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    GarryB

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    Re: Arms sales to Pakistan and India. Balance and Implications

    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:48 am

    One of the problems for India will be that the Su-35 is designed to hunt stealth fighters like F-22 and F-35 so it might be effective in hunting the new stealth fighter India is developing with Russia.

    Of course even if Russia sells Su-35s to Pakistan it will likely have mostly Su-30MKK components at best.

    The politics of selling the Su-35 to countries is an important aspect that can be discussed here.... just keep in mind this is a thread about the Su-35, not about Indias problems with Russia or Pakistan.

    Personally I am comfortable with Russia selling Hinds to Pakistan but not Su-35s.

    I don't think Pakistan needs or should be spending money on such expensive aircraft... it should be getting its house in order and sorting its sht out before spending large on defence.
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    Moscow is in talks with with Islamabad about selling an unknown number of Su-35 fighters to Pakistan

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:07 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Personally I am comfortable with Russia selling Hinds to Pakistan but not Su-35s.

    I don't think Pakistan needs or should be spending money on such expensive aircraft... it should be getting its house in order and sorting its sht out before spending large on defence.

    let them but dozens of Yak-135 light fighter price ration to Su-35s - 1:
    4 Smile
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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:04 pm

    Good old Paks, still trying to drive a wedge between Russia and India Smile
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    Post  Pinto on Sat Nov 14, 2015 9:12 am

    flamming_python wrote:Good old Paks, still trying to drive a wedge between Russia and India Smile

    there excellence lies in negative roles they play splendidly, be it blocking access to Afghanistan for NATO or helping talibans there. After unable to get desired weapons from US they are turning to Russia via China route. Engines of JF17 is prime examples of this and rumors of su 35 is another instance. how they are trying to change there tactics after there active role in Afghans during soviet times by helping US in all ways possible

    But India-Russia relations have gone way too far in every field that it will be impossible to create wedge between them with deals worth around $50 B in pipelines. India in conventional weapons has gone way too far for them now to catch up. With Indian economy expected to grow 8% this year more stuck deals with critical weapons from Russia will be finalized now

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    Re: Arms sales to Pakistan and India. Balance and Implications

    Post  ebrahym on Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:43 am

    Hannibal Barca wrote:Pakistan is also India. This retards should stop this nonsense.
    not at all UK has both Indians and Pakish populations and anyone their can spot a difference between them

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    Post  ebrahym on Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:55 am

    I dont know what russians are thinking about the indians but watching current scenario Indians dealing with amrikans special cell for india in pentagon ... there is one thing for sure India is going to be the next sweetest piece american apple pie regarding their fears for china and not to mention india is now the only hope for western economy .... russian interest in south asia has definately shifted all pak is trying is to gain a bit
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    Arms sales to Pakistan and India. Balance and Implications

    Post  GarryB on Thu Feb 11, 2016 9:52 am

    I think experience with warming relations with Turkey should be a good learning thing for Russia... by all means improve relations with former opponents but keep in mind that relations can sour overnight and you don't want to have too many important ties to them if things go badly... and both countries recent history can mean things going badly easily.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:24 pm

    So Ukraine and Pakistan signed an agreement for $800M USD to service and upgrade Pakistan armored vehicles/tanks and Ukraine also sells Antonovs to India.  But for some reason, I do not see a lot coming from Indians or Indian media complaining about such a deal.  But if Russia tries to sell to Pakistan equipment, Indians and Indian media gets mad.  I sense a terrible case of hypocrisy from Indians and Media alike.  I know Indians are not the brightest of people in the world with you know, designated poo streets and all.  But even the most uneducated and stupid Indian should be able to tell how hypocritical their people, media and military are.  But then again, I do not put such people in high regards for obvious reason.
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    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:25 am

    miketheterrible wrote:I know Indians are not the brightest of people in the world with you know, designated poo streets and all.

    Casual racism much? angry
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:10 am

    I know Indians are not the brightest of people in the world with you know, designated poo streets and all.

    Smart enough to get helpdesk jobs with most western countries biggest companies... so when the dumb general public ring any western company for help they end up speaking to these so called not so bright people for advice... interesting...

    Be very careful what you say... I don't care what you think but some of the people I like the most on this forum happen to be Indian...

    Hope we are clear.
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    Post  jhelb on Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:40 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:But for some reason, I do not see a lot coming from Indians or Indian media complaining about such a deal.  But if Russia tries to sell to Pakistan equipment, Indians and Indian media gets mad.  I sense a terrible case of hypocrisy from Indians and Media alike.  

    I suspect Indians don't have problem with Ukraine selling arms to their arch enemy Pakistan is because Ukraine can only sell obsolete Soviet era weapon.However, Russia can sell cutting edge weapons to Pakistan. That's where rubber hits the road.

    Russia should sell weapons to Pakistan provided they do not ask for any subsidy something that they ask & receive from US and China.


    GarryB wrote:
    Smart enough to get helpdesk jobs with most western countries biggest companies... so when the dumb general public ring any western company for help they end up speaking to these so called not so bright people for advice... interesting...

    Most English speaking individuals especially in US, UK and Canada actually prefer locals at helpdesk jobs coz Indians have a totally different,thick accent that is difficult to understand.

    GarryB wrote:.... but some of the people I like the most on this forum happen to be Indian...

    Ofc you are here in this forum for a long time but the only guy from India who I see make some useful contribution in this forum is Austin.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:42 pm

    Austin is good in my books. But he is obviously from coastal area of India near Mumbai or south. If Austin is his name, then I assume he is Christian.

    Indian media is heavily owned by westerners and give obviously a huge bias in the media. But various officials are also useful idiots for the western governments and this is where problems are created for Russia.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 25, 2016 5:40 am

    Most English speaking individuals especially in US, UK and Canada actually prefer locals at helpdesk jobs coz Indians have a totally different,thick accent that is difficult to understand.

    Indeed they do but many large western companies still outsource their helpdesks to foreign countries with India being one of the most common.

    Ofc you are here in this forum for a long time but the only guy from India who I see make some useful contribution in this forum is Austin.

    Austin is one, Sujoy is another though he has not been active for a while. Pinto is another chap who contributes too.

    Austin is good in my books. But he is obviously from coastal area of India near Mumbai or south. If Austin is his name, then I assume he is Christian.

    Ahhh, so to be clear when you said all Indians are thick you were not meaning Native Americans, but non coastal non christian people from the second most populous country on the planet... just one billion or so?

    Well I can understand... half of voting age Americans that actually managed to vote voted for Clinton... nuff said.

    Everyone who disagrees with me is stupid as well... Razz

    Indian media is heavily owned by westerners and give obviously a huge bias in the media. But various officials are also useful idiots for the western governments and this is where problems are created for Russia.

    Yeah... so what you are saying is that the Media in India... is pretty much the same as the media in the US, or UK, or Australia, or New Zealand... or pretty much any where else in the western world and quite a few other places besides... thanks for sharing that new information. Razz
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    Re: Arms sales to Pakistan and India. Balance and Implications

    Post  Pinto on Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:56 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:So Ukraine and Pakistan signed an agreement for $800M USD to service and upgrade Pakistan armored vehicles/tanks and Ukraine also sells Antonovs to India.  But for some reason, I do not see a lot coming from Indians or Indian media complaining about such a deal.  But if Russia tries to sell to Pakistan equipment, Indians and Indian media gets mad.  I sense a terrible case of hypocrisy from Indians and Media alike.  I know Indians are not the brightest of people in the world with you know, designated poo streets and all.  But even the most uneducated and stupid Indian should be able to tell how hypocritical their people, media and military are.  But then again, I do not put such people in high regards for obvious reason.

    well very unfortunate and racist comments. i don't know you from Russia or which country but its hurting to see such comments in public forums.
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    So Ukraine and Pakistan signed an agreement for $800M USD

    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:28 pm

    Pinto wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:So Ukraine and Pakistan signed an agreement for $800M USD to service and upgrade Pakistan armored vehicles/tanks and Ukraine also sells Antonovs to India.  But for some reason, I do not see a lot coming from Indians or Indian media complaining about such a deal.  But if Russia tries to sell to Pakistan equipment, Indians and Indian media gets mad.  I sense a terrible case of hypocrisy from Indians and Media alike.  I know Indians are not the brightest of people in the world with you know, designated poo streets and all.  But even the most uneducated and stupid Indian should be able to tell how hypocritical their people, media and military are.  But then again, I do not put such people in high regards for obvious reason.

    well very unfortunate and racist comments. i don't know you from Russia or which country but its hurting to see such comments in public forums.

    sorry, but your people, politicians and media show themselves for what they are. And only makes India a growing laughing stock in the eyes of China and Russia when it comes to these such cases. Makes Russians even become quite hateful towards Indians for their inherited back stabbing policies.  I know a few who think they should have had let US had their way with India in the 70'S.

    Personally, I don't care too much. It isn't like my country of Canada is any better. We have an idiot in power that's only experience before was a drama teacher and his dad was a loser who's wife couldn't stop getting the pork from musicians.  So I don't blame anyone who has an outright racist viewpoint of Canadians. I know I do of towards my own. But that is because I'm not uber patriot like many of you who like getting screwed by their own and made to look stupid in the eyes of the world, all the while defending it or ignoring the hypocrisy.

    Maybe you should try to say something or do something. But then again, you might just end up in jail or something cause of crooked cops. But hey, I don't have bad opinion on all Indians. I know my fare share who left due to problems back home and refuse to go back. I also talk regularly to the ones who work 6 out of the 7 days a week in tech support who admit being treated like slaves. I give them my sympathy and tell them things are getting worst in Canada so they don't feel so bad.

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