALkJrhgSIuo8Uc2qgolUoSCrqL5FXE5ObA


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    Re: Soviet era MRLS: Grad, Uragan, Smerch

    Post  George1 on Thu Feb 11, 2016 5:37 pm

    Western MD artillery formation received 8 Uragan MLRS



    One of the Western MD artillery formations received 8 Uragan multiple launch rocket systems and 16 transport-loading vehicles. These systems are to raise combat capabilities of the formation while defensive and offensive operations.

    These MLRS are designed for engaging covered manpower, light-armored and armored combat hardware, artillery, tactic missile complexes, command and communication centers, and other infrastructural objects of the enemy.

    The 220mm Uragan systems are capable to perform firing by single projectiles as by full barrage at targets located in the area of about 40 hectares at the distance up to 35 kilometers. Each projectile weights 280 kg.

    It takes no more than three minutes to prepare the system for firing. Full barrage is performed in 20 seconds. The MLRS battery is ready to perform marching in a minute after firing.

    http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12078125@egNews


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