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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:33 am

    There was a picture of it somewhere I think... the round is basically like the 100mm round from the BMP-3... it is mostly projectile with a small stub propellent case because muzzle velocity is not really important, but shell weight is.

    It means they could probably carry 3-4 times more grenade HE rounds in the space 57mm high velocity shells would take up because of their enormous shell cases needed to generate high muzzle velocity.

    I seem to remember the comment that the 57mm grenade round had more HE power than a 76.2mm artillery shell.

    The 57mm AA gun round (ie S-60) had about 2.8kgs of HE... improvements in design and explosives means they should probably manage a 3-4kg equivalent payload with the new ammo.

    The naval 57mm gun has a 2.8kg HE round, while the 76.2mm gun has a 5.9kg HE round... so I would expect the new 57mm grenade launcher to pack about 6-7kgs of HE power.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:58 am

    Haven't seen this before....BMP-3 with Ataka missiles (pic from 2017)

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:42 pm

    That is quite odd really considering it can fire gun launched missiles through its main gun, but I guess externally mounted missiles can be bigger better performing weapons for targets that require a bit more ummpf...

    Kornet-EM could reach to 10km targets for instance and Ataka and Shturm are reportedly rather cheap and with new optics and control systems are rather more accurate than they used to be... which was good at the time anyway...

    The interesting implication with it mounted there is that presumably the commander can aim and fire it with his sight while the gunner can engage other targets including with missiles too.

    Perhaps they are intended to be used against enemy helicopters or slow flying aircraft...
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    Post  Regular on Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:08 pm

    GarryB wrote:That is quite odd really considering it can fire gun launched missiles through its main gun, but I guess externally mounted missiles can be bigger better performing weapons for targets that require a bit more ummpf...

    Kornet-EM could reach to 10km targets for instance and Ataka and Shturm are reportedly rather cheap and with new optics and control systems are rather more accurate than they used to be... which was good at the time anyway...

    The interesting implication with it mounted there is that presumably the commander can aim and fire it with his sight while the gunner can engage other targets including with missiles too.

    Perhaps they are intended to be used against enemy helicopters or slow flying aircraft...

    BMP-3 has much better solution how to counter helicopters than ATGMs. Afaik MANPADS can be easily fired from top hatches by infantry and it would be many yimes more effective
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    Post  0nillie0 on Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:37 pm

    Regular wrote:
    GarryB wrote:That is quite odd really considering it can fire gun launched missiles through its main gun, but I guess externally mounted missiles can be bigger better performing weapons for targets that require a bit more ummpf...

    Kornet-EM could reach to 10km targets for instance and Ataka and Shturm are reportedly rather cheap and with new optics and control systems are rather more accurate than they used to be... which was good at the time anyway...

    The interesting implication with it mounted there is that presumably the commander can aim and fire it with his sight while the gunner can engage other targets including with missiles too.

    Perhaps they are intended to be used against enemy helicopters or slow flying aircraft...

    BMP-3 has much better solution how to counter helicopters than ATGMs. Afaik MANPADS can be easily fired from top hatches by infantry and it would be many yimes more effective

    This upgrade was originally intended for BMP-2M (sb4-3) offered for export since some years now. Recently it has been adapted on Bakhcha-U combat module (version used in BMD-4M and offered on BMP-3M now) as well, as seen in that picture. The main purpose of this combat module according to Rosoboronexport is to engage tanks or other heavy armored targets with Ataka-T supersonic laser beam-riding ATGM. Ataka-T also means capability to fire the 9M120M tandem HEAT round which is faster but also somewhat less powerful and probably cheaper than its "Kornet counterpart", but more powerful than the Bastion GLATGM.

    The platform is fully stabilized, which was already a major advantage over the ATGM launcher of the BMP-2 in terms of practical use. What exactly the advantages are over 9M117 of BMP-3, other than penetration, could perhaps be explained by a more knowledgeable person here, but perhaps it also has to do with guidance. 9M117 is notoriously hard to use on the move, and perhaps Ataka is more practical in that way (tho AFAIK both are beam riding SACLOS).

    Additionally, as mentioned by Garry, the launch platform can rotate 360 degrees, implying it could be fired/guided using the commander's panoramic sight of the Bakhcha-U combat module. Two important notes here are that the commander sight needs to equipped with sensors that are compatible with Ataka launcher for effective guidance. For example, for use of the above line of sight attack mode of Ataka missile, range to target must be measured before launch. This would imply the requirement of a laser range finder, which AFAIK is not installed by default in the commander sight of the BMD-4M. Additionally, the position of the platform creates a blind spot for the commander sight....which is also far from ideal.

    IMHO this upgrade made some sense for the BMP-2 (though the KBP upgrade with Berezhok combat module and Kornet is IMHO superior).
    For BMP-3 i don't think it will see much success with Russian forces, but perhaps some export customer which already uses Ataka in anti tank role? IMHO it would make more sense just to add dual Kornet launchers on the side of the turret as seen already on BMP-2M which is accepted for service. Latest version of Kornet is significantly more capable than Bastion...but probably more expensive Smile.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:29 am

    Yes, I think it is significant that they have attached the launch tubes to the commander sight... perhaps it is so enemy aircraft like attack helos can be engaged when detected, rather than waiting for the gunner to engage...

    The late model Ataka uses laser beam riding guidance like the Kornet and the Bastion, which would be a good choice for guidance against attack helos... not only are they supersonic but would not be effected by DIRCMS like a MANPADS would be...

    I would expect the laser beam riding guidance would be provided by an upgraded commanders sight otherwise it would totally defeat the purpose of fitting it to the commanders sight as the tank turret would need to be turned to allow the gunner sight to point a laser at the target for the missile to follow.

    Having a laser in the commanders sight is perfectly sensible and normal because he needs to determine ranges of targets and threats he detects anyway.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:56 am

    BMP-3's to receive Active Protection during planned upgrades...

    TSAMTO, 13 Aug. Russian infantry fighting vehicle BMP-3 during upgrading will get new means of active protection, have informed "RIA Novosti" Director of the industrial cluster of conventional arms, ammunition and special chemistry of state Corporation rostec Sergey Abramov.

    "The modernization potential of the BMP-3 is far from exhausted. Currently, the developed system of protection against ballistic weapons, RPG-7, SPG-9, the possibility of increasing the passive protection as well as the issue of integration of means of active protection," – said to "RIA Novosti" Sergei Abramov.

    http://www.armstrade.org/includes/periodics/news/2019/0813/123053871/detail.shtml
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    Post  Austin on Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:58 pm

    Russia’s Latest Amphibious Tracked Vehicles

    https://mdb.cast.ru/mdb/1-2019/item2/article5/


    Sergey Abdulov


    Over the years, the BMP-3 and BMP-3F infantry fighting vehicles have earned themselves a reputation with the Russian and foreign navies as excellent armor well-suited for amphibious landing operations. For example, in one unprecedented case during an exercise in the early 2000s, UAE marines conducted an amphibious landing operation in BMP-3 vehicles during a heavy storm, with waves reaching 3-4 meters high. Forty-two of the 43 vehicles made a successful landing.

    But modern warfare presents ever more stringent requirements. One of them is the ability to conduct “over-the-horizon” amphibious landing operations, when landing vehicles leave the mothership 40-60km from the target and sail at maximum speed to the landing area instead of being dropped off right near the coastline. This reduces the risk of numerous vehicles being destroyed as they try to land. Also, marines must now be equipped with hardware that can provide fire support during landing rather than serve as mere transports.

    Russia’s Kurganmashzavod and the Special Machinery Design Bureau (SKBM) have developed a whole family of such vehicles using the BMP-3 platform as a starting point. They used many of the standard BMP-3 parts and components, which offers clear advantages in terms of both operation and maintenance. All these vehicles can be airlifted by Il-76MD or equivalent transports. They have an autonomy of up to 7 hours once they leave the mothership, and can make a landing oin difficult and unprepared coastal terrain.


    BT-3F APC


    One of these latest models is the BT-3F, a versatile armored personnel carrier that meets all modern requirements. It uses a specially adapted BMP-3 chassis.

    One of the priorities in the development of that vehicle was a high level of protection. A lot of thought also went into making the vehicle ergonomic and comfortable for its crew and the personnel it carries. It meets all the standard requirements in terms of mobility and interchangeability of components with the basic BMP-3 model.

    The BMP-3 and the BT-3F also share excellent protection from conventional weapons as well as from the impact of nuclear explosion, which enables their combined use in combat operations.

    The BT-3F is equipped with the 5ETs16U remote-controlled turret. That turret is armed with the Kord 12.7mm machine-gun, a television IR sight unit, and a laser range finder. It is indispensable for engaging lightly armored targets, weapons emplacements, and enemy personnel. Its video monitoring system offers a 360-degree field of view; the image is displayed on separate screens for the driver and for the personnel.

    There are several possible configurations for the passenger compartment: in addition to the vehicle’s crew, there is enough room for up to 10 commandos in the standard configuration, with an option for extra room for another five. Importantly, the vehicle can be used to haul bulky cargoes and ammunition, or serve as a platform for various hardware and equipment. In fact, this next-generation APC is marketed as a basic platform for a variety of special vehicles.

    The 500hp engine gives the BT-3F the same mobility characteristics as the BMP-3, including a 70km/h highway speed and the ability to sail in 2 to 3-meter waves.

    Another clear advantage of the BT-3F is its transportability by land, air, sea, and rail. It is even light enough to be hauled by Mi-26 helicopters using external suspension.

    Thanks to the use of standard parts and components that are shared with the BMP-3, which has been in service for many years, mass production of the new BT-3F model can be launched at the Kurgan Machinery Plant very quickly, with little to no preparation. Neither will it require much training for crews already trained with the BMP-3 and BMP-3F models. All of these considerations make the BT-3F an attractive proposition for the foreign armed forces that already operate the BMP-3.


    BMP-3F infantry fighting vehicle


    Another recent version of the BMP-3 model is the BMP- 3F. It is indispensable for rapid response units and marines operating unsupported in hostile territory, especially in coastal areas.

    Changes in the BMP-3F design compared to the parent BMP-3 model give it a greater buoyancy and stability at sea. For example, it has a telescopic air inlet pipe and lighter wave deflectors on the main body and turret. Its water-jet propulsors give it a sailing speed of up to 10 km/h.

    The vehicle is very stable and maneuverable at sea, capable of sailing in up to 1.25-meter waves, and can shoot accurately in up to 0.5-meter waves. It can remain at sea for up to 7 hours with the engine running.

    The BMP-3F also boasts excellent fire power thanks to its 100mm guided anti-tank missile launcher, a 30mm automatic cannon, and three 7.62mm machine guns. Its automated fire control system and highly efficient ammo make it capable of firing both on land and at sea, day or night, using all its weapons systems. The fire control system includes the Sodema IR sight/range finder, which provides reliable target identification and high firing accuracy round the clock and in poor visibility. As an option, the Sodema can be equipped with the AST-B automated target tracking device. Another option for the BMP-3F fire control system is the TKN-AI 24-hour commander observation unit.

    Other optional systems and components include:


    TVK-1B driver-mechanic observation unit

    IUSSh-688 chassis information and control system or EPVO driver and operator electronic assist device

    KBM-3M2E air conditioner (driven by the main engine) or an autonomous air conditioner with its own power unit that enables comfortable operation at ambient temperatures of up to +50°C

    MZ PTUR guided anti-tank missile loading mechanism


    All these options can be installed without sacrificing buoyancy, thanks to the use of special equipment.

    Thanks to its excellent mobility, protection, and firepower, combined with exceptional reliability, simple design, and ease of repair, the BMP-3F is one of the best amphibious fighting vehicles in the market.


    2S25M self-propelled anti-tank cannon


    The 2S25 is a light amphibious tank / self-propelled anti-tank cannon designed for more challenging tactical roles. These roles include reconnaissance, patrol and escort; action as part of a raid, flanking or advance units; combat in the security zone and maneuvering defense; forced water crossing; amphibious landing operations; operations in forested or mountainous terrain, swamps, or Arctic regions; and area control during peacekeeping operations and internal armed conflicts.

    Military planners in countries all over the world have come to realize the need for a light tank to support main battle tanks in modern warfare. The general requirements for such vehicles are as follows:

    firepower on par with, or not much inferior to main battle tanks

    increased tactical mobility and maneuverability, including the ability to force water barriers at speed

    a much better suitability for transportation by air, sea, rail, and road transport

    a lower cost compared with the main battle tanks

    The Special Machinery Design Bureau’s BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicle and its various versions (such as the BMP-3F model designed for the marines, and the BRM-3K amphibious reconnaissance vehicle) are often used in roles that should normally be performed by light tanks. They often struggle in these roles since an infantry fighting vehicle, for all its advantages, is clearly not a tank.

    For example, the Indonesian marines have bought a batch of BMP-3F primarily for use as direct fire support vehicles during amphibious landing and coastal operations. For actual landing, the Indonesians still use the old Soviet BTR-50 APCs and the US-made AAV-7 vehicles.

    Until very recently, not a single army in the world had an armored fighting vehicle that met all the requirements for a light tank. The first country to have developed such a tank is Russia.

    To a specialist, there is no doubt at all that the 2S25 is a modern light tank – in other words, a versatile fighting vehicle that can be used by all branches of the armed forces in the tactical roles for which that category of armored vehicles is the best fit. The new system’s potential users include:


    The Army (reconnaissance and anti-tank units, commandant units, alpine units and divisions, combined-services units serving with rapid-reaction or peacekeeping forces)

    The Marines and Navy coastal forces

    Airborne troops (parachute units, airborne assault and commando units and divisions)

    Units assigned to mobile ground-based ICBM

    Territorial defense units


    The 2S25M self-propelled anti-tank cannon is capable of performing all the aforementioned roles on the ground, at sea, and in the air.

    There are no other amphibious vehicles in Russia or abroad that pack such firepower in a relatively small package. The 2S25M is equipped with the 2A75M 125mm cannon, which can fire modern armor-piercing subcaliber projectiles, shaped-charge shells, HE-fragmentation shells, and projectiles with remote in-flight detonation. Such ammo is especially effective against enemy personnel, portable anti-tank system crews, unarmored vehicles, and light armor.

    These advantages greatly improve the system’s combat performance. In terms of its firepower, it is comparable to another new Russian system, the T-90MS main battle tank. The 2S25M can also fire guided missiles with shaped-charge or HE fragmentation warheads capable of destroying even the most heavily-protected armored vehicles at a distance of up to 5km. The new system carries a complement of 40 cannon projectiles, including 22 in the mechanized rounds rack.

    The 2S25M is also equipped with a remote-controlled 7.62mm machine-gun. It enables the commander of the vehicle to engage targets with the machine gun while the main weapon is in use by the operator. The total ammo complement of the machine guns is 3,000 rounds.

    Apart from the tank cannon that is just as capable as the one used in the T-90MS, the 2S25M also has an almost identical and very advanced fire control system. That system is the Sosna-U, widely regarded as one of the best in the world. It includes a visual and IR-range channels. The commander’s panoramic sight also has these two channels. Both sights support automatic target acquisition and tracking. There is also a backup sight in case the main ones go down; it is an optical-electronic instrument, with a vertically stabilized field of view and an autonomous power source.

    The 2S25M has a chassis information and control system that makes it much easier to operate and alerts the crew to any malfunctions. The latest frequency-modulation communication system supports technical transmission masking and can be integrated with modern command-and control systems, including automated ones such as the Andromeda-D (developed for the Airborne Assault Troops) or the Army’s ESU TZ Sozvezdiye-M2.

    The system’s undercarriage, engine, and gearbox are shared with the BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicle and the BMD-4M amphibious infantry fighting vehicle. The UTD-29 multifuel, 500hp diesel engine can propel the 18-tonne vehicle with a 3-man crew at up to 70km/h on land and 10 km/h at sea.

    The chassis is equipped with a highly efficient independent hydropneumatic variable-clearance suspension. Given the roles for which this vehicle is designed, its ability to press its belly to the ground or the landing platform is hard to overestimate.

    Experts believe that the 2S25M self-propelled anti-tank cannon is the world’s only modern light tank. The need for such vehicles will continue to grow in the foreseeable future, especially considering the cost of upgraded third-generation main battle tanks.

    The family of amphibious fighting vehicles developed by SKBM and Kurganmashzavod offer excellent protection, maneuverability, and firepower; they are also very sensibly priced. There is no doubt that the BT-3F, the BMP-3F, and the 2S25M will be a great success in this category of the global arms market, in which Russia has long enjoyed a strong presence.

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