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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  Rmf on Sat May 06, 2017 2:49 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    George1 wrote:Αrmata is a monster!
    Great photo. Certainly a larger target than the T-72.
    larger frontal armour and larger engine= gives you greater tank length.
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    Post  Isos on Sat May 06, 2017 2:53 pm

    George1 wrote:Αrmata is a monster!

    For its size the T-90 is more impressive I think. It offers same protection as big tanks for a size almost half lower.
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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri May 12, 2017 12:25 am


    Thermal and IR image of T-14 in motion and warmed up:





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    Post  kvs on Fri May 12, 2017 1:06 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Thermal and IR image of T-14 in motion and warmed up:






    Great post! Now we see one of the advantages of the unmanned turret. It is basically at background temperature. So the real world
    height of the T-14 is lower than it appears since IR detection systems will not be able to effectively resolve the turret.
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    Post  0nillie0 on Fri May 12, 2017 12:22 pm

    kvs wrote:

    Great post!  Now we see one of the advantages of the unmanned turret.   It is basically at background temperature.   So the real world
    height of the T-14 is lower than it appears since IR detection systems will not be able to effectively resolve the turret.  

    Well to be completely fair, in a combat situation the turret should heat up once the stabilizers and electric drives are performing, and even more so when the main gun is firing. The same goes for the barrel of the machine gun inside the RWS, and possibly the electro-optical sensors.
    Still, its a highly interesting perspective.

    Is there any detailed info available about the APU used by the T-14, and where it is located inside the vehicle?

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    Post  Vann7 on Fri May 12, 2017 9:50 pm

    kvs wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Thermal and IR image of T-14 in motion and warmed up:






    Great post!  Now we see one of the advantages of the unmanned turret.   It is basically at background temperature.   So the real world
    height of the T-14 is lower than it appears since IR detection systems will not be able to effectively resolve the turret.  

    Not to mention that if the above image of Armata is correct ,and maintained in a battle field.
    It means Armata have an extremely low heat signature on its armor and turret and that the latest anti tank missiles of US and ISrael ,like Javelin or Spike missiles ,which depends a lot
    on infrared homing will have a difficult time finding the location of the tank ,since its tracks
    that is the only thing that shows heat ,will be covered by the tank body from a top -down looking position. Smile   And from a side position ,the tracks will very likely be hidden by the terrain if they running in uneven soft terrain as the majority of battlefields will be.

    They also should be invisible to Apache helicopters hellfire missiles too. Since it was said the tank will be stealthy to radio emissions too. This means that Russia passive defenses alone
    in combination with the smoke screen ,defenses they use , should be significantly more effective than in previous generation of tanks . and the Armata tank could pose a real challenge to be hit ,by guided modern anti tank missiles. and only rocket unguided grenades
    will not be affected by that ,but their penetrating power is very weak already anyway for a modern tank. I remember in one time years ago ,were Putin himself told in an interview that in the future tanks will be next to impossible to penetrate by anti tank missiles or rocket grenades. and is very likely he was speaking from experience of what the Russia military was developing in armata new tanks.

    In russian winters however ,for sure any tank will be stealthy from infra red guidance. . lol1
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    Post  GarryB on Sun May 14, 2017 10:12 am

    In russian winters however ,for sure any tank will be stealthy from infra red guidance. .

    No.

    Actually hot weather is more of an issue.

    In a normal thermal image a human being stands out as white hot on a dark background.

    When the outside temperature is 38 degrees or hotter than the back ground temperature is the same as a human body so it all looks white and it is hard to find human targets.

    Hot ground also makes hot tanks harder to see.

    Of course the application of materials like Nadezhda will change the surface temperature of the vehicle to close to ambient temperatures so they wont stand out.

    IR guided systems like Javelin would need to be used in manual guidance mode... making it a very expensive underpowered Metis...


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  a-andreich on Thu May 25, 2017 11:54 am


    T-72B3 mod. 2016 and T-90A, top view.
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    Post  Sochi_Olympic_Park on Thu May 25, 2017 1:57 pm

    Tanks will always be the important part of military doctrine of every army. I don`t belive the claims that tanks are obsolete in 21. century warfare. Soviet Union has allways been the pioneer of tank development. Russia today must keep pushing the envelope and developing new tank technologies. Russia must climbed back to the top of tank Olymp.

    What about tank industry in Ukraine ? I have heard that their Oplot tank is utter and complete disaster. Even Thailand canceled the contract to buy Oplot tanks from Ukraine. What is the state of tank industry in Harkov (Ukraine) today ? I heard that KMDB Morozov is in state of total bankruptcy and has been take under control by ukrainian oligarchs and mafia clans in Kiev junta.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu May 25, 2017 2:38 pm

    Sochi_Olympic_Park wrote:Tanks will always be the important part of military doctrine of every army. I don`t belive the claims that tanks are obsolete in 21. century warfare. Soviet Union has allways been the pioneer of tank development. Russia today must keep pushing the envelope and developing new tank technologies. Russia must climbed back to the top of tank Olymp.

    What about tank industry in Ukraine ? I have heard that their Oplot tank is utter and complete disaster. Even Thailand canceled the contract to buy Oplot tanks from Ukraine. What is the state of tank industry in Harkov (Ukraine) today ? I heard that KMDB Morozov is in state of total bankruptcy and has been take under control by ukrainian oligarchs and mafia clans in Kiev junta.

    Ukropistani inbred orcs have not only killed the goose that laid the golden eggs, they got the bones stuck in their throat, and fought over the scraps and feathers. Oplot is a joke, a 3rd-world hunk of garbage, and the once mighty Malyshev plant is a pathetic shadow of its once-glorious past.

    Q - How do you get a Ukropi involved in small business?
    A - Give him a big business, and let him take it from there...
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    Post  Sochi_Olympic_Park on Thu May 25, 2017 2:58 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Sochi_Olympic_Park wrote:Tanks will always be the important part of military doctrine of every army. I don`t belive the claims that tanks are obsolete in 21. century warfare. Soviet Union has allways been the pioneer of tank development. Russia today must keep pushing the envelope and developing new tank technologies. Russia must climbed back to the top of tank Olymp.

    What about tank industry in Ukraine ? I have heard that their Oplot tank is utter and complete disaster. Even Thailand canceled the contract to buy Oplot tanks from Ukraine. What is the state of tank industry in Harkov (Ukraine) today ? I heard that KMDB Morozov is in state of total bankruptcy and has been take under control by ukrainian oligarchs and mafia clans in Kiev junta.

    Ukropistani inbred orcs have not only killed the goose that laid the golden eggs, they got the bones stuck in their throat, and fought over the scraps and feathers.  Oplot is a joke, a 3rd-world hunk of garbage, and the once mighty Malyshev plant is a pathetic shadow of its once-glorious past.

    Q - How do you get a Ukropi involved in small business?
    A - Give him a big business, and let him take it from there...

    The most advanced technology on ukrainian Oplot tank is T-80 chassis, gun and tank systems, hull, autoloader and mechanisms developed and produced in Soviet Union (Leningrad Kirov Plant) by russian constructor Nikolai Popov. Everything else (ukrainian diesel engines, electronics, optics, ammunition, protection systems, armor...etc) is complete junk and crap.
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    Post  jhelb on Wed May 31, 2017 7:39 am

    U.S made Javelin ATGM ineffective against Armata's APS

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40083641
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:38 pm


    Russian troops to start Armata tank operational evaluation in 2019

    http://tass.com/defense/952377
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:08 pm

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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #4

    Post  Benya on Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:14 pm

    Russia is developing a new arctic infantry fighting vehicle based on the T-15 chassis

    The Arctic Rytsar (Knight) has been added to the list of advanced infantry fighting vehicles consisting now of the T-15 based on the Armata platform, B-11 based on the Kurganets-25 combat vehicle, and the wheeled Boomerang. This is a new product from the Kurgan Machine-Building Plant (Kurganmashzavod). Expert Sergei Cherkasov writes about this in newspaper Military Industrial Courier.


    The new IFV will be based on the T-15 chassis

    Undoubtedly, a vehicle customized to local conditions is needed for the Arctic. Combat units must be as autonomous as possible and adapted to climatic conditions. The equipment must not only be operable at all times, but also provide comfortable conditions for people who serve at the edge of the earth. The priority in the Arctic military equipment is given to the engine and running gear. Armament is configured into weapon stations, and the choice can be any, depending on the needs. But in the Arctic, powerful weapons are unlikely to find a worthy target.

    GTEs are capable of operating on any fuel that can be pulverized or emulsified, even on coal, not to mention diesel fuel, natural gas or fuel oil. With long supply lines, the opportunity to fill the IFV from a barrel at a polar weather station is worth much. In the early 2010s, a special IFV intended for use for use in high latitudes was already under development. The project called Arctic was developed by Uralvagonzavod, which used the insights on the two-unit all-terrain vehicles Vityaz. Now, judging from media reports, the Tractor Plants Concern, which includes both Kurganmashzavod and KOBM, has found funds to carry out research and design studies. These efforts should result in an armored all-terrain vehicle available in both two-unit and one-unit versions.

    Source: Arrow http://www.armyrecognition.com/june_2017_global_defense_security_news_industry/russia_developing_new_arctic_ifv_on_t-15_chassis_81506173.html

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