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    PapaDragon

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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:58 am


    Destroyers Admiral Chebanenko and Marshal Shaposhnikov undergoing overhaul:





    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/101862/
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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  Big_Gazza on Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:18 am

    Nice pic of a the Adm Panteleev on exercise deploying an IR decoy against AShMs. Never seen a pic of this before Very Happy

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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:18 am

    To simulate a ship in IR you need a pattern of heat, not just a few extreme points of heat like a road flare.

    That shower or curtain of sparks forms a more complex pattern of heat that is more likely to fool an IR sensor into thinking there is a large ship there... It often contains metallic material (chaff) to give it a radar return as well...


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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  Isos on Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:11 am

    GarryB wrote:To simulate a ship in IR you need a pattern of heat, not just a few extreme points of heat like a road flare.

    That shower or curtain of sparks forms a more complex pattern of heat that is more likely to fool an IR sensor into thinking there is a large ship there... It often contains metallic material (chaff) to give it a radar return as well...

    How long it stays in the air ? I ve seen a video of french chaff that were lunched and then exploding again and again above the water.

    Lunching them for a few sec won't work. They have to be lunched before the missile goes active and stay as long as there is the missile in the air.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:51 am

    Will the chabanenko get UKSKs?
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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:33 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Will the chabanenko get UKSKs?

    Yes

    Better informed folks say that they are to get 2 UKSK launchers each (2x8 cells) but until there is official confirmation assume that they will be getting just 1 (to be on the safe side)
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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:37 am

    Lunching them for a few sec won't work. They have to be lunched before the missile goes active and stay as long as there is the missile in the air.

    The decoys are intended to distract the incoming missile and remain useful for a minute or so normally AFAIK.

    They don't have to be effective before the incoming missile goes active... launching a decoy and then activating 'noise' jammers means a new target appears and the existing target becomes hard to get a proper lock on to, so it goes for the decoys instead.

    The common twin barrel PK-2 launcher is a 140mm calibre weapon firing rockets weighing just under 40kg each and carries 100 rockets that can set up a decoy target from 500m to 6km from the target ship.


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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:12 am

    The Marshal Shaposhnikov, a destroyer from the Russian Pacific Fleet, caught fire on Friday morning while anchored in Vladivostok. Eleven fire trucks and 48 personnel were dispatched to the port to fight the blaze. All 106 crew members on board were safely evacuated.

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    The incident happened during welding works, and it is believed that either the ship's hull or the repair tools accidentally caught fire, a source told Interfax, adding there are no weapons or any other crucial equipment on board.

    https://www.rt.com/news/418957-russian-destroyer-on-fire/



    (what's with the music? I guess this is someones idea of a joke.... 5th columnist retard no doubt)


    Hmmm... another fire caused by some idiot with a welder, getting to be a regular occurence on Russian yards... They should nail his head to the mast as a warning to the others.... on second thoughts, the HSE rep might not approve, ad the media would find some angle to complain about...
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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  Isos on Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:31 am

    They really have issues with fires ... they should recrut some quality ingineers to control work in the shipyards. They clearly don't respect rules.

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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  hoom on Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:00 am

    Yes the fires are too much.
    There was also one on Neustrashimy on 14th, plus the minesweeper in 2016, a bunch of subs in refit over the years.

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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  Peŕrier on Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:41 pm

    Any welding, whether it is spot welding or arc welding or whatsoever, is always at risk to start fires.

    The more so in an old hull where almost any spot could be contaminated with oils or others inflammables substances.

    in almost any yard there are many fire incidents even when working in new built hulls, so it is not that weird to have such incidents while working on old hulls, that are likely contaminated in almost any spot with inflammable substances.

    What is worrisome is the frequency with which damage containment squads are unable to suppress those incidents: either there is a lack of focus during such works, or there is something works with standard safety procedures.

    Or it could be that sometimes proper decontaminations practices are not put in places before starting such kind of activities: any room where a fire hazard work should be performed, have usually to be decontaminated from any inflammable fluid or material, even paint should be removed if not fire-proof.

    It is nothing dramatic, just a classical case of better to worry before than to be sorrow after.
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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  Isos on Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:39 am

    Peŕrier wrote:Any welding, whether it is spot welding or arc welding or whatsoever, is always at risk to start fires.

    The more so in an old hull where almost any spot could be contaminated with oils or others inflammables substances.

    in almost any yard there are many fire incidents even when working in new built hulls, so it is not that weird to have such incidents while working on old hulls, that are likely contaminated in almost any spot with inflammable substances.

    What is worrisome is the frequency with which damage containment squads are unable to suppress those incidents: either there is a lack of focus during such works, or there is something works with standard safety procedures.

    Or it could be that sometimes proper decontaminations practices are not put in places before starting such kind of activities: any room where a fire hazard work should be performed, have usually to be decontaminated from any inflammable fluid or material, even paint should be removed if not fire-proof.

    It is nothing dramatic, just a classical case of better to worry before than to be sorrow after.

    Well, it can be dramatic. Many of those fires killed poeple. I think India lost a submarine because of an accidental fire. They are suppose to know what they are doing and be quick to react when a fire starts. Russian shipyard have a real issue with that.
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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:16 am


    Nothing unexpected, not here nor anywhere else.

    Poor safety discipline and low fire safety standards.

    Both easily fixed with boot up the ass and drastic paycheck cuts. All it takes is a will.
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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 18, 2018 11:47 pm

    Project 956 Sovremennyy-class destroyer "Bezboyaznennyy" transferred at the Patriot Park in Kronstadt for exhibition.

    Thus, out of the 17 destroyers of Project 956, which joined the Navy of the USSR and Russia, now only three ships remained in the Navy - the "Bystryy" in the Pacific Fleet, "Admiral Ushakov" (ex-Besstrashnyy) in the Northern Fleet and "Nastoychivyy" in the Baltic Fleet (the last ship is under repair at JSC "33 ship repair plant" in Baltiysk).

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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  walle83 on Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:18 am

    George1 wrote:Project 956 Sovremennyy-class destroyer "Bezboyaznennyy"  transferred at the Patriot Park in Kronstadt for exhibition.

    Thus, out of the 17 destroyers of Project 956, which joined the Navy of the USSR and Russia, now only three ships remained in the Navy - the "Bystryy" in the Pacific Fleet, "Admiral Ushakov" (ex-Besstrashnyy) in the Northern Fleet and "Nastoychivyy" in the Baltic Fleet (the last ship is under repair at JSC "33 ship repair plant" in Baltiysk).

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3165020.html

    One less destroyer for the Russian navy. Nice that they will keep it as a museum anyway
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    Re: Udaloy and Sovremennyy destroyers

    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:51 pm

    I hope they retain 1 unit of the Akula/Typhoons and the Kirovs. They are worthy of permanent preservation as icons from the Soviet period.

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