Good thing none of Russia's possible adversaries depend on ERA for Armor protection!
Look at their navy. Even their small patrol craft have one or two AK-630s compared to western vessels where even frigates might only have one or two Phalanxs. Their own experience with anti ship missiles leads them to take defence against anti ship missiles very seriously it seems.
But we're comparing Tanks v Tanks...if you want to discuss the
future of Russian tanks like Austin asked then it's 25% chance of being
hit by a Maverick from 8 km away, 50% chance of being hit by a M829A3
from 2 km away, and 25% chance of being forgotten in a dump. Same is
true for every other tank, which is why it's pointless to compare system
v.s. system because everything ends up being nuked anyways.
Actually for Russian tanks I would say odds are 99% will never see a Maverick or M829A3 in their entire service life based on experience to date... however as tank forces shrink then air threats are only going to increase over time to the point where the primary threat will be enemy air power. Russia spends rather more on defeating air power because the Russian Army is used to fighting without air support. The west on the other hand tend to rely on it and tend to assume air control for their operations. Not judging. Just stating facts.
Which would I guess explain the T-90's inferiority in AT warfare I persume?
Not even nearly.
Without the financial collapses and the end of the cold war the Soviets would have put the T-95 into service in the mid 90s with a gun easily able to defeat any enemy tank on the battlefield.
If the cold war had ended at the start of the 80s instead of the 90s and the US decided that the M60 in its upgraded form was good enough and that the new expensive Abrams was not needed imagine what chats on the internet now would be like...
You aren't reading what I'm saying.
By ATGM, I mean fired FROM tanks.
Also, I said, TANK FIRED fire-and-forget ATGM, I have seen no plans for the Hermes to be shot from a T-series tank.
Of course... the company that will make the 130mm calibre seeker for the HERMES would never bother to use that seeker on any of its other products like KRASNOPOL 152mm guided artillery shells because who wants a terminally guided self homing 152mm artillery shell? BTW they applied the same SALH guidance for the KRASNOPOL in 152mm to the 122mm KITOLOV shell and the 120mm GRAN.
BTW The 125mm optically guided SOKOL is already being developed BTW and it can be cued by a laser target marker or it can detect moving targets on its own.
Check this: http://fofanov.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/ARM/atgm/ammo.html
Note the last column... in development... and self targeting.
So I ask why not allocate the ARENA to be able to hit faster projectiles?
That might be something they are doing, but the faster projectiles are not currently the problem for T series tanks in Russian service... it is the low speed RPGs with HEAT warheads that are the most common threat so it makes rather more sense to defend against that first.
They're already being deployed on Merkava IVs as we speak, which is why I
said earlier, "proliferated heavily into Standing armies".
So how many standing armies have Merkava IVs let alone active defence systems like Trophy?
So essentially a Tandem Warhed should be good enough to penetrate any Armour Western or Heavy in Top Attack mode ?
The roof armour of most tanks is pathetic... usually less than 60mm. There is a reason the 30mm gatling on the A-10 seems to be so effective... at 800m its armour penetration is only about 69mm. And of course there are crew hatches that are less than 6cm thick too. It is a reason urban combat is so dangerous as enemy forces can get on the roof of tall buildings and shoot down at the thin tops of tanks. Even the belly of most tanks has thicker armour to protect from mines.
Even in Afghanistan the Soviets found the 125mm gun was over powered for most common targets and T-55s and T-62s were commonly used because the targets didn't seem to notice the difference in HE power.
It seems the most easier way to take the next leap is to go for a
Supersonic Missile like Hermes with a MMW seeker a range of 4-6 km
depending on trajectory should suffice, the Tank might just need a MMW
FC radar small enough to track targets with high resolution to atleast
Considering the ground based HERMES will have a range of 100km perhaps they will not need a tank based HERMES missile at all. T-90s will be used for all the things a tank is used for... ie direct fire support for infantry ops, and if enemy tanks appear that ground based HERMES vehicles will fire volleys at them from 20km behind the lines with data from UAVs or Ka-52s and tank on tank warfare might be a thing of the past. Why risk an expensive tank when long range missiles can do the job better. Has the tank become the battleship?
Certainly if you can get good intel and detect when an enemy is forming up an armoured force for an attack it makes rather more sense to fire a volley of SMERCH rockets with anti tank submunitions and then HERMES missiles to deal with what remains than to form up your own armoured forces and hope he does not do to your armour what you could have done to his. In desert storm when Saddams forces were running away in long columns on roads it wasn't tanks that were used to clean them up... it was air power. Of course that was a US operation. A Russian force might prefer to use Army assets like SMERCH and HERMES.
In addition, the air defense troops the Army will have upgraded
the S-300V4, Buk-M2 and Buk-M3, anti-aircraft missile systems,
short-range Tor-M2U (M), portable anti-aircraft missile complexes
"Igla-S" and "Willow".
I guess Willow is what I have been calling Verba.
S-300V4 sounds interesting... an upgrade of S-300VM?
self-propelled guns" Host "and" Nona-SVK "
Nona-SVK is the BTR-80 based 120mm gun/mortar system with a turret with 70 degrees traverse.
Host is a 2S1 with the 122mm gun replaced with a 120mm gun/mortar... also been called Hosta.
I wonder what this means for Vena?
anti-tank missile system Chrysanthemum-S and guns" Octopus -SD.
Yah... a MMW radar guided anti tank missile vehicle and Sprut too.
special armored vehicles carrying capacity up to 2,5 tons (Iveco, "Tiger," "Wolf")
Cool, Iveco, Tiger... and Wolf... excellent.
Garry I hope things are fine at your end , I saw on TV there was a major earthquake at Christchurch NZ.
I am fine. I live about 300km to the south of CHCH, but I did feel the EQ. It seems it was much worse this time and a lot of people were killed this time around. Last time it was about 430 in the morning so most people were in bed, but this time people were up and around and a lot of people killed were in buildings that collapsed or in cars that the fronts of buildings fell on. Very scary to live in the ring of fire.