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    GRU Army Spetsnaz:

    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:43 am

    Hello everybody. A while back I read an article that discussed reforms being made to the special forces of the GRU. It stated that the Spetsnaz GRU would be transferred to the army and integrated into the normal ground forces. Does anybody have any information on how this is going or if it's been canceled? I honestly hope the people up top realize how big of a mistake they're making and cancel this thing before it's to late. As I am a new member I cannot post links so if anybody knows what article I am talking about and wants to post a link that would be greatly appreciated.  Very Happy

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    Re: GRU Army Spetsnaz:

    Post  GarryB on Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:21 am

    http://russiandefpolicy.wordpress.com/2010/10/27/goodbye-gru-spetsnaz-hello-army-spetsnaz/

    Is all I could find... can you post bits of a link to any other report (one that I can fill in the dots to make it work).

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    Re: GRU Army Spetsnaz:

    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:44 am

    GarryB wrote:
    can you post bits of a link to any other report (one that I can fill in the dots to make it work).

    That's just it, that seems to be the only information on the subject. This came up two years ago and I haven't seen anything else since. That's why I posted this thread was to find out if anybody else had found any further information on the subject.

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    GRU Army Spetsnaz:

    Post  GarryB on Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:33 pm

    From what I have read I think the Spetsnaz have now been subordinated to the various military districts, but that the GRU is still responsible for training and equipping them.

    The Military District commander now has control over all the forces in his district with the exception of Aerospace defence forces, and strategic rocket forces.

    I guess the district commander having direct control of the recon units within his district makes sense...

    to quote:

    Spetsnaz has, Shlyakhturov admits, gone to the MDs, fleets, and VDV, but he says they’re still part of operational intelligence, and the GRU provides their doctrine, training, and equipment.

    from: http://russiandefpolicy.wordpress.com/tag/gru/

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    Post  TR1 on Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:41 pm

    Some very interesting things:

    1.) http://twower.livejournal.com/862741.html

    Twower reports on the couple of Lynxes used by the 10th Spetsnaz Brigade.
    Key points from the report:
    -So far vehicles have been barely used/Legitimate offroad testing has not occurred in the brigade; this is both worrying, and makes firm conclusions hard
    -Acceleration is slow
    -Fenders seem poor for serious off-roading. Rubber is soft and wears away quickly on the tires.
    -The winch is better than the one on the Tigr.
    -Suspension is soft and comfortable
    -Soon the unit is planning to replace its Tigrs with Lynxes, so a more thorough set of conclusions can be made.
    -Seats are unmovable, so not good for long drives
    -AC works well
    -Rear hatch can only be opened by manually taking spare wheel off.
    -The Spetsnaz guys are not sure why the Tigr is being replaced with the Lynx. The Lynx does have the advantage of mine protection, an AC; but the Tigr has much better off-road qualities, as well as a much more spacious interior.
    -Twower mentions he does not see the vehicles interior as problematic for a command vehicle/utility, but for a Spetsnaz group ladden with equipment, the small usable interior space will be a problem.

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    Russian Special Forces to Receive New Specially Modified Helicopters

    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:39 am

    http://izvestia.ru/news/543124

    Russian special forces troops already in the coming year will be a helicopter with the latest navigation and attack systems that will significantly increase the power of the special forces. A source in the military-industrial complex (MIC) said "News" that at Ulan-Ude Aviation Plant (Republic of Buryatia) prepared design documentation and began delivery of equipment from manufacturers.

    - His work Works completed on time and on time will present the car to the test - promised representative DIC.

    "News" already wrote that the Defense Ministry has announced a tender for the development of the helicopter for Special Forces . At the end of last year, a plant in the capital of the Buryat specification approved by the customer. The new on-board put on the Mi-8AMTSh tested with so-called dolphin nose characteristic of the tab in the bow, where in conventional models mounted radar.

    Navigation-shock system yet nameless and should get the name after the state tests. Manufacturers of its components have not been disclosed. Interlocutor "News" shared its basic performance characteristics.

    The system includes an overview search station with heating and TV channels and radar for terrain following. Another station with TV and thermal channel and laser rangefinder serves aiming. Picture from the heat, television and radar images displayed on separate monitors for both pilots.

    There is also a navigation system based on GLONASS and searchlight TSL-1600, working in the infrared range with illumination for night vision devices and a conventional optical special power.

    Illuminator is designed to illuminate the battlefield or the air space in bad weather. According to the terms of reference, all equipment must be compatible cockpit with night vision goggles, which rely on a complete crew. That is, the pilot can see the readings, and a picture of a monitor via the general points that reproduce the image only in black and green.

    - In the process of matching the specification was only one change - the requirements for the arming of the helicopter. Originally it was planned to install anti-tank guided missile (ATGM), but the producers rests on the fact that they have to put a separate sighting system, wiring and power cables, and no matter spetsnaz helicopter combat armored vehicles, as army aviation. It was therefore decided to retain only rockets and machine guns at the door and on the ramp - told the "News" at the Ulan-Ude aviation plant.

    In total, there are four new complex multi monitor, two for the pilot. Everyone sees the same image display with a survey station and terrain following radar, the second - a panoramic view of the helicopter from the top, as in modern automotive systems around view.

    In doing that, the system of so-called Glass-Sockpit in which ordinary pointer instruments are kept to a minimum, and all flight parameters, searching for targets and guidance are displayed as in computer games. This makes it possible to fly in any weather and time of day without visual observation.

    According to "Izvestia", only to be ordered no more than 20 wonderful machines. They are designed for getting to and evacuation of special forces behind enemy lines and the need fire support. The tests are scheduled at the range of 929-State Flight Test Center (GLIC) in the suburban Chkalovsk.

    However, the Defense Ministry wary about the timing of purchases of serial models.

    - It is remarkable that the producers in Ulan-Ude are optimistic about the near future. But the navigation and attack systems while only in drawings. Although the Mi-8 reliable and seasoned time, there are certain issues to its electronics. But I will not deny that the spetsnaz helicopter is very necessary in the Caucasus, - said, "Izvestia", the representative of the military department.

    According to an independent military expert, one of the authors of the book "The New Russian Army" - Anton Lavrov, the Russian Air Force used the world experience.

    - In the West, there has long been the helicopters for special forces - for example, an American family of MH-60 BlackHawk, French Ec-725 Saracal. The whole world experience shows that nighttime operations give technical superiority of the Party over the less prepared opponent and solve complex tactical tasks with minimal losses - said he was "news."

    According to the expert, the new Special Forces helicopters will be widely used in the Caucasus, where the mountains, woodlands and frequent bad weather, especially in winter. The presence of the survey and targeted multichannel stations will detect and eliminate militant bases in disguise.

    (Translated using Google Translate)

    This is a great step forward for the special forces fighting in the North Caucasus. I personally approve of anything that makes it easier for the Russians to exterminate those scum.


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    Re: GRU Army Spetsnaz:

    Post  TR1 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:57 am

    Systemic fighting of corruption would probably do a hell of a lot more, but I won't get into that Wink .

    One big fly sticks out in these news: Ivstestiyaaaaaaaaa

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    Re: GRU Army Spetsnaz:

    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:12 am

    TR1 wrote:One big fly sticks out in these news: Ivstestiyaaaaaaaaa

    Shoot, it is them isn't it? I guess I'll wait for confirmation from a more reputable source before getting excited.

    I hope it turns out to be true though. The new helicopters would greatly increase the night fighting capabilities of the special forces over there.

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    Re: GRU Army Spetsnaz:

    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:59 am

    The report might be referring to this:



    or this...



    In 2012 there was a report about the commandoes from the Senezh centre receiving heavily modified Mi-8's

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    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:11 am

    Yeah I think they fall under GRU command and I'd be surprised if they didn't do tours in the N. Caucasus

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    Post  AZZKIKR on Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:38 pm

    http://de.mvd.ru/smi/81/171/173/245/?print


    Thought you guys might like this. Though does anybody know about how they performed in the Georgian conflict?


    As well as the other GRU commandoes?

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    Re: GRU Army Spetsnaz:

    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:42 pm

    They were 2 Chechen battalions who were under GRU command. AFAIK, the Vostok (East) battalion played a prominent role on the S. Ossetian front during the 2008 war.

    Later on, they were disbanded because their commanders were rivals and fell out with Kadyrov. The Vostok commanders were both assassinated in one of those inter Chechen fights.

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    Post  AZZKIKR on Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:49 pm

    Yep, the only survivor being kakiyev. But I've read about a reporter who was attached with one of the commando divisions, with essentially saying that they were brutally effective. Though, does anybody know about how the other Spetsnaz GRU divisions did in the Georgian war? Since most sources mentioned only the Vostok and zapad involvement.

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    Re: GRU Army Spetsnaz:

    Post  Austin on Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:45 am

    Spetsnaz 2: Special operations forces set for combat

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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:56 am

    Austin wrote:Spetsnaz 2: Special operations forces set for combat

    Sounds like the return of Spetznas GRU russia 

    Here's a TV report about them




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    Re: GRU Army Spetsnaz:

    Post  Regular on Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:01 am

    Too much western equipment for my taste, let's put this in that way. They should be banned by MOD to buy them at all. Especially when Russian companies make superior products. EOTech is completely shit sight especially mounted on AK-74, instead they should stick to Russian collimators and support local manufacturers, not to mention sad state that Russian optic industry went through. Can anyone explain me what's wrong with numerous indigenous helmets Russia already has, digital camo? Why should they make logistical nightmare instead of utilising what is already there. Really is there any logic in using those fancy sights in mountains? It won't make Your AK-74 a sniper rifle and snow and freezing temperatures will kill batteries in no time.

    34 mountain brigade.
    No bullshit imported equipment, just Chechen war experience under their belts.




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    Re: GRU Army Spetsnaz:

    Post  Zivo on Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:55 am

    A lot of their AKs have high-end Russian aftermarket parts. I've seen a few Spetsnaz guys whose furniture is worth more than the rifles themselves.

    Regarding digital camo, it is effective. I've got a Russian made SURPAT uniform from SRVV that I use on the range  and it's better built than any uniform I can find in the States. That says a lot about Russian manufacturing. None of these guys should have trouble finding good Russian made equipment.

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    Re: GRU Army Spetsnaz:

    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:39 pm

    Regular wrote:
    34 mountain brigade.
    No bullshit imported equipment, just Chechen war experience under their belts.

    I'm aware of the 34th Mountain Brigade and it seems to be a fine unit, but they have different role compared to the SSO. Meaning the equipment will vary to a degree.

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    Post  SWAT Pointman on Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:08 pm

    Regular wrote:Too much western equipment for my taste, let's put this in that way. They should be banned by MOD to buy them at all. Especially when Russian companies make superior products. EOTech is completely shit sight especially mounted on AK-74, instead they should stick to Russian collimators and support local manufacturers, not to mention sad state that Russian optic industry went through. Can anyone explain me what's wrong with numerous indigenous helmets Russia already has, digital camo? Why should they make logistical nightmare instead of utilising what is already there. Really is there any logic in using those fancy sights in mountains? It won't make Your AK-74 a sniper rifle and snow and freezing temperatures will kill batteries in no time.

    34 mountain brigade.
    No bullshit imported equipment, just Chechen war experience under their belts.



    I wonder why they're using western equipment when they're very capable of making equipment that is equal to or superior to western equipment? I'm going to guess the Russian companies maybe weren't as capable as supplying the equipment they needed so they turned to buying western designs? The EO Tech is regarded as a very good sight. It is more difficult to shoot accurately with though on an AK-74 as it's mounted very high. The EO Tech was intended more for rifles with a high plane of sight like the M4. I suppose a cheek riser on the AK-74 largely solves this problem though.

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    Re: GRU Army Spetsnaz:

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:04 am

    I'm going to guess the Russian companies maybe weren't as capable as supplying the equipment they needed so they turned to buying western designs?

    Or the Russian weapon sight makers didn't want to get sued or lose access to western markets by directly copying the design and need some time to come out with their own "versions" of the sights.

    The only EO tech sights I have seen in shops here are very expensive.


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    Post  Cpt Caz on Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:58 am

    Speaking of "Shaheen":

    Russian Special Forces to Test New Thermal Scopes

    MOSCOW, October 17 (RIA Novosti) – The Defense Ministry will start official tests of a new thermal vision scope as part of Russia’s futuristic combat kit later this month, the system’s developer said Thursday.

    There are currently 160 prototype scopes at an army special forces (spetsnaz) facility near Moscow, said Oleg Yakovlev, advisor to the general director of the Tsiklon scientific research institute.

    The scope, which can spot a target at a distance of 800-1,200 meters, is an essential component of the much touted cutting-edge Ratnik (Warrior) set and will cost around 1 million rubles ($30,000) per unit, he said.

    Tests could last from several months to a year and a half, he added.
    “We hope the final state tests will be a success and Ratnik’s thermal imaging system will be adopted in 2014
    ,” Yakovlev said.

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    Re: GRU Army Spetsnaz:

    Post  George1 on Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:48 am

    Does anyone have info on specific mountain warfare units of Russian army and VDV?

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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:32 pm

    George1 wrote:Does anyone have info on specific mountain warfare units of Russian army and VDV?

    The 34th Motorised (Mountain) Brigade




    "two tower" had a feature on them back in 2011

    http://twower.livejournal.com/513546.html

    http://twower.livejournal.com/510949.html

    http://twower.livejournal.com/511859.html

    Next year the 55th Brigade is being established which will be a sister unit of the 34th Brigade.

    There's also a mountain warfare training center in the Caucasus where various units (usually scout type units) undertake mountain warfare courses

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    Re: GRU Army Spetsnaz:

    Post  franco on Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:09 am

    "Thought you guys might like this. Though does anybody know about how they performed in the Georgian conflict?
    As well as the other GRU commandoes?"



    In the post Georgian conflict review by the Russians, the GRU and Spetsnaz were sharply criticized as intelligence and reconnaissance were a major shortfall. Major changes were made afterwards until you get the "little green men" of Crimea. On the other hand, the unit of the 45th Airborne Recon operating out of Abkhazia performed with distinction conducting LR reconnaissance and raids including capturing some US troops.

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    Re: GRU Army Spetsnaz:

    Post  franco on Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:56 pm

    Present Russian Military Spetsnaz Units

    SSO - probably from the 218th and may still be official designation. Reports to the General Staff and is the Delta Force equivalent.

    45th Airborne Recon brigade - used to be regiment but another battalion added last year. Claim not to be spetsnaz, but does the same role for the Airborne Forces.

    Ground Forces

    2nd Spetsnaz brigade - West OSC
    16th Spetsnaz brigade - West OSC

    10th Spetsnaz brigade - South OSC
    22nd Spetsnaz brigade - South OSC
    25th Spetsnaz regiment - South OSC (formed for Sochi Olympics, not sure of long term plans)
    346th Spetsnaz brigade - South OSC

    3rd Spetsnaz brigade - Central OSC
    24th Spetsnaz brigade - Central OSC

    14th Spetsnaz brigade - East OSC

    Naval Forces

    420th Spetsnaz - Northern Fleet
    561st Spetsnaz - Baltic Fleet
    431st Spetsnaz - Black Fleet
    42nd Spetsnaz - Pacific Fleet

    There are other units that could be considered as Spetsnaz like but don't do the "recon and raid" functions;
    - at least 10 Anti-Saboteur Combat Diver units attached to major Naval bases but for defensive purposes.
    - SWAT like units attached to all Strategic Rocket divisions and Nuclear Weapon storage units.
    - SWAT like units attached to Command structures and new Miltary Police as Reaction forces.

    I have wondered why there is no Caspian Flotilla Spetsnaz unit, but have never been able to locate such.
    Any corrections, additions and input is appreciated.

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