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    [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #5



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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #5

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:07 pm

    Benya did not quote the whole article form izvestia. There were a bit more interesting stuff tho:

    Name = Pterodactl

    scheme = tiltrotor Smile

    Compared to drones controlled by radio, "Pterodactyl" will be able to stay in the air for much longer and to carry more equipment, because you do not have to carry the batteries. Another advantage of the harness of the control system is fully protected from interception.

    Another feature of the "Pterodactyl" is that it is made under the scheme tiltrotor — aircraft propellers which can rotate with the wings. This scheme allows to combine in one machine the advantages of aircraft and helicopters. Due to this, the drone can develop in the air high enough speed to move with the tank at full speed, however, he is able to rise into the air with the small square, including directly from the hull.

    — The idea of a reconnaissance drone, operated by a flexible cable, is not new — the first such decision was implemented in the late 1960-ies on the West German unmanned experimental helicopter Dornier Do-32K. It was operated by a cable and it is getting fuel, — says the "news" military expert Oleg Teltonika. — Currently, the cable interface being used on the Israeli copter Hovermast, but it is not used in the combat car.

    As said Oleg Teltonika, systems, when reconnaissance drone becomes directly part of the combat machine does not exist yet.

    — The use of the lightweight UAV, equipped with a thermal imager and radar system to an external monitoring system seems a logical solution for prospective armored vehicles, a range that exceeds the range of the onboard detection equipment, — said the expert. For example, the main instrument of "Armata was" able to hit a target at a distance of 8 km, and the range of detection of enemy tanks via sighting channel is limited to 5 km. In addition, due to the presence of "Pterodactyl" tank will be able to open up the situation on the battlefield, staying in cover or hiding behind buildings or uneven terrain.

    According to Teltonika, equipping armor external systems of observation, the ability to observe the terrain at least at a distance of 10 km, will provide the "Armata" a distinct advantage over any opponents.


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #5

    Post  chicken on Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:57 am

    Was it this one?


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #5

    Post  Benya on Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:22 pm

    Interesting article. I decided to put it here since it is related to the T-14 at a lot of points

    Uralvagonzavod from Russia to launch new production line of guns for T-14 and T-90MS tanks.

    The Uralvagonzavod (Russian acronym: UVZ) scientific-research corporation will launch an automatized manufacturing line to produce newest high-precision guns for T-14 Armata and T-90MS main battle tanks (MBT), as well as for 2S25 Sprut-SDM air-droppable self-propelled anti-tank gun (SPATG) systems, the Izvestia newspaper said.

    T-14 Armata main battle tank

    High-precision engineering tools allows rapid and precise drilling, rifling, and chrome coating of the bores, providing unique characteristics to the items. The manufacturing line will be integrated with the only enterprise in the country that produces tank guns, namely, Yekaterinburg-based Plant 19. The modified line will produce a new series of 2A46M-5 guns for T-72B3, T-90MS MBTs and Sprut-SDM SPATGs and 2A82-1M for T-14 Armata tanks. The delivery of the first guns to the Ministry of Defense (MoD) is scheduled for 2017. The accuracy of the guns will increase by 15-20%, while the scattering of shots during the firing from place and on the move will be reduced by 1.7 times. The new gun are unofficially named 'sniper' due to their high precision that does not come short of small firearms.

    A representative of the UVZ corporation officially told the Izvestia newspaper that the preparation for the installation of the hardware is ongoing. The modernization of the provision welding fabrication and the beginning of the low-rate initial production of the barrels are planned to be finished next year. All works will be finished within three years, and the manufacturing line will reach its rated capacity. "The whole technological process at the new facility - from components production and boring to final check-out of end products - will be an automatized one. In particular, the engine lathes, routers, and drilling machines have been replaced by a digital multifunctional center. Modern welding outfits will be used to increase the quality of welding and reducing its time. High-precision plasma burners and laser cutters will be exploited to produce details from panel material.

    The Editor of the Arsenal Otechestva magazine, Viktor Murahovskiy told the Izvestia newspaper that the manufacturing of tank guns is one of the most sophisticated technological operations, considering the length of modern barrels.

    T-90MS main battle tank

    "Each micron is important here. The other technological operations related to the further production of a tank gun and its mount with breech end depend on the precision of the processing accuracy. All these [processes] increase the precision and vitality of gun. The less scattering of shot is, the less it requires to conduct a calibration of gun," Murakhovsky said.

    The analyst pointed out that the T-90MS tank is armed with a new 2A46M-5 gun that exceeds not only Russian-originated 2A46 guns of previous generations, but also 120 mm tank gun of NATO countries produced by the Rheinmetall AG corporation in the areas of precision and firepower.

    The 2A46M-5 tank gun has a barrel length of 6 m. The barrel has an elevation angle of +15° and a depression angle of -5°. The gun has a firing rate of up to eight rounds per minute. It should be noted that 2A46M-5 can fire 40 types of rounds, including the armour-piercing subcaliber rounds and Refleks-M guided missiles, Izvestia said.

    The 2A82-1M gun for T-14 Armata tank is supposed to be the most powerful serially produced tank gun. The new has much in common with 2A46M. According to Izvestia, 2A82-1M features advanced firing rate, muzzle velocity, and barrel service life.

    Source: Arrow

    Rifling tools? For what? 90% of the Cold War/Modern era Soviet/Russian MBTs (late T-55s, late T-62s, T-64s, T-72s, T-80s and T-90s, plus the upcoming T-14) are used/using smoothbore guns. In my opinion rifled guns are only a viable option below 120/125mm (105/100mm). Let the British (Challenger 2 with 120mm /L55 rifled gun) and the Romanians (TR-85 with 100mm /L46 rifled "toy gun") use their rifled guns, but let it be their own problem.

    But nevermind, let's return to the Russian guns. For the 2A82-1M, I think that...

    ... Muzzle velocity would be around 1800-1950 m/s (with APDS rounds), or with a cutting-edge, brand new type of propellant, plus an also cutting-edge, super-aerodynamical (and whatnot) APDS round, it could reach a whopping 2000 m/s.

    Firing rate would be around 12-14 rounds/minute (Take the immense heat caused by the fired rounds into account here!)


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    Re: [Official] Armata Discussion Τhread #5

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:29 pm

    Benya wrote:Rifling tools?

    Probably mistranslated ''turning''.

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