collegeboy16 wrote:Wrong, modern MBTs have more than 1m RHA (HEAT) equivalent. They have however lower values against KE (850-950) which can be remedied by newer rounds- (Grifel) and this is where APFSDS is better since you can improve more aspect of it like propellant/ sabot/ te penetrator the gun itself, etc. With HEAT, you what make it what quadruple charged- which I highly doubt is possible in the tiny confines of a 125 mm projectile.
Do you really want me make to laugh? There is no APFSDS that can do more than 750mm RHA penetration and yes RHA already is a unifed measurement so telling me that 750mm RHA is more penetration than 900mm RHA just because one is APFSDS and the other is HEAT. That is nonsense. BK-31M HEAT 800mm (at 100m or at 5000m) vs RHA > M829A3 750mm RHA at 2km. And it also really doesn't matter what you believe about HEAT, the point is they do not use copper liners but alloys today to improve penetration capabilities. Penetrators are useless at longer distances than 2km and who has a higher chance getting killed first the tank that only has APFSDS which are useless at higher ranges then 2km or the tank that has more powerfull guided rounds which can hit up to 5km?
It doesn't matter how the enemy tank is knocked out mobility,optical or firepower kill it all counts as a kill so the enemy crew can not continue their duty.
collegeboy16 wrote:Also, once ETC guns are here HEAT would be even more irrelevant in anti-armor role as part of MBT loadout.
Also, HEAT is defeinitely easier to counter than APFSDS- composite armor/ spaced armor/ and NERA/ERA and then APS- right now only ERA capable of dealing with APFSDS is Relikt, only APS capable of dealing with APFSDS is Afghanistan, and M1A1/2 have to incorporate dangerous DU layer (tungsten in case of advanced Leopard 2s) to deal with APFSDS more effectivle.
Also APCs and IFVs could be dealth with more effectively with HE round- catastrophic kill everytime.
Funny claim, Kontakt 5 already neutralizes M829A1/2 and that is the case only for old T-72AV not even for T-90A1 with 8 layered armor compared with the 6 layered T-90.
APFSDS are countered so easy just through the longer arm on the battlefield that APFSDS equipped tanks wouldn't b able to enter effective range before getting smoked.
Just because the propaganda warmachine of the US blesses the russian invention of APFSDS doesn't mean it is the ultra dupper super weapon like you think, it is actually the least usefull weapon for Anti Tank roll, tanks today can use.