Oh you know, eradicating Afghani villages just for the sake of defense.
Like the Americans in South Vietnam... the Soviets were invited. If Russia must apologise for that then so must the US for giving all that money to the Pakistani ISI who then used that money to later create the Taleban... a group the Pakistani government actually thought was a good thing for Afghanistan. Communism would have been better even if it didn't end in the early 1990s like it did in Europe.
If US = Bad guys and Russia = Good guys, then why not be the better man and just apologize? Why wait so long? With over a million dead Afghanis due to the Soviet wake, I think they much rather be invaded by the U.S.
Oh you know, oppression of political believes and the etc that I will put at the end of the sentence.
Oppression of political beliefs? The American policy of better dead than red is clearly oppression of communism. And before you say communism is evil you are in bed with the Chinese economically to the eyebrows. If you had treated the Soviet Union like you treat China there wouldn't have been a cold war. It had nothing to do with communism... it was about the colonial power of Russia... but being a colonial power yourself and your allies in Europe you had to focus on something else so you picked the fact that only communist party members get to vote in elections in communist countries.
Actually, Chinese policies lately has been Fascist. Patriotic War v.2?
You said it yourself: "The Russians have written in law that any attack on Russia that they perceive as a strategic threat will result in direct nuclear retaliation... even if the attack was conventional." I'm sure that Russia saw that Georgia could of freed the EU from the chains of their Energy monopoly, which would severely deplete Russian funds for military projects.
Russia has an energy monopoly to Europe because Europe is too cheap to buy it from countries that charge more. They buy Russian gas and oil because it is cheaper and there is already delivery pipes in place since before the cold war ended. The only problems with delivery have been created by the new country of the Ukraine that has been pinching gas that was paid for by Europe. Russia is now building alternative pipelines to solve that problem. The gas pipeline through Georgia may never be competitive. If it was then Russia is already building pipelines to supply China and South Korea and possibly Japan.
If all the pipelines were suddenly blocked as Medvedev said they can simply build a plant to convert it to liquid natural gas and ship it... and charge more because LNG is more expensive.
LOL, do you have no idea how Capitalism works? Of course Europe is going to buy from Russia, wouldn't even need tanker, just a big pipeline. Anything cheap is good for Capitalists, except when they're crap like MiGs.
And yet no thought has come into actually stimulating the economy and making some actual Economic changes
Half their economic problems came from the privatisation in the Yeltsin years where the rich and powerful few Russians had the funds to buy up everything cheap. These people that buy British newspapers and soccer teams that the west loves so much because of their money... they had the power, money and connections to buy up all the ex soviet industries cheap because they are the high ranking communists the west hated a few years before. The reason the military coup against Yeltsin failed was because the powers that normally would crush democracy realised how much money they could make and just let communism fall.
They bought up factories and what do you know the equipment is old and obsolete... but the workers pension funds are fat and juicy. Fire most of the workers sell off anything that is worth anything and then pinch the retirement money of all those workers and put it in offshore bank accounts. Then declare the factory worthless and sell it for more than you paid for it. Millions of Russians saw their economic security disappear to the west to buy soccer clubs.
Then Putin got into office and all of a sudden the west started demonising Russia again... it had committed the same crime Iran did with the fall of the Shah. Nationalise parts of its industry to prevent foreign ownership and exploitation.
2008 was a wake up call that reminded the Russian military that when you don't buy new stuff for 20 years problems can become fundamental. I rather doubt they thought their role in Georgia would be any more than peacekeeping, for which their forces were more than adequate.
Which is a problem in Russia, not the Privatization of it's economy but how it was handled.
...instead of selling old crap and kinda new crap to other people while taking away the best of the best from their boys on the front line?
They took nothing away from their boys on the front line. The MIC and Armed forces are two separate things. A sale of T-90s to India for instance has no effect on the Russian Armed forces except for that production capacity is tied up while the order is met, and the money spent on the T-90 by India is used by that company to try to improve the vehicle and their other products as best they can.
The point is that the Russian Armed forces has enormous problems with munitions and equipment in storage that need to be dealt with. Some munitions are getting old and unstable.
How does T-90s have to do with Planes?
Those Tu-22M3 wouldn't have been shot down if maybe they had some functional UAVs in theatre.
Those? How many were shot down? The Tu-22M3 is seen in the west as a bomber. In actual fact there are several variants of the aircraft in service, including a maritime missile carrying attack aircraft, a bomber whose primary role is theatre strike against ADs, and a recon model. It was the Recon model that was used in Georgia, but the recon model hasn't had an upgrade since the 1980s so it clearly was the wrong aircraft to send in hindsight. In real time however a neighbouring country has launch an invasion against an area Russia is responsible for keeping the peace in and has attacked directly Russian peacekeeping troops. The first thing you do is check what satellites are in place and then you send in a recon aircraft to determine the enemies forces disposition and strengths. If the Russians had know the Georgians had SA-11s then obviously they would not likely have sent a recon model of the Backfire and would have sent in an Su-34 straight away.
From what I can tell they sent the Su-34 in to jam the Buk and ground forces overran the SAM position. Seems like the new stuff works fine, but obviously UAVs would have been better. Hense the post conflict focus on UAV development.
Oh I'm sorry I tingled your political correctness thumb. That Tu-22MR wouldn't have been shot down. Yeah, sorry to say, that incident was almost as laughable as the U2 shoot down.
You've mistaken, Russian radars went berzerk. Keyword: Russian.
Duh. The radars are directed by the AD network. You can't hack a radar. You hack the network directing the radars. If they could hack the radars then they could make their aircraft simply not visible rather than getting the radars to turn so as to not have the Israeli aircraft in the field of view as they passed.
The Network was worked on by the French... just like the Iraqi AD network was largely Russian radars but the network was not Russian.
A back door is something BUILT INTO THE SOFTWARE. The Russians are hardly going to give such information to the Israelis or US. The French however might.
Queue the hackers!
If Russian AD systems had a kill switch for export, you'd assume the ones passed down and later sold like those Buks that were sold to Georgia would also have a kill switch yet that Tu-22M3 still went down, along with a bunch of Su-25s.
If the Russians knew there was a BUK system operating in Georgia do you think they would send an unarmed recon plane?
The BUKs were sold to Georgia by the Ukraine... NOT Russia.
They couldn't check Wikipedia? The Russian wiki is quite large you know.
Uh, check your numbers again, .001 m2 is F-35 frontal aspect, F-22 is .0001 m2. That's because the F-35's frontal RCS is estimated at -30 dbs and the F-22's at -40 dbs.
Don't believe it. And even if you do we are talking downgraded export F-35s.
"From the front quarter the Raptor’s 0.0001 square meter Radar Cross Section (RCS) and the Lightning II’s 0.001 square metres make them difficult targets."
An AESA =/= Hybrid ESA.
WTF is a hybrid ESA? You are making that up.
It is an active electronically scanned array. AESA.
I told you that you need to read more.
No QWIPs on Su-35s if you didn't remember the argument. Still not seeing it.
We don't know what equipment the in service Su-35 will have. It is described as a testing bed for technologies of a 5th gen fighter... which would be the T-50.
Which might or might not get an OLS with QWIPs for improved performance.
Because it's not designed for maneuverability. But AA-13 range is irrelevant because again, a Sukhoi or a MiG wouldn't see a F-35 coming.
Why wouldn't a Sukhoi or Mig see an F-35 coming? Are they planning to operate completely independently of the Russian air defence network? The F-35 isn't designed for manoeuvrability either, and I would like to see the manoeuvre that dodges a mach 6 missile diving in from out of nowhere.
S-400 and S-300 for that matter have lots of interesting radars linked to them including all sorts of passive and long wave radars... including AESAs BTW because making low frequency AESAs is actually not that hard because the TR modules are not that small.
Do F-22/35s plan to operate independently? Again, the problem is that an AA-13 has zilch chance of being used against a F-35, mostly because a Su-35 will not see a F-35 from: 400 km, 300 km, and 200 km. At 100 km is the range that would be probably.
As for S-400s, meet JASSM, she's a long fella, might have to stand on your tippy toes to kiss her.
In which case JASSM would do the trick. They already out range the non-existent 40N6 missile that the S-400 uses.
What is the point? Using stand off range to fire JASSMs just gives Pantsir-S1 lots of JASSMs to destroy like it was designed to do.
SAM site remains active and ready to deal with any threat trying to attack whatever it is protecting.
And I rather doubt they will bother to tell anyone when their 400km range missile is in service. Why would they? It can simply be a surprise.
Wait, weren't those the Pantsirs that failed in Syria? And wait, why is there so much JASSMs, JDAMs, Hellfires, Mavericks, HARMs?!?!
Yeah lol, then lets pretend that America has a space battleship that no one knows about because we plan to bombard Russian facilities with rail guns.
Yeah, now you're talking about Aliens. I thought we were in Reality.
Yeah... excellent point. Ignore everything I said and don't even think about it and just say there is no such thing as aliens.
You are clearly not interested in a discussion... you just want to argue that the US is invincible and Russia can't stop them not matter what.
Well if that helps you sleep at night fine... Russia would never use nuclear weapons because deep down they want the US and NATO to invade and take all their resources and land and rule them like they did the Native Americans.... you know... to death.
Funny thing is that they didn't seem to want to let Hitler do that, so what has changed?
Never said there weren't aliens, just that you can prove shit about them.
You are clearly not interested in a discussion... you just want to argue that the Russia is invincible and US can't stop them no matter what.
Well if that helps you sleep at night fine... US would never use nuclear weapons because deep down they want the Russia and CIS to invade and take all their resources and land and rule them like they did the Ukrainians, Belrussians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Moldavians, Kazakzstanis, Geogian, Turkmenistanians, do I really have to go on? .... you know... to death.
lol, the Soviet Union was always behind us in Economic strength, they didn't win the Cold War if you didn't know.
Yet when you count the nuke warheads that really didn't matter.
Because they were both scared of each other like you said. You are so smart, guessed my thoughts 4 replies away.
And, we never conquered them, so why are you assuming NATO being assimilated?
You invaded and interfered in the 1917-1921 revolution and then from 1945 you economically sanctioned them into a corner and kept poking them with a stick. NATO countries have invaded Russia lots of time, including Germany, France, Poland (yes in 1921... look it up), even Sweden.
Why am I assuming NATO wants to assimilate them!!!!
You are the one talking about F-35s penetrating their airspace at will and shooting down all the fighters they haven't even put into service yet without even being seen!
The sins of our fathers, the sins of our young. So, Russia planning to attack Mongolia again? Better stop those horsemen before Moskva gets turned into prairie land.
I personally like America's Economic empire better.
The same reason the Germans loved the Nazis... they didn't see the concentration camps or watch the genocide.
They just benefited economically from it and ignored the bad stuff.
Just remember if it all goes t!ts up just deny deny deny, or say you were just following orders.
But of course you know, Russian media is trust worthy and since I watch Russia Today, I should know of this stuff. Too bad Russians are still watching Russia today.
All in all, I thought you said Russia was smart. If they were, disarmament is the only option for the world.
Yes, Pinky, you know the plan... the same plan we use every time to take over the world. Disarm everyone and we can take over the world with a butter knife...
Maybe we could be courageous like the Greatest Generation and swarm Pinky with our arms?
Yeah, I support a tree hugging world, better than your idea of paradise, where we all bath in a thousand suns.
Maybe you're lost, here's my GPS-equipped iTouch. Or do they just not have our fancy technology out there?
You were talking about reality before like it meant something?
Have you not heard of GLONASS?
I realise Navstar was too hard to spell and they went for GPS, but the problem there is like the problem with Spetsnaz. It is too generic.
A map and compass is a global position system.
The Soviet Tsiklon GPS system became operational before Navstar in 1972 and is still used by the Russian Space Forces.
There are probably a dozen or so GPS systems that have been or are in operation.
But of course only the American system is important enough to count.
Look ma! I did it first, I did it first!
Yeah, heard of GLONASS and all the shame it has given Russia. Get a full constellation up and then you're a GPS.
Then obviously someone has to pay attention to New Zealand before they turn into a Red Superpower.
The amusing irony is that some of your replies are probably more effective in that regard than anything I have said or think.
Sad thing is you don't seem to realise.
Of course, my motives aren't exactly known, how far I've planned ahead, how your replies would be, and how to manipulate them further.