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    Re: General Questions Thread:

    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:02 pm

    The makers of the ARH seeker of the R-77 have produced a smaller ARH seeker which they claim is for existing model missiles including a SAM and an AAM. Because of the size of the new seeker I have worked out that the only two possible missiles they could be talking about are the SA-8 and perhaps SA-15 and the AA-11.

    Both the SA-8 and SA-15 are cheap command guided missiles, while the AA-11 is of course IR guided, so the addition of an ARH seeker would make for a very interesting situation where you could have short range fire and forget AAMs like the AMRAAM over shorter ranges. The missile would be small enough to be carried by all sorts of aircraft including helos.

    Such a weapon could be used as a self defence anti missile missile especially against ARH missiles as with its own radar seeker it could detect the radar emissions of an incoming AMRAAM and passively home in on the signal with an appropriately set proximity fuse it should be quite effective....

    Even more advanced technologies are emerging that go one step further, and allow secure “hand-off” of a fired K 100 to allied fighters.

    There are reports that one of the functions of the A-100 AWACS is to guide AAMs launched by fighters onto targets those fighters can't see or haven't seen because they have remained radar silent.

    During testing of the R-37M an Su-30M was used to transmit target data to a Mig-31M that had not been fitted with an upgraded radar and it managed to hit a target with a missile flight distance of 300km which is beyond the capability of the standard Mig-31 radar to detect and track unless it was huge or emitting like an AWACS.

    Under these circumstances the only available option for an aircraft to avoid being hit by such missiles is to have an Active Protection System.

    Or a towed decoy/jammer... most radars can be jammed and the radars you can fit into a fairly tiny missile are easier to deal with than much larger sets in the noses of aircraft.
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    Re: General Questions Thread:

    Post  Sujoy on Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:33 pm

    GarryB wrote:The makers of the ARH seeker of the R-77 have produced a smaller ARH seeker which they claim is for existing model missiles including a SAM and an AAM. Because of the size of the new seeker I have worked out that the only two possible missiles they could be talking about are the SA-8 and perhaps SA-15 and the AA-11.

    Both the SA-8 and SA-15 are cheap command guided missiles, while the AA-11 is of course IR guided, so the addition of an ARH seeker would make for a very interesting situation where you could have short range fire and forget AAMs like the AMRAAM over shorter ranges. The missile would be small enough to be carried by all sorts of aircraft including helos.

    Such a weapon could be used as a self defence anti missile missile especially against ARH missiles as with its own radar seeker it could detect the radar emissions of an incoming AMRAAM and passively home in on the signal with an appropriately set proximity fuse it should be quite effective....

    Even more advanced technologies are emerging that go one step further, and allow secure “hand-off” of a fired K 100 to allied fighters.

    There are reports that one of the functions of the A-100 AWACS is to guide AAMs launched by fighters onto targets those fighters can't see or haven't seen because they have remained radar silent.

    During testing of the R-37M an Su-30M was used to transmit target data to a Mig-31M that had not been fitted with an upgraded radar and it managed to hit a target with a missile flight distance of 300km which is beyond the capability of the standard Mig-31 radar to detect and track unless it was huge or emitting like an AWACS.

    Under these circumstances the only available option for an aircraft to avoid being hit by such missiles is to have an Active Protection System.

    Or a towed decoy/jammer... most radars can be jammed and the radars you can fit into a fairly tiny missile are easier to deal with than much larger sets in the noses of aircraft.

    GarryB , another development , IMHO , that necessitates the need for an Active Protection System is the coming of age of laser-beam riding semi-active command to line of sight (SACLOS) guidance technique .


    The missile is outfitted with a solid propellant booster motor. When the operator fires the missile, the booster motor is ignited inside the launch tube and the missile is accelerated out of the tube. The control surfaces and the four fins open into position as the missile leaves the tube. The sustainer motor ignites after the missile has travelled a safe distance from the launch position.
    The booster is subsequently jettisoned. These missiles have laser beam riding guidance, riding a laser signal being beamed from its own launch station, rather than being guided from the front towards the reflected signal from a laser designated target. The missile operator can locate a hostile target visually or the target can be detected by a search radar. When the target is acquired, the operator tracks the target and the friend or foe system interrogates the target. If the target is identified as friendly, a warning light in the sight is illuminated and the firing sequence is halted. The operator aims the missile towards the target, fires and tracks the target, thus aiming the laser guidance beam continuously at the target until the moment of impact.

    As the laser beam riding guidance of these missiles is located in the tail of the missile, it is extremely difficult to jam it, since the missile has no seeker head at the front.
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    Re: General Questions Thread:

    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:12 am

    I am quite familiar with laser beam riding missiles... the Soviets and Russians have plenty... most of their current tank main gun launched guided missiles use laser beam riding as does Kornet and the new Kornet EM.

    These are not nearly as much a problem for aircraft as the beam riding guidance limits them to line of sight and short engagement range.

    Many laser beam riding missiles use autotrackers to follow the target automatically to make the engagement easier so in theory DIRCMs that can detect the laser source should be able to direct a dazzler at the launch platform while manouvering to attempt to break the lock.

    Beam riding missiles are however a very real threat.
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    Re: General Questions Thread:

    Post  Sujoy on Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:42 pm

    RAFAEL has demonstrated key elements for an active defense system for helicopters, designed to protect from unguided weapons such as Rocket Propelled Grenades (RPG). The new system is called "Fliker".

    Fliker is designed as an add-on defensive layer, augmenting existing warning systems and countermeasures used on combat helicopters. As such, it will be activated after all other measures have failed to defeat the threat, meaning the time remaining for engagement and the distance to the target are shortest. To minimize response time Manor designers developed a new launcher for this application, combining pyrotechnic charges and high speed electrical motors to achieve very high traverse rate, while aiming at the target with high accuracy to achive effective kill without initiating the RPG’s explosive charge. (the same counter-RPG concept is used in hard kill systems on tanks).
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    Re: General Questions Thread:

    Post  GarryB on Tue May 01, 2012 9:14 am

    The main problem however is that most such systems for tanks have a much easier task as damage to the incoming shaped charge warhead does not have to be that severe to greatly reduce penetration performance.

    For a helo however the incoming threat can simply be an HE FRAG and hitting it with a munition could actually set off a warhead that might otherwise have simply flown past if it was off by a few degrees.

    RPGs have a self destruction feature that operates at about 900-950m or so, so one tactic is to launch them about 900m from the Helos location so they airburst around the helo.

    Of course the standard RPG warhead is optimised for penetrating armour... it would not be that difficult to devise a warhead optimised for directing a large amount of high velocity fragments forward at a helo target... that could be designed to be initiated by an active defence system.

    Against Helos such a thing would make it more effective, and against tanks it offers the potential to damage optics and externally mounted equipment... and could even damage the sensors or munitions used by the APS.

    Of course the best protection is to not hover when flying low... I remember the west claiming the Hind was underpowered because they very rarely hovered, but the truth of the matter is that the Soviets had learned that a hovering helo is a target.
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    Could Russian Air Force be interesting in HAL Medium Combat Aircraft?

    Post  George1 on Wed May 02, 2012 2:19 pm

    The Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), formerly known as the Medium Combat Aircraft (MCA), is a single-seat, twin-engine fifth-generation stealth multirole fighter being developed by India. It will complement the HAL Tejas, the Sukhoi/HAL FGFA, the Sukhoi Su-30MKI and the Dassault Rafale, which emerged as the lowest bidder in the MMRCA tender of the Indian Air Force. Unofficial design work on the AMCA has been started. A naval version is confirmed as Indian Navy also contributed to the funding.

    The AMCA will be designed with a very small radar cross-section and will also feature serpentine shaped air-intakes, internal weapons and the use of composites and other materials.

    It will be a twin-engined design using the GTX Kaveri engine with thrust vectoring with the possibility of giving the aircraft supercruise capabilities.[2] A wind-tunnel testing model of the MCA airframe was seen at Aero-India 2009.

    As well as advanced sensors the aircraft will be equipped with missiles like DRDO Astra and other advanced missiles, stand-off weapons and precision weapons. The aircraft will have the capability to deploy Precision Guided Munitions. The aircraft will feature extended detection range and targeting range with the ability to release weapons at supersonic speeds. The aircraft's avionics suite will include AESA radar, IRST and appropriate electronic warfare systems and all aspect missile warning suite.

    As of August 2011, the aircraft is in its preliminary design phase. The final design is expected to be shown to the air force by 2012, after which full scale development on the aircraft may start.
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    Re: General Questions Thread:

    Post  TR1 on Wed May 02, 2012 10:52 pm

    In reality, no.
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    Re: General Questions Thread:

    Post  GarryB on Thu May 03, 2012 8:35 am

    They might be interested if a Russian company was involved like Mig, but otherwise I don't think so.

    In 10 years time they might look at a lighter 5th gen fighter, but the PAK FA will be a medium weight fighter too, so I doubt they will want such similar aircraft programs.
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    Re: General Questions Thread:

    Post  George1 on Thu May 03, 2012 3:56 pm

    GarryB wrote:They might be interested if a Russian company was involved like Mig, but otherwise I don't think so.

    In 10 years time they might look at a lighter 5th gen fighter, but the PAK FA will be a medium weight fighter too, so I doubt they will want such similar aircraft programs.

    PAK-FA is a heavy fighter at 35 tons. HAL MCA is a medium weight like F-35
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    Re: General Questions Thread:

    Post  medo on Thu May 03, 2012 4:39 pm

    I think MiG and Sukhoi are capable to design and build MCA by their own without HAL.
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    Re: General Questions Thread:

    Post  GarryB on Fri May 04, 2012 2:39 am

    PAK-FA is a heavy fighter at 35 tons. HAL MCA is a medium weight like F-35

    PAK FA is smaller and lighter than the Su-27 series... the weight class of a fighter is normally taken as normal weight not maximum weight. The PAK FA is expected to have a normal operating weight of 20-22 tons which pretty much puts it directly between the Mig-29 and Su-27 in weight.

    And the simple fact is that the Mig-29 and Su-27 are already too close in terms of weight and other areas... the Mig-29 would have benefitted greatly from being in the 10-15 ton class to reduce purchase and operational costs.

    It would be the same for stealth aircraft... the lighter aircraft needs significantly lower purchase and operational costs because the whole point of its existence is to be the numbers aircraft that can replace the large numbers of existing non stealthy aircraft in service.

    The F-35 is failing because it will end up more expensive than the F-22 and few countries will be able to afford it in the numbers they need. The ironic result will likely be greatly reduced order volumes which will drive prices up even further because the economies of scale only work with large numbers of products made.

    Most countries will reduce the order numbers of the F-35 and use it as their F-22 with their 4th gen fighters getting upgrades and life extensions or even remaining in production much longer than intended and they will change doctrine.

    Previously the large numbers of F-35s were going to clear the enemy skies of aircraft and then when enemy air power is no longer a threat they would use external stores and lose their stealth and engage ground targets.

    With fewer aircraft it is likely that they will use the F-35s to gain air supremacy and then use older models for the ground support role along with the reduced number of F-35s.
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    Re: General Questions Thread:

    Post  TR1 on Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:38 pm

    What is the S-57 trainer?
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    Re: General Questions Thread:

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:34 pm

    I mean S-54 Embarassed
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    Re: General Questions Thread:

    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:14 am

    The S-54 exists in model form only and AFAIK there is no actual service requirement for such an aircraft.

    Lead in fighter trainers really don't benefit much in being supersonic... it burns a lot of fuel very rapidly and greatly reduces effective range.

    I rather suspect interception and fighter missions will be largely left to fighters and interceptors.

    Note the Yak-130s belong to the Air Force... most of the Army air corp operate helos, so only the frogfoot pilots would benefit from flying the Yak-130 and to be honest they could probably go from piston engined aircraft to the Yak-130 briefly to the Su-25UB fairly rapidly.


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    RCS Detectability

    Post  Sujoy on Sat Sep 08, 2012 5:37 pm

    A fighter jet has 1 m^2 rcs and is located at 200nmi. Where would a flock of birds with 0.0015 m^2 rcs should be located in order to have the same detectability?
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    Re: General Questions Thread:

    Post  Stealthflanker on Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:22 am

    Sujoy wrote:A fighter jet has 1 m^2 rcs and is located at 200nmi. Where would a flock of birds with 0.0015 m^2 rcs should be located in order to have the same detectability?

    Use our famous and commonly used 4th root equation for radar range...

    200 NMI is 370,4 km so..

    ((0.0015/1)^(0,25))*370,4=72,89 km or 32 NMI
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    Re: General Questions Thread:

    Post  Sujoy on Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:18 am

    Thanks StealthFlanker . Will try this.
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    Is there a Russian equivalent of the AC-130?

    Post  collegeboy16 on Thu Nov 22, 2012 3:18 pm

    Well, just like the title says... I went to a quick wiki-freefall with this one but I failed to find an equivalent(maybe I didn't search that hard Razz )
    But anyways, I find the AC-130 very effective when it comes to pulverizing targets rapidly,relatively cheaply and for an extended period of time. However, I do find it very vulnerable to modern ADS that would just chew the ~200 million dollar aircraft.
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    Re: General Questions Thread:

    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:57 am

    There is no equivalent to the spooky gunship.


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    Classified/Black Program

    Post  Austin on Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:57 pm

    I was wondering if Russia has program similar to Pentagon Black Program ?

    We have recently seen how stealth UAV got exposed when it was down in Iran.

    Never heard of such classified Black Project program in Russia

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    Re: General Questions Thread:

    Post  TR1 on Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:30 pm

    Everything (well, a lot of things) used to be black projects in USSR days.

    These days military has become much more open, but if they want details to stay secret (until they deem it fine to release) like in the case of T-50, they stay secret.
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    Re: General Questions Thread:

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:35 am

    In this case Black just means secret... so of course Russia has plenty of Black programs... including the next generation replacement small arms family that they say little about while the AK12 takes all the attention, or the Armata, Kurganets, Boomerang vehicle families that we have only seen models of thus far.

    We haven't seen new model Vityaz missile systems, little has been released about the Kh-32, etc etc.

    The problem with real black Russian programs is that they really do know how to keep a secret.


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    Su-35 vs MiG-35

    Post  indochina on Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:25 am

    The plane is more powerful? MiG-35 or Su-35 ! Such points dogfight, BVR, WVR?

    MiG-35

    Aircraft performance
    Technical characteristics

        Crew: 1 or 2 people (MiG-35/MiG-35D)
        Length: 17.3 m
        Wingspan: 11.99 m
        Height: 4.73 m
        Wing Area: 42m ²
        Weight:
            empty: 11000 kg
            off weight: 17,500 kg
            Maximum takeoff: 23,500 kg
            Fuel: 4800 kg
        Engines: 2 × turbofan with thrust vectoring "RD-33MKV"
            Thrust:
                max: 2 × 5400 kg
                afterburner: 2 × 9000 kg
            Thrust vector deflection angles: ± 15 ° vertical, ± 8 ° in any direction
            A thrust speed: 60 ° / sec
            Engine weight: 1055 kg
        EPR: <1 m ² (without external suspensions) [source not specified 484 days]

    Flight characteristics

        Maximum speed:
            at ground level: 1,400 km / h
            at a height of 2400 km / h (M = 2.25)
        Practical range:
            without drop tanks: 2,000 km
            with drop tanks: 3,000 km
        Flight Duration: 2.2 hours
        Service ceiling: 17,500 m
        Thrust:
            at normal take-off weight: 1.03
            with a maximum take-off weight: 0.77
        Wing loading:
            at normal take-off weight: 468 kg / m ²
            with a maximum take-off weight: 618 kg / m ²
        Maximum operating load: 9 g

    Armament

        Cannonball: 30 mm cannon built GS-30-1
        Suspension points: 10
        The combat load: 6500 kg
        Armament:
            URVV:
                short-range missiles: R-73
                medium range: R-27 and RVV-AE
            Anti: X-31 and X-35
            Anti-radiation: X-31P
            URVP: X-25, X-29, NAR
            Svobodnopadayuschie and bombs, aerial mines.

    Avionics

        Radar with an active phased array Zhuk-A:
            AFAR diameter: 688 mm (500 mm for export)
            Number of MRP: 1016 (680 in the export)
            Weight: about 280 kg (240 kg for export)
            Volume: 0,275 m ³
            The maximum detection range:
                aerodynamic purposes: up to 200 kilometers (up to 148 km on export)
                ground targets: up to 60 km


    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B8%D0%93-35
    http://defense-update.com/products/m/mig35.htm
    http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mig35/



    Su-35




    Technical specifications

        Crew: 1 person
        Length: 22.18 m
        Wingspan: 14.75 m
        Height: 6.43 m
        Wing Area: 62.04 m ²
        The angle of the leading edge sweep 42 °
        Chassis: tricycle, with the front desk, retractable
        Weight:
            empty: 19000 kg
            Normal take-off weight: 25,500 kg
            Maximum takeoff weight: 34,500 kg
            Fuel Weight: 11,500 kg
        Engine:
            Engine Type: Turbofan with afterburner and thrust vector control (turbofan with thrust vectoring)
            model: "AL-41F1S"
            Thrust:
                max: 2 × 8800 kg
                afterburner: 2 × 14500 kgs
            thrust vector control:
                A thrust angle: ± 15 ° in the plane
                A thrust speed: 60 ° / sec
            Motor weight: 1520 kg
        EPR: 0.5-2 m ² [29]

    Flight characteristics

        Maximum speed:
            at ground level: 1,400 km / h (1.17 M)
            in height: 2,500 km / h [18]
            Maximum besforsazhny:> 1,300 km / h (on the first prototype, the acceleration without using afterburner - 1.1 M)
        Range:
            at the ground 1580 km
            the mark:
                without drop tanks: 3,600 km
                with drop tanks: 4,500 km
        Service ceiling: 19,000 m [30]
        Length:
            runway: 400 m
            mileage: 650
        Thrust:
            at normal take-off weight: 1.14
            with a maximum take-off weight: 0.76
        Wing loading:
            normal takeoff weight of 410 kg / m ²
            with a maximum take-off weight: 611 kg / m ²

    Armament

    source [31]

        Cannonball: 30 mm aircraft cannon GSH-30-1
        The combat load: 8000 kg
        Suspension points: 12
        Armament:
            The air-to-air:
                Long-range missile:
                    HAEDAT
                medium range:
                    6hR-27ER, R-27P, R-27T
                    10hRVV-AE
                short range:
                    4hR-73
            The air-to-ground:
                Anti-ship missiles:
                    6xx-31-2XX 59M
                    Air-to-ground missile long range
                Precision-guided munitions:
                    6xx-29
                    X 25
                    C-25LD
                    6hKAB-500
                    KAB-1500
                Unguided munitions:
                    C-25 (NAR)
                    C-8
                    bombs of various purpose and caliber up to 1,500 kg

    Avionics

    On the Su-35S is used radar with a passive phased array antenna N035 Irbis.

    Features radar:

        Frequency range: X (8-12 GHz)
        PAR diameter: 900 mm
        The number of landmines: 1772
        Viewing angles: 240 ° (± 120 °)
        Average power: 5000 W
        Peak power: 20000 W
        Detection range:
            EPR with 3 M ²:
                on a collision course: 350-400 km (in the area of ​​100 square meters. degrees on the sky background)
                on the Dogon: 150 km [32]
            with SCS 0.01 M ²: up to 90 km [33]
        Objectives:
            Detection and Cueing: 4 ground or air 30
            Simultaneous firing of 2 (for illumination of R-27)


    http://defense-update.com/newscast/0208/news/news_260208_su35.htm
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%83-35
    http://www.milavia.net/aircraft/su-35/

    The MiG-35 is powerful avionics, Zhuk AESA radar.
    The Su-35 is powerful Irbis-E radar range remote tumbledown, super speed, super portable engine super maneuverability.
    They both minimize RCS.

    History support Su-35, Su-27 has ever won before Mig 29 in Africa Very Happy
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    Re: General Questions Thread:

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:37 am

    This is about as pointless as comparing an F-22 with an F-35.

    Size gives the Su-35 certain advantages in flight range and performance, but that also means the cost of operating and owning it will be higher too.

    The simple fact is that while the Su-35 might be better in some areas Russia cannot afford an entire air force with only Su-35s. In several places its range and performance are superflous.

    One Su-35 cannot do the job of two Mig-35s so given the choice having a larger number of Mig-35s (perhaps including some Mig-29M2s) will provide better coverage than a lessor number of Su-35s.


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    Scenario: AEW Sentry enters airspace of Russia

    Post  Diego-9 on Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:24 pm

    Good Afternoon

    AEW aircraft together with some FGAs or BBRs enters the airspace of Russia.
    How does it defend Russia?
    Would it uses the S-400 system?
    Would it uses MiG-31 armed with Vympel R-77 missile?
    Another answers, I don´t know.

    Also, Is it true that Russia has got a air to air missile with a range of 398 kms.?

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