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    Post  a89 on Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:16 pm

    This information was posted today on A. Khlopotov blog. Maybe it could be the standard for BMD-2 overhaul/modernization.

    http://gurkhan.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/blog-post_3059.html
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:51 pm

    It certainly could be.

    In essence the real improvements are in the electronics... the all weather day/night sensors, the new targeting and ballistics computers, and of course the new communications/command systems.

    These things will allow them to train at night and in bad weather, and be a fully integrated part of the net centric team without the enormous initial expense of having to get rid of the existing BMD-1s and buy all new BMD-4s.

    Of course there are some situations and roles where a BMD-4 is ideal and they are buying BMD-4s too.

    Pretty soon the new vehicle families will be coming into service and each family will have standardised electronic suites for each role, which will include suitable sensors and weapons and electronics that will be standardised throughout the vehicle families. This means that the Armata MBT will have similar sensors and electronics as the 10 ton boomerang, though likely the armament might be different on the much lighter vehicle they will both perform the same role in different situations and therefore will have similar sensors and equipment.

    The Armata MBT will be slogging it out in difficult places against very well equipped enemies, so a 125mm gun is needed, but for the light mobile brigades where the enemy wont be that well equipped the Boomerang-10 could probably be armed with the high velocity 57mm gun that Armata IFVs would be armed with that could deal with most land an air targets the Boomerang-10 might come across and perhaps a battery of 8 Kornet-EM missiles on the turret in case the enemy does get an armoured unit together, or to hit point targets at very long ranges... including enemy helicopters.

    The point I am trying to make is that these electronics suites will take a little time to perfect and get right, but they will be just as suitable to VDV armoured vehicles and Naval Infantry vehicles as Army vehicles. Tank commanders will still want good all weather long range day and night vision and a good powerful gun that can take on anything they might come up against.

    The VDV might be able to get away with a mix of Boomerang-10 for air dropping, and Boomerang-25 that are landed at improvised strips.

    The biggest threat to an air landing is enemy air defences and the obvious solution to that threat is to make your landed troops fully mechanised and highly mobile so you can land them hundreds of kms from the target area where the enemy forces are weak or nonexistent and then drive them to their target... which might be an airfield that has fantastic air defences but only a small ground force protecting it. The air defences would be useless against a VDV ground assault and when captured the airfield can be used to land heavier vehicles including Armata based if needed.
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    Post  steve501 on Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:03 pm

    Hi all
    Can anyone confirm the crew/troop capacity of the BMD 2 I have read a few different numbers :
    4 crew and 4 troopers - total 6 dismounted section
    2 crew and 5 troopers - total 5 dismounted section
    Thanks steve
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:07 am

    steve501 wrote:Hi all
    Can anyone confirm the crew/troop capacity of the BMD 2 I have read a few different numbers :
    4 crew and 4 troopers - total 6 dismounted section
    2 crew and 5 troopers - total 5 dismounted section
    Thanks steve

    Hopefully the person who answers this question would not base his/her answer on computer games and run-of-the-mill web sites. Some substantiation would be nice.

    I have always used the second figure, even when during the time that it was fashionable to claim the 2+6 figure based on the parade setups.
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    Post  Alex555 on Wed Dec 03, 2014 4:53 pm

    steve501 wrote:Hi all
    Can anyone confirm the crew/troop capacity of the BMD 2 I have read a few different numbers :
    4 crew and 4 troopers - total 6 dismounted section
    2 crew and 5 troopers - total 5 dismounted section
    Thanks steve

    Hi.
    In BMD-1 2 crew and 5 troopers.

    In BMD-2 3 crew and 4 troopers.

    Экипаж машины состоит из семи человек: командира, механика-водителя, наводчика-оператора и четырех стрелков... В отделении управления размещены сиденья командира (у левого борта), механика-водителя (в центре) и стрелка-пулеметчика (у правого борта).
    Google translate:
    The crew consists of seven members: the commander, driver, gunner-operator and four shooters ... In the department of administration placed the commander's seat (at the left side), mechanic driver (center), and shooter-machinegunner (at the right side).
    It's a quote from magazine "Armored Collection: BMD" (Бронеколлекция: Боевые Машины Десанта)
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    Post  steve501 on Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:31 pm

    Alex
    I believe the commander also dismounts with the troops. I am trying to figure out the size of the platoon which if correct is :
    3 x BMD 2 (6 crew and 15 dismounted troops) any thoughts
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    Post  George1 on Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:56 pm

    Russian BMD-2 for the first time landed in Africa in the framework of the exercises with Egypt
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    Post  Cplnew83 on Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:05 pm

    Bonjour à tous,
    Hi all,
    I was wondering what's the device fitted on that BMD-2 (in place of the left driving light) ? A radio beacon to locate an airdropped vehicle ?

    Thanks in advance.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:44 pm

    Cplnew83 wrote:Bonjour à tous,
    Hi all,
    I was wondering what's the device fitted on that BMD-2 (in place of the left driving light) ? A radio beacon to locate an airdropped vehicle ?

    Thanks in advance.

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    Looks comparable in size to Komar2 RB, but not sure.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:59 pm

    When you zoom out on the picture you can read R-158(?) (which is a portable radio) but that doesn't look exactly like that.


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    Post  Cplnew83 on Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:24 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:When you zoom out on the picture you can read R-158(?) (which is a portable radio) but that doesn't look exactly like that.

    The device is upside down (IMO), must be something like XX-Б (B).
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:43 pm

    Cplnew83 wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:When you zoom out on the picture you can read R-158(?) (which is a portable radio) but that doesn't look exactly like that.

    The device is upside down (IMO), must be something like XX-Б (B).

    I don't believe it is upside down as the Kulikov-style antenna emplacement is similar to the R-series in question, the mount of the antenna. It's actually not a 5 but a 6, that is the R-168(MP) radio marker dropped with the commanding BMD-2 of any given platoon.


    http://eng.sozvezdie.su/catalog/r168mp_marker_transmitter/

    Also Vitaly has actually answered to that question in its own photo-essay while he was covering a 137th GAR/106th GAD tactical exercise. It just didn't occur me to look for the actual author of the pictures.

    http://www.vitalykuzmin.net/Military/137th-Guards-Airborne-Regiment/i-C32ckVL

    Case closed.

    Une bonne journée Ron.




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    Post  Cplnew83 on Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:03 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    I don't believe it is upside down as the Kulikov-style antenna emplacement is similar to the R-series in question, the mount of the antenna. It's actually not a 5 but a 6, that is the R-168(MP) radio marker dropped with the commanding BMD-2 of any given platoon.


    http://eng.sozvezdie.su/catalog/r168mp_marker_transmitter/

    Also Vitaly has actually answered to that question in its own photo-essay while he was covering a 137th GAR/106th GAD tactical exercise. It just didn't occur me to look for the actual author of the pictures.

    http://www.vitalykuzmin.net/Military/137th-Guards-Airborne-Regiment/i-C32ckVL
    That's what I call a good answer ... Thanks a bunch for the search and the effort.
    The receiver to locate the vehicle is the R-168PP

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    Case closed.
    Indeed

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    Une bonne journée Ron.
    Have a nice day, too.
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    Post  franco on Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:30 pm

    Interesting look at the BMD-1/2 combat experience in the Donbass conflict.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2389417.html
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:50 pm

    franco wrote:Interesting look at the BMD-1/2 combat experience in the Donbass conflict.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2389417.html

    More interesting is the fact Ukraine had no means to sustain these machines in a lengthy conflict...WTF.
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    Post  franco on Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:40 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    franco wrote:Interesting look at the BMD-1/2 combat experience in the Donbass conflict.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2389417.html

    More interesting is the fact Ukraine had no means to sustain these machines in a lengthy conflict...WTF.

    Good welders are so hard to find angry
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:49 pm

    franco wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    franco wrote:Interesting look at the BMD-1/2 combat experience in the Donbass conflict.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2389417.html

    More interesting is the fact Ukraine had no means to sustain these machines in a lengthy conflict...WTF.

    Good welders are so hard to find angry

    Ahahahahah. clown

    No but seriously, from ORBAT they had +/- 250 machines anyway. That means at least twice the spare parts for the vehicles in any case. As per military regulation.

    I get that the engines were hard to source or re-produce. But the rest?

    Furthermore they say the machines were terribly under-armored. Yeah that's why they were VDV in the first place. Weight constraints.

    While the vehicles are definitely irrelevant for most part in this era of warfare, they remain a threat when used properly and a good way not to walk. Ukrainian lack of professionalism does the rest.
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    Post  franco on Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:53 pm

    It is planned to upgrade about 600 BMD-2 airborne combat vehicles.

    As the Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported on December 12, 2018, the Airborne Forces (Airborne Forces) plan to begin a deep modernization of about 600 BMD-2 airborne combat vehicles, including new weapons, digital reconnaissance and control equipment. The beginning of active measures to modernize the BMD-2 to the level of BMD-2K-AU and BMD-2M is planned for 2021.

    Modernized assault vehicles will be equipped not only with modern weapons, including a new anti-tank missile system, a modern digital reconnaissance, control and communications complex, an integrated automated control system at the tactical level, but also automatic target tracking for shooting various types of weapons during the day and night, on the move and afloat.

    Combat vehicles that have undergone a deep modernization will remain airborne and will perform tasks as part of the paratrooper airborne units. BMD-2 has long established itself from the best side, paratroopers consider it resilient, highly passable and undemanding in the service of a combat vehicle. The combat vehicle has a 30 mm automatic 2A42 gun, two 7.62 mm machine guns and anti-tank weapons.

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