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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #5

    Post  Isos on Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:16 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Isos wrote:With the armies being smaller and smaller it's better to have a light self propelled mortar like 2S9 Nona or Something even lighter with all its communication systems and GPS/Glonass targeting computers and other its safety for the crew than these "normal" mortars.


    "Normal" mortars are going nowhere as they far, far, far cheaper to be made, lighter and its easy to break such units in smaller detachments. You cant leave self propelled mortar especially not one on tracked platform on its own without support of accompanying units.

    You have today hand held BMS and Balistic computers that do exactly the same job again at fraction of the cost. You can take 60/82 mm mortar at the top of the building, down the well, under stairs, inside the building, under bridge, in sewer pipe... you cant do that with something weighting 25tons.

    When its about 120mm mortars, i am more for those semi-fixed variants that have their dedicated vehicle, but which allows mortar to be taken off and used as normal mortar at any moment. Something like simplified Thales Scorpion mortar system lets say.

    True for those very small mortars you can basically put in your pocket but something a little bit bigger that needs some bigger transport vehicle and with range low against howitzers has no future.

    The time of engagement is reducing because of the interconnexion of equipement, so fixed or semi fixed artillery is, IMO, dead because you can move it quickely. Small mortars can be moved by the soldier easily too, I'm just speaking about bigger semi fixed or fixed mortar and gun.

    Look how it was counter in Uk:



    BTW there are lot of videos showing how these small mortars explodes while the man is puting the shell in it. They are pretty dangerous to use.

    No need to have a 20T armoured tank to carry them. A new concept of motorcycle that can carry them would be devastating. The main probleme is to fire and go away pretty fast. Horses are good and quick enough but you need to put the mortar on them and that takes some minutes.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #5

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:06 pm


    Ehhhhhh, guys?  confused

    Russia to Develop Nuclear Round for T-14 Main Battle Tank

    Russia is purportedly mulling fitting its newest battle tank with a 152 millimeter gun capable of firing nuclear rounds.

    http://thediplomat.com/2017/04/russia-to-develop-nuclear-round-for-t-14-main-battle-tank/
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #5

    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:32 am

    Russia is purportedly mulling fitting its newest battle tank with a 152 millimeter gun capable of firing nuclear rounds.

    More likely they were mulling the value of using a 152mm tank gun and realised there were nuclear shells for 152mm howitzers and put two and two together... because that is what evil Russians do... they use WMDs in their tanks.

    BTW regarding:

    No need to have a 20T armoured tank to carry them. A new concept of motorcycle that can carry them would be devastating.

    New light and medium mortars are only going to get better range and better accuracy and as such will always be useful.

    Likely light vehicles will be developed to make them even more mobile which will make them even more useful.... lighter calibres means more ready to use ammo and more accurate and guided rounds means fewer rounds on target needed for effect.


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #5

    Post  Benya on Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:47 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ehhhhhh, guys?  confused

    Russia to Develop Nuclear Round for T-14 Main Battle Tank

    Russia is purportedly mulling fitting its newest battle tank with a 152 millimeter gun capable of firing nuclear rounds.

    http://thediplomat.com/2017/04/russia-to-develop-nuclear-round-for-t-14-main-battle-tank/

    Damn!

    Here we are again, in the era when everyone would use nukes on everyone?

    Sounds very much nonsense BTW. It is just like the Davy Crockett rocket, but its a tank shell.

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #5

    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:27 am

    Hahahaha... Yeah the Davy Crockett... before you fired it you dug a trench because the max ballistic range of the missile was shorter than the minimum safe blast/radiation radius...


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #5

    Post  ATLASCUB on Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:54 am

    GarryB wrote:Hahahaha... Yeah the Davy Crockett... before you fired it you dug a trench because the max ballistic range of the missile was shorter than the minimum safe blast/radiation radius...

    Nuklэr mechanized infantry - NMI, is a special branch of the Russian army, under direct supervision of the president of Russia, formed in 2000 at the request of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, current acting president of Russia. The NMI engages in military nuclear combat on foot. As the troops who engage with the enemy in close-ranged combat, nuklэr units bear the largest brunt of warfare and typically suffer the greatest number of casualties during a military campaign.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #5

    Post  Militarov on Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:21 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ehhhhhh, guys?  confused

    Russia to Develop Nuclear Round for T-14 Main Battle Tank

    Russia is purportedly mulling fitting its newest battle tank with a 152 millimeter gun capable of firing nuclear rounds.

    http://thediplomat.com/2017/04/russia-to-develop-nuclear-round-for-t-14-main-battle-tank/

    Could they be talking actually about 152mm nuclear shell for Coaliation rather than T-14? That would make some sense. Because "nuclear round" for T-14 would be... impractical to say at best.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #5

    Post  VladimirSahin on Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:23 am

    Militarov wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ehhhhhh, guys?  confused

    Russia to Develop Nuclear Round for T-14 Main Battle Tank

    Russia is purportedly mulling fitting its newest battle tank with a 152 millimeter gun capable of firing nuclear rounds.

    http://thediplomat.com/2017/04/russia-to-develop-nuclear-round-for-t-14-main-battle-tank/

    Could they be talking actually about 152mm nuclear shell for Coaliation rather than T-14? That would make some sense. Because "nuclear round" for T-14 would be... impractical to say at best.

    Or this proves the Abrams is actually very well armored.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #5

    Post  Militarov on Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:30 am

    VladimirSahin wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ehhhhhh, guys?  confused

    Russia to Develop Nuclear Round for T-14 Main Battle Tank

    Russia is purportedly mulling fitting its newest battle tank with a 152 millimeter gun capable of firing nuclear rounds.

    http://thediplomat.com/2017/04/russia-to-develop-nuclear-round-for-t-14-main-battle-tank/

    Could they be talking actually about 152mm nuclear shell for Coaliation rather than T-14? That would make some sense. Because "nuclear round" for T-14 would be... impractical to say at best.

    Or this proves the Abrams is actually very well armored.

    Answer for better armored target would be better kinetic penetrator rather than nuke Smile
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #5

    Post  VladimirSahin on Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:34 am

    Militarov wrote:
    VladimirSahin wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ehhhhhh, guys?  confused

    Russia to Develop Nuclear Round for T-14 Main Battle Tank

    Russia is purportedly mulling fitting its newest battle tank with a 152 millimeter gun capable of firing nuclear rounds.

    http://thediplomat.com/2017/04/russia-to-develop-nuclear-round-for-t-14-main-battle-tank/

    Could they be talking actually about 152mm nuclear shell for Coaliation rather than T-14? That would make some sense. Because "nuclear round" for T-14 would be... impractical to say at best.

    Or this proves the Abrams is actually very well armored.

    Answer for better armored target would be better kinetic penetrator rather than nuke Smile

    Come on bro I was just joking...
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #5

    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:30 am

    VladimirSahin wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    VladimirSahin wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ehhhhhh, guys?  confused

    Russia to Develop Nuclear Round for T-14 Main Battle Tank

    Russia is purportedly mulling fitting its newest battle tank with a 152 millimeter gun capable of firing nuclear rounds.

    http://thediplomat.com/2017/04/russia-to-develop-nuclear-round-for-t-14-main-battle-tank/

    Could they be talking actually about 152mm nuclear shell for Coaliation rather than T-14? That would make some sense. Because "nuclear round" for T-14 would be... impractical to say at best.

    Or this proves the Abrams is actually very well armored.

    Answer for better armored target would be better kinetic penetrator rather than nuke Smile

    Come on bro I was just joking...

    So was he. Wink
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #5

    Post  max steel on Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:38 pm

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #5

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:40 pm

    A picture by Vitaly from the May 9th rehearsals

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #5

    Post  Benya on Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:07 pm

    Russian T-14 Armata Main Battle Tank continues field trials

    The field trials of Russia’s most advanced Armata tank are proceeding on schedule and without complications, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told TASS on Thursday.


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    "They are proceeding according to plan," he said in reply to a question about how operational tests were going on. "Various technologies are being tested and the issue of automatizing all of the tank’s systems is being considered," Rogozin said. The board of Russia’s military and industrial commission will soon hear a report by Uralvagonzavod newly-appointed CEO Alexander Potapov on the pace of these works, the vice-premier said. "We do not expect any complications with this machine," Rogozin said.

    The volume of T-14 Armata tank purchases for the Russian Armed Forces will be specified by September, the vice-premier said. "The purchase parameters will be formalized under a new state armament program," Rogozin said. "In September, it [the state armament program] will be reported in quite an assembled form to the Russian president, including the specified purchase volume for this tank." The new draft state armament program is expected to be submitted to the Defense Ministry and the board of the military and industrial commission in early May, the vice-premier said.

    The T-14 Armata was unveiled for the first time to the public during the military parade in Moscow for the Victory Day, May 9, 2015. During the victory day parade 2015, Russia has unveiled the new Armata and the main armament consists only of a new 125mm gun with no additional weapons on the side of the turret. Second armament of the T-14 Armata includes one remote weapon station mounted on the top rear of the turret armed with one 7.62mm mm machine gun.

    The new unmanned remote turret of T-14 Armata would be equipped with new generation of 125mm 2A82-1M smoothbore gun with an automatic loader and 32 rounds ready to use. The main gun can also fire new laser-guided missile with a range from 7 to 12 km. The T-14 Armata carries a total of 45 rounds. According to some Russian sources, the T-14 Armata could be armed in the future with a new 152mm cannon. The first deliveries of the tank to the Russian Armed Forces was scheduled for 2015.

    Source: Arrow http://www.armyrecognition.com/april_2017_global_defense_security_news_industry/russian_t-14_armata_main_battle_tank_continues_field_trials_tass_82104174.html

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #5

    Post  Vann7 on Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:55 am

    Interesting video. shows some interesting info graphics at the end.



    almost every NATO fanboy is skeptic that Armata will stop
    NATO sabot kinetic rounds and call it Russian propaganda.
    too good to be true. Very Happy

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