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    Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

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    AlfaT8

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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  AlfaT8 on Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:08 pm

    hoom wrote:
    Tor isn't deployed in syria and is better than buk against cruise missiles.
    I was mis-remembering the claimed numbers from the big US strike  Embarassed
    But Tor have been spotted at Khmeimim & Iran has apparently lost several of their version (possibly inferior Iran produced version of old monkey model) to Israeli raids.

    ??
    I am not aware of any Syrian Tors in the area.
    Russian ones at the base, yes.

    I don't think Tor has a monkey model.
    Also i am not aware of any Iranian copies of Tor.

    Israel makes a lot of claims, but generally you'd have to be retarded to lose a Tor system.
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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  Isos on Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:51 pm


    Israel makes a lot of claims, but generally you'd have to be retarded to lose a Tor system.

    Well they lost a pantsir by leting it in the middle of a military airport. They would have done the same with tor.

    Iran has bought tor to russia if I'm not wrong. Some israeli and even syrian sources (like the one posting on twitter walid I think) said that iran lost some airdefence systems to israeli attacks. It's unlikely they were using them. Probably stocked in the facilities that have been attacked.

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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  hoom on Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:46 am

    If Pantsir is installed it will be in place of two (or all four?) AK-630´s, like on Adm. Chabanenko.
    Well what the blazes! I'd somehow overlooked that its got 2* Kashtan  Shocked
    Admiral Chabanenko is the sole Udaloy II though, could be a built in change that'd be harder to implement on Udaloy I?

    Looks like they built up the superstructure to allow room for the reloads could be done on Udaloy I as well I guess Suspect
    2* Pantsir-M there would be much better, also would open the RBU area for more Shtil-1, maybe a full 36 cell block?

    60* Shtil-1
    2* Pantsir-M (64* missiles)
    16* UKSK
    8/16* Uran
    Thats feeling like a much more decent armament for a 8,000ton Destroyer.
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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  Hole on Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:19 am

    Don´t know if they really would implement the Shtil-1 (Buk) instead of Kinzhal (Tor). The current model would need guidance radars = larger refit program.

    Pantsir and Kinzahl should be good enough. There´s a new missile for Pantsir with a range of 35 - 40 km. And the developer was talking about a newer version with hypersonic speed an a range of 60 or even 80 km.

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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  hoom on Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:00 pm

    The current model would need guidance radars = larger refit program.
    Yes but MR90 are small & existing tech, removing the large Kinzhal directors would make plenty of space for a couple each end, shouldn't be a problem to run cabling through same ducting.
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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:15 am


    Shaposhnikov in overhaul. It looks like there is way more room on that thing that I previously thought.

    Any fresh guesses about what will they drop in it? That space cleared out by removing gun is copious...

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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  Isos on Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:19 am

    There was a commercial add showing UKSK instead of the gun and instead of the inclined launchers.

    It would be 3*8 launchers for oniks and kalibr. Which is very good for a destroyer.

    If they replace the rdars, it could be more usefull to add 2 redut instead of the gun or instead of a uksk to have decent AA system.
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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  George1 on Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:37 am

    i am anxious to see the first modernized ship

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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  hoom on Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:11 am

    There was a commercial add showing UKSK instead of the gun and instead of the inclined launchers. wrote:
    This, its an ad displaying launcher options for Klub/Kalibr rather than a specific upgrade proposal.
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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:35 am


    They already striped down that elevated part so this won't be done.

    Interesting thing is that they also removed crane in the back to free up space so something might be happening there too.

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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  hoom on Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:46 am

    They already striped down that elevated part so this won't be done.
    Interesting point, hadn't previously noticed they've knocked that area under the gun down to deck level.

    Not obviously making a hole for new VLS yet.
    Also no sign of pulling out the Kinzhal.
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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  Stealthflanker on Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:52 am

    Hole wrote:

    Pantsir and Kinzahl should be good enough. There´s a new missile for Pantsir with a range of 35 - 40 km. And the developer was talking about a newer version with hypersonic speed an a range of 60 or even 80 km.

    It's either Pantsyr or Kinzhal. Having both are rather redundant and share same weaknesses namely the limited target channel. There is a risk of inability to handle saturation strike delivered by enemy. This require bit of range and some autonomy which where either Redut or Shtil comes in handy.

    The latest Shtil atm is using the active radar homing 9M317A. This is rather should be the weapon of choice to complement the Kinzhal or Pantsyr.
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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:31 pm

    Pic of Adm Chabanenko in refit, taken 18/08

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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  Hole on Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:59 pm

    I wonder if they use that space between the gun and the bridge for something useful. Question

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