actually youre full of rubbish ,you are one of few posters i dont even bother to read here anymore, too much philosophy (just for example you post pictures of production and aquisition and say how many times jav is expencive compared to kornet metis and what not but not once do you mention the actuall PRICE of the javelin !!! so what is the cost?!) ...Mindstorm wrote:I say ,with plentiful of argumentations ,that its same design fundamentals are flawed in its innermost basis and in direct opposition with the most basic engineering....KISS rule (always a bad choice)BlackArrow wrote:Mindstorm, are you trying to say that the FGM-148 Javelin missile doesn't work? I think there is a lot of evidence that proves otherwise.
BlackArrow have you ever seen an FGM-148 emplyed in a theatre of war ?
Well go at the previous page and you can see some samples in a mine previous post; now instead try to observe any presentation video of FGM-148 (of any lenght), what you notice?
Yes ; the pre-fire sequence is always horribly clipped , try to guess why.....
Now what happen when one of those motionless dummy with an oversized tube on its shoulder ,in the hopeless await to finally get a chance to fire theirs overcostly ATGM (often versus fixed targets no more distant than 300-400 meters ) confront an enemy that ,for the same cost, has equipped its troop with seven multi-purpose infantry-portable guided missiles that can conclud the fire sequence in less than half the time ?
so now we are quoting video games and some never heard of invented rules to make Jav look bad?
that can be said for ANY atgm ,actually arena and trophy dont work agains top attack and actually work against horizontal attack kornet metis ... !medo wrote:http://www.npostrela.com/en/products/new-dev/104/266/
Portable surveillance radars also become quite small and such small radar could be easily installed in tank and this radar could detect Javelin or Spike ATGM launch, considering those missiles fly high and give enough time to launch smoke grenades and change position as well as to fire on ATGM crew.
what is important is that its tens of time cheaper then the tank its targeting ....and thats all there is to it.BlackArrow wrote:Easy to jam?Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
On the issue of FGM-148, amongst its deficiencies is a third generation guidance system which itself has many deficiencies, with one of these deficiencies being that it’s one of the easiest guidance systems to jam.
How do you know that? What do you know about the Javelin missile's guidance system, anyway?
I can tell you one thing, you talk about the Javelin round being too expensive - but I bet it's a lot cheaper than a missile from the S-400 system or an R-37 air-to-air missle...
this is just apples and oranges.
If javs were manufactured in India they would be cheaper ,but thats the price USA pays for high technological and industrial streinght and high waiges = high standard.
wow i feel soo much flattered and honoured you wrote so much about me, yes i busted many myths of the team putin members over here, please stopMorpheus Eberhardt wrote:Mindstorm, I agree that the debate in which you have chosen to participate is about the more significant aspects of the subject that was being discussed. The reason for my approach was to indicate the factoids promoted by the "wikipedias" of the world are not even correct, let alone significant.Mindstorm wrote:All right Morpheus, but the debate ,at which i've chosen to participate only because it show some of the most classical factoids widely spread on similar subjects ( and obviously repeated by typical forum troll...) , has turned around some precise metropolitan legends.
But it really wasnt my intention its hard when you are neutral and look objectivly at things the climate here is pretty RED, so you end up looking like pro-usa even if thats the least you actually wanted... but russia is a democracy last i heard so they have to tolerate me