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    hoom

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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  hoom on Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:49 am

    This piracy/diplomacy stuff is precisely why Navy need those cheap and cool Bykov-class offshore patrol vessels, it's stupid to waste destroyers on this trivial crap
    On the one hand yes, on the other a 22160 doesn't quite have the presence of something like an Udaloy.
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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:25 pm

    hoom wrote:
    This piracy/diplomacy stuff is precisely why Navy need those cheap and cool Bykov-class offshore patrol vessels, it's stupid to waste destroyers on this trivial crap
    On the one hand yes, on the other a 22160 doesn't quite have the presence of something like an Udaloy.

    It doesn't need one, it has the looks and recent production date

    Udalois are big but they aren't fooling anyone when it comes to age

    And they have way more important things to do than giving tours to onlookers and scaring pirates in speedboats
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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:45 am

    The new boats will do a much better job and be cheaper and probably more comfortable for the crew.

    The pirates would have no chance with either ship....

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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  hoom on Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:44 am

    Severomorsk has stopped in to Sevastopol (first time ever apparently) https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3490582.html

    Getting some repairs done till Feb, has been away from home in North since 29 July 2017!
    Though some of that was at St Petersburg for Navy day, still a very long tour (something something Russian ships have bad reliability Wink ) & presumably if they're doing minor maintenance at Sevastopol it may stay in East Med for a while?
    Though could also be a case of making use of the facilities 'on the way past' to help reduce load on North drydocks post PD-50.


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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  Isos on Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:00 am

    Or it will hunt Turkish subs in case things go bad during their operation in Syria ...

    Minor reperations could have been done in the north. That's more a tactical deployment.

    Ukrainian crisis brings more NATO ships in the Black sea region and in the south US pull out means things will change quickly and Erdogan still thinks he can take a big part of Syria for his "empire".

    An udaloy probably armed with nuks missiles will keep everyone calm.
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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:28 am

    Erdogan still thinks he can take a big part of Syria for his "empire".

    If that was the plan he probably would have gotten a hell of a lot more support from the Americans... they don't give a F about the Kurds... they are there to keep the country split to foil Assad and prevent a close alliance with Iran.

    If erdogan had such a plan the US would have happily supported that... turkey is more likely to be able to create a working self contained region than the Kurds are... and considering the US forces based in Turkey I am sure they want to be friendly more than they want to be hostile... despite whatever pastors get in the way.

    In terms of using these old ships for pirate duty... I suspect some of these pirates really know little about modern naval technology and would not be able to tell the difference between 30mm cannon shells coming at them from an old AK-630 or a brand new Duet system... they would probably see the bigger older ships as being more powerful based merely on size... I doubt they know what stealth shaping is.

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